Questions about Teaching in DR

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Shecky

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A friend of mine in the DR has suggested I teach there (more specifically Santo Domingo). I currently live in the states and am entertaining the idea. I have a master's degree in teaching with a background in social studies and special education. I wanted to get a feel of what I might expect; such as salary, differences in customs (discipline, procedure, expectations, rigor), and anything else an America thinking about teaching in the DR might want to consider. Thanks.
 

tink23

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Salaries vary widely. If you want something somewhat equivalent, then you have very few options. Carol Morgan school in Santo Domingo is your best bet, but there may be a waiting list. Google it to find out more specifics.
 

tommeyers

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I live in Santiago
While you are looking on the employment/income side of the equation begin to look at the living side too. Costs, housing, transportation, healthcare,, food, ... You will find many discussions about those on DR1. Use them with info. From other sources. It is different to move from the us to Dr than from one us location to another us location; more different than any us to us move you could consider. Not all bad just all different.
 

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Also check with other teachers in the area to see if they are getting paid. In some areas paychecks are six months behind or more. It seems paying teachers is not high on the priority list for this government!
 

bob saunders

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Also check with other teachers in the area to see if they are getting paid. In some areas paychecks are six months behind or more. It seems paying teachers is not high on the priority list for this government!

I don't that's accurate because if it was you would have protests and strike actions ( teachers are fairly militant) and you have neither action taking place. Private schools such as the OP would be working at are paid for by the clients ( parents) and not the government.
 
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I suppose that it is unimaginable to you that a private school might pay people late. Private school teachers are rarely any sort of militant.
 

bob saunders

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I suppose that it is unimaginable to you that a private school might pay people late. Private school teachers are rarely any sort of militant.

Please reread Gandolf's statement. He said paying teachers is not high on the priority list for this government. I merely pointed out that the government doesn't pay the salary of teachers in private schools, except some catholic schools. I also was talking about the public school teachers in the DR, who are unionized and are militant. We usually pay three days before the end of the month.
 

philosopher

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Been there.......not so professional, especially owner/director Benarda. Of course, this just my opinion.
 

morganstern

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You can't do much without being here first. And there is very little money in the DR. Period. With your background you can teach English the world over...especially the far east. Your educational background means VERY little in Latin America. It means a lot in the far east. (If I could xxxx like I teach....oh man!)
 

gandolf50

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I don't that's accurate because if it was you would have protests and strike actions ( teachers are fairly militant) and you have neither action taking place. Private schools such as the OP would be working at are paid for by the clients ( parents) and not the government.

It is accurate. It seems that all new or transferred teachers in the vicinity of Restauracion (out back campo area) have not been paid. These are public schools, not private. It seems there are 43 teachers involved. I also thought this was strange as there is a teachers union etc. that is supposedly involved. For all one knows this is happening in other areas too.
 

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I'm going to try this on the Dragon 12 program from Nuance.

Your best bet as you have already been advised is to be a foreign – hire. And for that you need to go to some of those job fairs that are put on by major recruiting entities.

We used to have a wonderful poster here from Oklahoma who worked at Carol Morgan for a while and she gave really good information about foreign hiring of teachers.

There is no doubt that Carol Morgan is at the top of the list together with Abraham Lincoln school in La Romana; then come some of the bilingual schools but you have to be careful and pick and choose

While it is nice to live in paradise it can be very costly for newcomers, especially in Santo Domingo which is somewhat akin to Br'er Rabbit's Briarpatch.

Cordially from the one armed curmudgeon in Santiago,

Luis
 

gandolf50

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Breaking News!! Jaja! My brother in law and his 42 fellow teachers finally got paid last week after a 6 month delay!! The most amazing part of this was during the delay he never asked me for a loan.....
 
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Hello Shecky,

As a current teacher in DR in the Santiago region, I can only speak about the experience I have "suffered" so far. I say suffered, because I walked into this position with my eyes half closed because I had such high expectations and now I am having my confidence as an educated professional beat down very hard.

