Attempted Coup in Haiti

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Joachim

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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) - Armed commandos stormed the National Palace on Monday, taking over radio communications and killing at least two policemen and two passers-by before police recaptured the building, officials said.

President Jean-Bertrand Aristide and his wife were unharmed in their suburban home in Tabarre about three miles from the palace, said National Palace spokesman Jacques Maurice. Aristide did not immediately appear on television or radio, and no statement was issued in his name although government officials said he would make a statement later in the day.

Hundreds of his supporters, wielding machetes, surrounded the palace, shouting, ``We'll never accept another coup d'etat.'' Aristide was first elected president in 1990 and stayed in power only eight months before the army ousted him in a coup that began Sept. 30, 1991. He started his second term in February.

In apparent retribution for the palace attack, Aristide supporters torched the headquarters of the Convergence opposition alliance in the capital as well as the headquarters of the National Congress of Democratic Movements, a socialist party that is a member of Convergence.

Mischa Gaillard, a spokesman for the 15-party Convergence, declined to comment on the palace shooting.

Government officials described the attack as an attempted coup, but by midmorning the police retook the palace and the situation was under control, said Guy Paul, Minister of Culture and Communication.

At least six police officers were wounded in the attack, he said. It wasn't immediately clear what happened to gunmen who authorities said had remained inside the palace for hours. Others had reportedly fled earlier.

Before attacking the national palace, the commandoes in three pickups and a jeep attempted to assault the national penitentiary, Maurice said. When they were rebuffed, they then went on to the palace.

The gunmen lobbed a grenade at the National Palace about 2 a.m. and then began firing as they entered, Paul said. They killed two police officers guarding the palace, Maurice said.

The presidential mansion is protected by hundreds of guards, and it was unclear how the gunmen penetrated the security.

``This is an attempted coup d'etat,'' Maurice said. ``This is not a staged event.''

The attackers stole a National Palace radio system and used it to communicate among themselves, some in Creole and others in English and Spanish, Maurice said.

A pickup truck, apparently carrying some of the gunmen, sped out of the palace in the morning and escaped despite the many barricades erected in the capital, according to national radio. The men in the truck shot and killed two passers-by as they fled, the radio report said.

A government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the attackers identified their leader as the former police chief of northern Cap-Haitien city, Guy Philippe, who fled to the Dominican Republic earlier this year. Philippe's whereabouts weren't immediately clear.

Flaming tire barricades were burning on several corners in downtown Port-au-Prince while cars were diverted away from the palace. Personnel from the U.S. Embassy were told to stay at home.

Since Aristide's Lavalas Family party swept parliamentary and local elections in May 2000, Haiti has been mired in unrest with the main opposition group calling the elections fraudulent and foreign donors refusing to release desperately needed aid until results are revised.

There has also been mounting grass-roots opposition to Aristide within his own party. Protesters have accused Aristide of failing to deliver on promises of basic services such as sanitation and electricity.

Aristide says his mandate has been hampered by lack of aid.

A government communique that aired early Monday on Radio Caraibes called on Haitians to ``block the way, on top and at the bottom'' to anyone who wants to destabilize the government.

Aristide, in a speech to police in June, called for a crackdown on rampant crime, urging ``zero tolerance.''

Human rights group have denounced the slogan, saying some have interpreted it as license to kill thieves and government opponents.

Another fine example of Haitain politics. This will further delay any Dominicans applying for either "Landed Immigrant" status in Canada, or applying for visitor's visas to Canada during the Christmas holidays.

The Canadian government should take action and move the Canadian embassy to Santo Domingo while there is still an embassy left.
 
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Joachim

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Re: Attempted Coup in Haiti Further Comments

Aristade is again looking for aid. This may even have been a directly staged coup to sway foreign powers of the need for aid.

Not one foreign country should give any aid to this country. The past records have shown that all the aid given to any Haitian leader in the form of aid has dissapeared into Swiss bank accounts.
 
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El Jefe

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Why would Canada move it's embassy in Haiti to SD?? Shouldn't they just close it down, period?
 
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GringoCarlos

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Why would the Canadians in power in Quebec, shut down their embassy in Haiti, for ANY reason? After all, where else can they get French-speaking immigrants to help beef up the number of people in Canada speaking French, as well as cleaning their houses and driving their taxis in Montreal, and at the same time holding at bay the Canadians who speak English???
 
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Joachim

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Not to mention adding AIDS to the population. The government of Quebec must be very desperate for French speaking immigrants if they allow Haitians into Canada. How can a country that can barely function give these immigrants a security clearance? Or give them a clean bill of health?
 
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"The Tourist Watcher"

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Re:Dominicans in Haiti Coup?

Joachim: Several rumors have been heard that some of the gunmen who got into the Palace in Haiti spoke fluent Dominican spanish. If Aristide is not thrown out, this is beginning to look like a set up by the master of deceipt to blame the coup on Dominican Republic so that the International community can put pressure on us on our immigration policies.

