Couple battles Ottawa to rescue and adopt abused boys

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It's not easy. While on vacation I met three couples from Italy who had gone through a two year program to prepare them for adopting a child. When called by SD they meet the child once a week at first and now they have to live in the DR for 4 months with the child before Italy will issue the child a passport. So between the DR and ones' own country laws it certainly doesn't make adoption easy.
 
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I will be the cold heartless SOB and agree with Imigration Canada. Why on earth should the tax payers of Canada be on the hook for education and health care costs for these kids. I seriously doubt that the couple who wants to "adopt" these 4 people has the ability to pay for all the necessities they will require until they can be self sufficient citizens. Not to mention the liklihood of all the kinship adoptions that will come with this.
The country whose slogan is bring your poor, tired, helpless blah blah is to the south of Canada. Never thought I would here myself say it but god bless Imigration Canada.
 
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These types of situations are tough. As far as I know adoptions must be done in the country of origin to be recognized abroad and in the DR they're very specific on the requirements. Also, applying for a visitor's visa is trying to deliberately mislead Immigration Canada since the main point they always stress is you have to show you have a reason to come back which is not their case. It's a sad case and their heart's in the right place but can you imagine how many people would try the same thing to get family members out of the country? Also, I see no mention of them reporting the family to CONANI. That should have been their first step. CONANI is limited in resources but I've heard of cases where they've been of great help.

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melphis said:
I will be the cold heartless SOB and agree with Imigration Canada. Why on earth should the tax payers of Canada be on the hook for education and health care costs for these kids. I seriously doubt that the couple who wants to "adopt" these 4 people has the ability to pay for all the necessities they will require until they can be self sufficient citizens. Not to mention the liklihood of all the kinship adoptions that will come with this.
The country whose slogan is bring your poor, tired, helpless blah blah is to the south of Canada. Never thought I would here myself say it but god bless Imigration Canada.
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The immigrants in Canada that abused the system are usually from Arabic countries or India/Pakistan not the DR. As a Children Aid worker she makes a good wage and between them they can support four boys. Canada per capita allows more immigration than the USA and has a policy of letting in many refugees and those that have suffered abuse in other countries.
I have no issues with Immigration Canada being strong but they should judge each case by the merits of each case.
 
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melphis said:
I will be the cold heartless SOB and agree with Imigration Canada. Why on earth should the tax payers of Canada be on the hook for education and health care costs for these kids. I seriously doubt that the couple who wants to "adopt" these 4 people has the ability to pay for all the necessities they will require until they can be self sufficient citizens. Not to mention the liklihood of all the kinship adoptions that will come with this.
The country whose slogan is bring your poor, tired, helpless blah blah is to the south of Canada. Never thought I would here myself say it but god bless Imigration Canada.
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Becase they are humans? Because they are needy helpless children? Becuase people need to help one another? Hell, I would even give Gorgon a sandwich if he was starving :p
 
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I think most people would like to help or at the very least ensure that these children get a fair shake. Isn't this an issue for the DR to solve? If the couple were able to complete the adoption in the DR, then Canada would have no grounds upon which to deny entry into Canada.

When kids are taken from their home without permission or official sanction, even if they are not wanted at home, that's kidnapping. Then taking them to another country adds an international complexity that I am sure no one wants, especially the Govt. of Canada. Can you imagine the outcry if at some future date a court or intl tribunal somewhere ordered these children back to the DR? It's messy all around until the adoption issue is resolved and the DR has exclusive jurisdiction on that matter.

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As stated it is all in the hands of CONANI. The kids are not legally adopted in the DR. End of story. This is not an isolated situation. Looks like the logical thing to do is wait the 2 years and adopt the 2 youngest. Bring them to Canada and then work on getting the older ones there. Half is better than none.
 
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AnnaC said:
It's not easy. While on vacation I met three couples from Italy who had gone through a two year program to prepare them for adopting a child. When called by SD they meet the child once a week at first and now they have to live in the DR for 4 months with the child before Italy will issue the child a passport. So between the DR and ones' own country laws it certainly doesn't make adoption easy.
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Nope and every day will be more difficult as there are some civil servants involve in child trafficking, right now is legal trial going on in which CONANI city Puerto Plata's director is being accused for selling a child that was given in custody to this institution by his parents,,, Parents was facing a divorce process mean reason for what the baby was admitted in the social program institution.

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Harleysrock,

Although I don't agree with everything rfp wrote, I do agree that something doesn't sound or look right here. I'm trying to be open minded but this story smells. I agree with Canada and I agree with the commenter on the news story, if they feel so bad for the boys and want to make a good life for them then they should move to DR. For God's sake, she's a Children's Aid worker, she can find work easily with one of the gazillion non-profits in DR. They don't have any kids that the move would affect.

I don't know.......it smells to me. Hope the boys find a good home at least but helping children doesn't always mean taking them out of the country.

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I think I am with Shalena on this one.. or at least suspect what Shalena is thinking.. in the photo the bride looks like she is in her forties.. the husband is said to be 28.. and is therefore ineligible to be the adopted father. That would be the case in Canada, or in the DR. Under DR regs, also, they must have been married for five years.