*I will prefer not to mention any names, but I can tell you this: if the schools in the capital are anything like this one (and it's a private school), you will very quickly find yourself EXTREMELY frustrated with the administration and possibly students with parents with teachers who you will work with. Already I am strongly considering leaving because of all the issues I've been unfortunate to encounter while there so far. I am really disheartened to say that after an incident that occurred today, I already accept that my short-teaching career may end unexpectedly sooner.

1) I would like to save you any grief right now so you don't find out the hard way, if that is the case. I quickly found out that when I'm told something by one person, in the administrative manner, then it is quickly shot down by another. Ex: I was told that we were free to change the criteria for grading students and so I did, because in the states, we do not grade on absences or behavior directly. However, my grading policy has come under fire and I have been told that it is "not the correct way" At this time, I have been waiting over 2 weeks for SOME kind of clarification from the main director but it has not come. I really want to know if it's a Dominican Republic country policy to grade the students ALL the same way, but nobody has been able to verify this. I'm almost about ready to call the Ministry of Education to ask. I tried my very best to grade the students in the most objective way I was able, but still I am receiving backlash due to disagreements among administration. I did not set out to fail the students at all. I very much want them to learn. But as you know, there will ALWAYS be students who are simply unmotivated to do any of the work, no matter how much you encourage them. There is nothing I can do when a student simply does not do ANYTHING in the class, or outside it.
**Direct parental communication is discouraged because you have to proceed through the proper channels of reporting and even if there is a meeting that is set up, you might not even have the opportunity to know or personally meet with the parents.

2) In the school I work with, there is an extreme undertone of "Let's all coddle the students so no one gets their feelings hurt". I try to remain as objective as possible, but when you are told that "Your students need to pass your class", with an open-hanging threat, then you are supposed to make sure they pass. I refuse to boost their grades falsely, so to make myself feel better, I give them what I call "floating" grades, things like, "10 points if you can show my notes in class right now" or "I'll give an extra credit point or 2 for participation if you all work really hard in the class". I hate doing this because it is in NO way truly reflecting their work effort.
*I am also not sure if this is a country-wide policy, but in my school, NO student was allowed to "fail" the first marking period. Even though I had a small number of students fail, I had to still give them a passing grade, as mandated by the head administrator. I tried to encourage all students to complete the homework as well as study for the quizzes, but I can't help them if they simply don't do the work. I even gave all students my email (which isn't really done here) so they could contact me at home after school. I give my lunch hour to sit outside for students who have questions, unlike most of the teachers who keep that hour for themselves. I try to have unofficial conferences there as well. I can't do much more than that.

3) I haven't really used the textbooks much because A, there are NOT NEARLY enough of them and I have been told especially this school year that they are still waiting on the books to arrive. This school year, it has been almost 2 months since they have told me this. I can very easily order used textbooks from Amazon and have them shipped in for cheap, but that's a no go for now. I have students who, if I assign homework or a quiz, I have to give alternative assignments for constantly because they don't have any textbook to work from.
If I give pop-quizzes and quizzes in general, the students complain to the administration because "They weren't aware that they had to study". Well, for one, I give a pop-quiz if I suspect students aren't reading the assign homework material, and two, to do a quick check to see if they are understanding what I went over in class. I have actually heard this direct statement from a student, "It's not fair that we have to take our textbooks home, why do we always have to study if you aren't giving a quiz?"

4) When I had major incidents with classroom management with a couple students, I hate sending them out of the classroom unless it's absolutely necessary. I have however, have had to do this several times. I made sure to write up the proper report, but nothing has really been done. I have been told over and over "It's the teacher's responsibility to manage the classroom first and foremost". Yes, I understand that, but when a student blatantly disrespects me and calls me a racist, not once, not twice, but several times, and disrupts the class because of it, then I have no choice because I cannot allow the other students to see that he or she is going to treat me in this respect AND get away with it. I still wrote up the proper reports, but nothing has been done to reprimand the student. Mind you, I work with older students, so this is should definitely be taken care of right away.

