This cartoon sums it up really nice. Dumping the issue in DR's lap without any support.
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How The World Sees The Haiti/DR Issue
"Mister "Medina",.......TEAR DOWN THAT WALL"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think for a lot of americans it is where is the dominican republic? Oh the speak spanish ? Oh it is on the same Island as Haiti ? Of course most of them do not Haiti is a very poor country and recently had a major earthquake. Other then that maybe they came to the Dominican Republic and stayed in an All Inclusive the whole time.
The title was how the world sees the Haiti / Dr issue. I was giving some examples of what I have heard some Americans say about the Dominican Republic. One question I heard was where is the Dominican Republic? Another question was they speak spanish in the Dominican Republic. Another question was Haiti and the Dominican Republic are part of the same Island.
Most Americans have heard of Haiti but the mostly know it is a very poor country and that they had a major earthquake in Haiti not too long ago. A lot of Americans if they have visited the Dominican Republic they stayed inside an All Inclusive Resort the entire time. Some people go to Mexico, Jamaica, Dominican Republic but only stay in the All Inclusive resorts.
My point was that a lot people don't know anything about the Haiti / DR issue. They know the Dominican Republic as a place to maybe vacation and Haiti as a poor country. People who follow baseball know about all the players that come from the Dominican Republic.
Most Americans have heard of Haiti but the mostly know it is a very poor country and that they had a major earthquake in Haiti not too long ago. A lot of Americans if they have visited the Dominican Republic they stayed inside an All Inclusive Resort the entire time. Some people go to Mexico, Jamaica, Dominican Republic but only stay in the All Inclusive resorts.
My point was that a lot people don't know anything about the Haiti / DR issue. They know the Dominican Republic as a place to maybe vacation and Haiti as a poor country. People who follow baseball know about all the players that come from the Dominican Republic.
You are right. Americans know the DR for tourism and baseball but that is primarily it. They do not give a rats ass about the immigration problem in the DR. The US has it's own set of problems. Most do know that Haiti is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere and that it has been a problem child for decades. Those in the region think the DR is making it difficult for those Haitians who came to the DR illegally to remain here and they probably are right. The DR passed and is enforcing these new immigration statutes because they know it will be very diffucult for most Haitians to obtain the proper documents from their home country. First, they would have to cross back into Haiti without documentation to try to obtain Haitian documentation to return to the DR. This is a catch 22. Secondly, Haiti is not set up to issue these documents and want to charge their citizens for any paper work given. Third, the DR is requiring illegals to supply them with proof of citizenship and then and only then will issue them a temporary documents which is good for a year. They will then need to complete the residency process like any foreigner and it will be expensive. So, in conclusion many Haitians will probably be forced to return to their country of origin or live in the DR illegally and face possilbe deportation at any time. The DR will wipe it's hands of most of the problem and say have a nice day and don't let the border gate hit you in the ass on your way out. Will this solve the DR v Haiti immigration problem? Only if the DR has strict enforcement and in this case I think they will.
Back when the DR post office really worked (1980-85) I would receive letters,usually from US Government sources, the best and the brightest (right?), which came through Haiti addressed:
Box 620
Puerto Plata
Dominican Republic
HAITI
That pretty much sums up the U.S. botellas' non-view of the DR. Hasn't changed much, has it?
Box 620
Puerto Plata
Dominican Republic
HAITI
That pretty much sums up the U.S. botellas' non-view of the DR. Hasn't changed much, has it?
Your wrong Steve, the process has been made extremely easy for Haitians to penetrate DR, write their name on toilet paper if they wish and say that they have been living here and now want to regularize their status. This is a virtual FUSION of both sides.
Also there will be no deportations for a year of anybody. WTF? The international community has forced the DR to do all this while the USA does as it wishes. Hypocritical country or government rather.
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It's now become fashionable to blame the U.S. for all the ills in both of our nations, specially now, in the case of the Haiti/DR
conundrum. You keep hearing the USAID dominican office as the culprit of the so-called "fusion" maneuvers.