Remember that the last time there was an attempt, he accused Dominican Republic of training the gunmen here. The guy is full of it and if we dont come out agressively to the press to do our own PR job now, he will get another medal from Canada and the USA for being a good boy.

Canada would like to close shop there all together because they are afraid of this horde of stone age people on their soil. But it will backfire. Boats full of Haitians will increase to USA and Canada and they have nothing to blame but themselves for letting us take the brunt of this mess. We should close the border totally and make it real tough for Haitians to get in now, so that they take their boats out to sea.

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Joachim

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Re:Dominicans in Haiti Coup?

We do not want these people here either. We just do not have enough soil for them to eat.

I have lived enought time in the DR to know that you are right, this attempt to slander the DR government will not work. Aristrade is looking for handouts to fill his Swiss account before the whole house of cards collapes.

Hipolito should now close the doors to the DR for any Haitians, elite or not. Stricter border patrols should be set up so that some of the Dominican forests will remain.

Unfortunately, Haitian will to survive is very strong, and they will do anything to get out of their own country, by any means necessary.
 
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Re:Dominicans in Haiti Coup?

Man, I like to see Joachim out there, trying to run for his life !!! Ok, I agree, no one wants any haitians, no one wants to help... However, it would be a good idea to have an efficient dictator in power in Haiti, somebody like Trujillo to settle things... And what about if the guy is corrupt and gets his swiss account full of money ? Well such is life... At least some order comes back west of Dajabon... Forget about democracy, forget about giving some rights to the opposition, just let the dictator dictate and put some order back in the country...
So far, Aristide seems to be the only candidate to be a good dictator, so it woulb be time for the int'l community to help him doing his job !
 
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Joachim

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Re:Dominicans in Haiti Coup?

Let all the Haitian elite us some of their hidden money to help rebuild thier own country.

They are shooting themselves in the foot, if the country was more productive and properous as a whole they would become even richer if they shared some of the wealth. They only care about their own grab bag.

There is now way that I would want my tax dollars being used to help these "Stone Age" people.

By the way Mr. Squat their conditions are not my fault, as for myself I sacrificed for years to get to where I am, so I have no sympathy for a country whose leaders us the masses poverty as advertisement for foreign aid.
 
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Squat

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Re:Dominicans in Haiti Coup?

-Have you ever set foot in Haiti, Joachim ?

It sounds like you don't really know what you are talking about... But anyway, don't worry when you say :

"There is now way that I would want my tax dollars being used to help these "Stone Age" people. "

Your precious tax dollars are already being used to help another "Stone Age" people, the Afghans...
 
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Joachim

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Re:Dominicans in Haiti Coup?

This is where you are wrong Mr. Squat. I have visited Haiti on two occasions. Definately the worst country that I have ever been to.

If you dont believe what I say, then read this. During the Duvallier era a team of foreign watchdogs went to Haiti to investigate complaints about human rights violation in the Haitian prisons.

Before the foreign party arrived healthy Haitian solders were used to replace ailing and dying prisoners. Meanwhile, the real prisoners were removed from the prison to another area of the compound.

When the foreign team arrived they encounted healthy well fed prisoners.

After they left, foreign aid was again restored to Haiti. The Haitian government again duped foreign do gooders into believing that they were now defenders of human rights. Meanwhile the real prisoners were returned to their cells.

By the way the monthly prison budget is $5,000 per month. However, the prison official steal most of the money, so you can imagine what the prisoners have to eat.
 
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Squat

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Re:Dominicans in Haiti Coup?

Well, sometimes one thinks Haiti is a bottomless problem... They shouldn't have kicked out the french so early ! It used to be a very nice country, with skilled french ingeneers and a good agriculture... Lots of culture in Cap-Haitien... I don't mean to pretend that their is an easy solution for Haiti, as a matter of fact I don't see any... However I travel through the haitian north-coast very often since years, and I have some affection for this country that everybody loves to hate...
 
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Joachim

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Re:Dominicans in Haiti Coup?

How quickly we forget that the brutality that the Haitian learned came from their French masters. These orginal French were extremely brutal towards their slave.

It is a country whose history is written in blood!!
 
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El Jefe

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Re:Dominicans in Haiti Coup?

The same is true of all conquerers...seen any caribes or Tainos (Spanish) hanging around in the DR? Any Arawaks in Jamaica (Spanish and English. In the US the percentage of Indians is way down. The French weren't the only cruel masters.
 
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Joachim

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Re:Dominicans in Haiti Coup?

Never said that they were the only ones. However, they were the most cruel. I can give you examples if you want.
 
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Angie

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sheesh!

man oh man, how can one care which particular group of conquerers was the cruelest when so much human suffering was/is involved and is the more important issue? let's not blame or judge all the poor haitians for being born in an unstable country. the strong will to survive is a human one, universally. if you were faced with a literal life or death situation, wouldn't you too try your luck on a tiny boat? things must be pretty tough for one to risk days on a raft on the open seas, i mean any kind of life must look better than the ones they're living. that's a sad, scary reality.
 
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Angie

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Re: sheesh!

exactly, their leaders, not they themselves directly.