I apparently have not been able to "adapt" to the Dominican way of education. I was educated to teach in the U.S. and therefore, to my understanding, WILL NOT teach in the same manner as Dominican teachers because we have not received the same education. I will use what I have learned and practiced teaching from techniques in the U.S. It was my understanding that if I was hired mainly because "I am an educated teaching professional from the U.S." then I of course would teach as if I were in the states. I gave a project in the first marking period, and I would say about 90% of the students plagiarized half to almost the entire project. So I graded them accordingly and gave them a strong lecture about how I will not let this fly in my classroom EVER. In retrospect, this has reflected badly on me. I gave my reasons for each student grade, and had I expected that they would have done this in the first place, I would have planned for extra time at the end of the marking period so I could assign them an alternative assignment to make up the project grade. That was a major error on my part, because in the U.S., I have never encountered anything like that. I didn't think I would have any reason to worry.

If you do end up taking a position teaching down here, I would strongly suggest you ask the administration outright what are their goals and expectations for their teachers. I also urge you to make sure you get everything in writing (policies, your contract, all rules for the grading policies, absences, etc) so that you have everything on record. Make sure to document each and every little thing, because especially if you have a student who's parent is also a teacher, you can bet your ass that they will be on top of you and how you grade their child all the time. If they don't like what you are doing, then you will most likely receive complaints against you.

Nevertheless, your experience could be completely different. I really hope that it is. I hope that not all private schools are as unprofessional as this one has been in my experience. Don't get me wrong--I would LOVE to stay with this school if I didn't have all these issues happening. I enjoy teaching, and I really enjoy the kids. It's NOT the kids fault in no way that I am saying all this. I am not so much disappointed that I would leave the teaching field forever, because I know that the schools where I live will NEVER treat a teacher like this. I truly felt that I had found a great establishment to work for. I really felt that I was making progress with about 95% of my students.

I am certain that there are much better schools that this one. I am ashamed to say I never looked past their face value when I was first hired and should have asked more in-depth questions. The government says they are trying to overhaul the education so it can be up to par with the U.S., which is great, but when you have administration telling you to be their little puppet because they have to make sure they look good in the eyes of the public, it's not worth it. The stress that I have gone through for this school is something I hope you will never encounter here. It doesn't matter what you think, say, or do. What they say goes and that is final because it's all just a business down here. Good Luck.
 

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dominicanspouse2014 ,

Your story is unfortunately not unique and transcends just teaching in the DR. Frustration is an integral part of many endeavors here. This is truly " a foreign country". People from the first world who come here all starry eyed and filled with the best of intentions very quickly learn that they "are not in Kansas anymore."

It is often impossible to reconcile our logic with the actual practicalities that we encounter after we arrive here. If you aspire to "make a difference", you will find that you will need to redefine what "making a difference means" many times over. It is not impossible to realign your expectations with reality, but it takes time and a willingness to accept that you are a very small fish in a very big sea of other small fish. Seeing past the posterior of the guppy in front of you is often more aggravation than it is worth. Change is slowly embraced, rarely understood and and usually not wanted.

You are butting heads with a culture of intransigence and you will not prevail. It is you who must change or you will give yourself an ulcer.

Thx for sharing.
 
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dominicanspouse2014 ,


If you aspire to "make a difference", you will find that you will need to redefine what "making a difference means" many times over.
. Change is slowly embraced, rarely understood and and usually not wanted.


Thx for sharing.

Some good comments, Cdn_Gringo.

After making many mistakes over the years, I learned that I had to redefine my own aspirations. Only by placing them within the value system of those with whom I work/want to help will my efforts find a degree of success.

It is not for us to impose our values and goals, but for us to help them reach their goals within their own systems of belief and knowledge.

This is a lesson I am taught over and over again. Each time I meet failure in my work and I reflect "why," I realize that I was functioning within my value system, not theirs.

~ Lindsey