Frankly, Obama, the State Department and the american people give a rat's ass about the haitian imigration problem, and
even less care about DR that much, except in the drug wars and keeping the island safe from socialists and islamic radicals.
The Dominican left is as good in anti-US propaganda as Hamas is lambasting Israel.
They have cornered the market in trying to use USA as a scapegoat because of their hate USA 60's mentality. But the
Dominican left, however noisy and effective convincing us that America is to blame, it is as popular as at best 1% of the
electoral vote. They are represented in all areas of politics, parties, government and society, yet as an electoral power they are
A poor copy of a franchise.
Political and government leaders usually quote leftist propaganda just to be "in". President Mejia went to the extend of appointing the laughingstock of all left politicians, Miguel Mejia, a well known communist, FARC member and pro-AlQaeda clown as ambassador-at-large(without portfolio or country embassy).
He's a member of MIUCA, a pro-Chavez/Castro mini political party with at best 200 members and even less voters.
Medina allows Mejia to openly speak in favor of Cuba and anti-US chants.
Blaming the US for the Haiti immigration fiasco is as true as blaming it for Greenland's lack of cactus flowers.
To make matters worst, Bill Clinton's activities in Haiti, mostly decorative and as good will ambassador or retired president syndrome are seen as official U.S. policy. The Kennedy family, foundations and NGO's, mostly pro-Haiti, are also erroneously seen as official.
My conclusion is that there is not one inch of evidence of a US/UE/Britain fusion policy, plan or conspiracy.
I believe that a fusion of HaitI/DR(an utopia) is not in the best interest, strategic or
geo-political wise to the United States. A fusioned island would become a chaos, a weakend nation ripe for a socialist takeover, and possibly an islamic trap.
It's obvious that Cuba's support and Venezuela's open biased towards Haiti is much more conclusive evidence of a fusion conspiracy, but not a western power plan.
Commies? Islamic Terrorists?
GTFOOH with that booshee!
There will be no "fusion", nobody sane has even come up with such an idea and the Haitians sure don't want to have to go to Santo Domingo to pick up their cut of the foreign aid they're squirreling away in Swiss bank accounts.
As if Cuba and Venezuela have $0.10 worth of influence outside their own borders....laughable...they only have $0.13 worth of influence within their own borders. Stop looking for boogeymen. Chupacabra ate them.
GTFOOH with that booshee!
There will be no "fusion", nobody sane has even come up with such an idea and the Haitians sure don't want to have to go to Santo Domingo to pick up their cut of the foreign aid they're squirreling away in Swiss bank accounts.
As if Cuba and Venezuela have $0.10 worth of influence outside their own borders....laughable...they only have $0.13 worth of influence within their own borders. Stop looking for boogeymen. Chupacabra ate them.
The rest of the word sees the issue as " let the savages deal with each other, as long as we make all that sweet, sweet money ".
The Haitian elite sees money. They want aid to line their pockets. And they get it for every little problem they can produce, deforestation, no drinking water, transit, elections, etc.
The Dominican elite sees money. They want aid and loans paid for by the poor to line their pockets. And they get it for every little problem they can produce, narcotics and human trafficking, telecommunications, crumbling public infrastructure , etc . Loans from the world bank, Cheap, CHEAP labor are all par for the course.
The world will only care to make signifigant change when profit models change.
The Haitian elite sees money. They want aid to line their pockets. And they get it for every little problem they can produce, deforestation, no drinking water, transit, elections, etc.
The Dominican elite sees money. They want aid and loans paid for by the poor to line their pockets. And they get it for every little problem they can produce, narcotics and human trafficking, telecommunications, crumbling public infrastructure , etc . Loans from the world bank, Cheap, CHEAP labor are all par for the course.
The world will only care to make signifigant change when profit models change.
...and we know that will never happen short of the entire system collapsing because those with the influence to champion the change are the very ones reaping the rewards.
Power concedes nothing without demand.
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