And here we have a couple who has no experience who wants to adopt 4 abused kids?

good call, Canada.
 
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A loving home and growing up in Canada could be quite the positive change that is needed for these kids to become successful members of society!
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I know quite a few of them in need of this, where can I sign them up? Certainly being poor and Dominican has other solutions? There is no excuse for child abuse, but don't we all know kids that we'd like to ship to our home countries to give them a better life?

As Shalena has already said, why does taking them out of the country have to be the solution? If the Dominican was their Dad, it would be a different story, but a cousin? There's not one member of the Dominican family she married into that can take them in?

And it's certainly is a sign of the times, when you don't get what you think you deserve, complain to the press. Human trafficking is an issue that can't be ignored. If adoptions out of the Dominican Republic were made easy, there would be an immediate rise in the trafficking of children. How many foreigners would be offered children tomorrow if there were no restrictions on adoptions?

Certainly the people in the article are caring individuals that tried what they thought was best. Now that this didn't work, may they continue to find a solution for these children.
 
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melphis said:
I will be the cold heartless SOB and agree with Immigration Canada. Why on earth should the tax payers of Canada be on the hook for education and health care costs for these kids. I seriously doubt that the couple who wants to "adopt" these 4 people has the ability to pay for all the necessities they will require until they can be self sufficient citizens. Not to mention the liklihood of all the kinship adoptions that will come with this.
The country whose slogan is bring your poor, tired, helpless blah blah is to the south of Canada. Never thought I would here myself say it but god bless Imigration Canada.
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I live in Toronto, and here we pay two land transfer taxes when buying a home, 1 for Ontario Govt, and the other the "Toronto Land Transfer Tax"... The reason for the Toronto Land Transfer Tax, "Soaring Welfare Roles"...

Now I can emphasize with a Couple trying to provide a better life to the 4 Dom kids, however we don't have anymore money here for that, Ottawa or Toronto

For those that don't know the Province of Ontario in Canada, use to be the Centre of Canada, now it is a "have not province" almost Bankrupt from soaring Indexed Golden plated Pensions paid to 1.5 million Government Civil servants.. Public Unions have Destroyed Ontario like they are doing to the rest of Canada...

Who pays these Public Union BLOATED salaries and Pensions, the Private Citizen, the non unionized Private Sector.... For those contemplating a move to Ontario Canada, think twice, big business has been pulling out, factories are closing and the province has been decimated in scandal from a 10 year reign by the Liberal Govt and over 5 billion in lost tax payers revenue.

Nice to see Immigration Canada finally waking up..
 
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why can't i do something that is illegal and against the law, just based on my do-gooder whim? why oh why?

good for canada. this couple cannot adopt those kids legally in DR, the story ends there. they can still help by sending money and so on. soon the oldest will be old enough to leave home. he could theoretically take the younger kids with him, just based on a verbal agreement, no adoption necessary, have it dominican way. if the parents are willing to give their parental rights they should have no issue getting rid of the kids either way.
 
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I agree with the comment that taking them out of the country is not the only solution and let's be honest this is a ruse to take these kids to Canada (I applaud the guy for actually trying to be good to his family and help his little cousins).

I take issue with those in here who think these kids if taken to Canada are just going to be a "drain" to the rest of Canadians. Why instead don't you think that these are four future taxpayers to support the pension your old @ss is getting which you probably didn't pay enough into. As someone said Canada could use another 100 million people or so to do something with all that empty land.
 
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There are many ways to support and provide for the kids without taking them to Canada. Sometimes taking someone out of their country is not always the answer. I am also guilty..after looking at the couples photo...well you know having thoughts about something doesn't seem right. Lets say the kids did go to Canada and the couple split up...it does happen, then what.
 
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I take issue with those in here who think these kids if taken to Canada are just going to be a "drain" to the rest of Canadians.
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i don't know what's the fuss? after all the gringa and her sankie could easily produce 4 of their own offspring and rely on taxpayers money for the next 18 years (school, healthcare and so on). at least those kids could potentially become workers within few years and begin contributing to the treasury.
 
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Derfish said:
If there are 30 million people in Canada it couldn't cost each one more than one cahadian penny in your whole life time if these 4 were raised totally on welfare. SO yes I'll call you names etc...
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This is what is wrong with the system. I know its only a penny. Then its a nickel, dime dollar etc untill we can't afford what some one else thinks we should do. I hate socialism. If you can't do it 100% on your own please don't volunteer me or my money no matter how small of an amount it is.
 
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It's been interesting reading the responses here. Many are what I expected, some not.

What struck me first when reading it was that this couple has been married for five years and the Dominican spouse is working. Not at all like the doom and gloom result so often predicted on DR1. What did strike me as odd though was that she didn't know of these boys until her wedding day. Oh, and the choice of photo for the article.

As far as the adoption process, having Barbara Jackman representing them is a major credibility boost. I'm pretty sure Jackman has a well honed bullshit detector. If they do manage to bring the boys I do wonder at their ages how well they will adapt, but that part of the province should have lots of support programs that they can make use of.

As far as I know there are no age requirements to adopt in Canada, other than being over 18, unlike the rules in RD. To bring only the 2 youngest would be more damaging to the 2 older boys so I don't think that is a wise choice.
 
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