Eye-opener in Villa Atlagracia

G

Golfer

Guest
I was on the way to San Cristobal from Santiago with a friend when we passed through the small town of Villa Altagracia. My friend told me that he used to work on an assembly line in a large factory that manufactured hats near the center of town. He said that the entire operation was Korean and that they had a contempt for the Dominican people who worked in near sweat shop conditions in their factory. He went on to say that the Koreans lived in a compound outside of town and had little interaction with the locals. He said that the factory was the main employer in town but that all supervisory positions were held by Koreans. He expressed a curiosity to see some of his old friends that worked at the factory but indicated that the Koreans were very strict and would never permit such a visit.

This sounded a little extreme to me so being a westerner from the US I thought I would pull into the factory and see if we could get some sort of tour of his old assembly line. Now even though this wasn't NASA I knew it was a long shot to go in un-announced and get a tour of an operatering factory but I thought, "what the hell, I'll give it a shot. This is the DR, anything is possible." I was totally unprepared for what I encountered.

Upon entering the main office I saw about thirty Korean males staring at thirty spreadsheets on thirty laptops. So unusual must it have been for someone to breech this sanctuary that barely a person looked up, no receptionist, no conversation, no smiles, no frowns, no nothing! Feeling uncomfortable and like I was somewhere where I didn't belong I kept walking into an adjacent office in search of someone who would acknowlege that I was there. More of the same. I've been in many business offices in the US and never have I seen a more somber bunch of humorless drones than I saw in that office. I literally got a chill contemplating how different these people appeared from the wonderful Dominican people that labored for them. I finally was approached by a an office supervisor who asked me in Spanish what I was doing there. I explained in my best Spanish my desire for a quick tour of the assembly area where my friend had labored for two years. My inquiry was met by silence. I repeated myself but all he did was look at me as if I were from outer space. I said "forget it" and left the offices.

When I returned to the car I got that "I told you so" look from my friend. He said the Koreans had a reputation for being absolutly ruthless and were disliked by all the Dominicans that worked in the factory. As we drove away I couldn't help thinking about the economic condition that would induce these people to come from half way around the globe and set up shop in a country that they obviously would never appreciate. One could only imagine what opinions the Koreans held of their Dominican labor force. I wondered if this small town was better off with these jobs than before the factory was there. I suppose that it is but it seems like a high price to pay. My friend left little doubt that the Dominicans who live there know who the bosses are in Villa Altagracia.

Do the people who post on this board know if this type of thing is common throughout the DR? Is the government so enamered of foriegn investment that they would encourage these fiefdoms?
 
S

SCARAMOOCH

Guest
I know this much about the Koreans, in South America specially in Honduras where they have a lot of exploytive textile factories paying starvation wages to the populace while paying off the 'powers that be". the only thing I heard good about those people there was they paid the "hookers" a lot more then the native Hondurans, therefore off setting the local economy.
 
D

Doug

Guest
I know there is a big hat manufacturing operation in or near Bani....is this the same type of thing going on there??
 
A

Any Mosity

Guest
I beg to differ.

<body background="http://swapshare.com/images/drflag.jpg">
My neighbours in Costambar, Puerto Plata, 12 years ago were Koreans who all worked in the Zona Franca here. I found that they were friendly, smiling, generous (they invited me for some delicious Korean food) and very hard working, putting in more hours than their Dominican employees.

They are just the opposite of what Golfer describes.

They also worked for starvation wages even though they held supervisory positions.
<dl>
<dt><img src="http://swapshare.com/images/mouse1.gif" alt="mouse" width="169" height="150"></dt>
<dt><font face="Brush Script MT" size="6" color="#000080"><strong><em>Anny Mosity</em></strong></font></dt>
</dl>
 
D

Drake

Guest
Koreans in the DR

Koreans have several factories in the free zones across the country. Besides Villa Altagracia and Bani. They are established in San Pedro, Barahona and other places. They are devoted almost exclusively to textiles exporting to the USA.

It is true that they are ruthless with their employees. They oblige the workers to work long hours. 60 hour week sometimes depending on orders. The temporary workers are usually fired before they reach three months so as not to pay severance. Conditions are basic and most times lunch is not provided. The Koreans also live apart, eat their own food and disassociate with Dominicans.

On the other hand. Thousands of Dominican families are maintained by this work front. Their salaries are not great but at least it is work. All the Korean factories comply with local labor laws. They are not like some illegal sweatshops that you get in some "1st World countries". You must understand that Koreans come from a very different culture. Working very hard is normal for them. So they do not see anything wrong in making other people work hard as well. Dominicans sometimes do not understand this..
 
P

Pib

Guest
Inmoral Vs. Illegal

I had heard long ago that there were countless complaints from employees of Korean's factories. Among them that pregnant women were being fired, that people were fired during the 3 first months not to pay them severance and other practices that were bordering in the illegal. The Labor Dpmnt. (Secretar?a de Trabajo) had to step in many times. I haven't heard that many complaints in a long time.

Most free zones in DR are not producing cheap garments now. Most of them manufacture electronic devices and parts, cigars, high tech medical equipment etc. The ones manufacturing garments are producing designer clothes and expensive shoes. Most American brands and some Europeans request that their manufacturers meet some strict criteria on labor conditions. Levi-Strauss, who had been accussed in the past of giving their contracts to sweat shop in 3rd world countries is now very picky. I remember that in a visit to a factory in Esperanza we got a tour around the factory from Mr. Clase. There were some renovations being done at the moment, to comply, he said, with the standards requested by Levi's to give them any job. Among the standards were, as I can remember, that they have to have a "X" ammount of bathroom depending on the number of employees. They had to control levels of noise, industrial security, wages, work conditions, etc.

As the free zones moved to high tech/expensive products the labor force became more especialized and less easy to replace. It would be too costly for most companies to change a trained, experience worker just because they want to avoid paying severance. Workers are being paid a lot more, so they avoid working for low-pay companies (like the one you mention). As a result two things happened: a) the Koreans had to better the work conditions or else they would not find employees, b)since the work market had pushed them to pay higher salaries they left to find other countries with less competition and more relaxed labor laws, such as Haiti.

This is my just my personal observation. And BTW, I completely disagree with the opinion that the Dominican employees complain because the have to work harder for their Korean employers. That is VERY far from the truth.
 
D

Drake

Guest
Korean Zona Franca

Pib -Like I said the Koreans only work with Textiles. Within the factories the majority of the tasks (80%) are non skilled. Like sewing a badge on a hat continously. Which can be learnt in a few hours. The employees are usually contracted on a three month contract and then released to return three months later. There is also no shortage of labour. Take Villa Altagracia Zona Franca for example. It is the only non agricultural work front for 50 miles.
 
C

carabella

Guest
cultural differences

We know a Korean family in "El Cibao". They own a ball cap factory at the Zona Franca.
Their children attend elite private schools and they are very strict in their way of life. Much like the Koreans I know here in the states.
As far as Mr. Lee he is a descent guy. My Dad plays pool with him occasionally or they watch the competitions on TV.
There is absolutely no drinking permitted in his home or around his children.
It seems that many of the workers complain because they are not accustomed to such strict work rules. I've been at the factory & it did not look like a sweat shop to me.
I'm sure there are some exceptions but for the most part it may just be a cultural misunderstanding.
 
P

Pib

Guest
Cultural differences?

Cultural differences cannot account for a pregnant woman being fired. It is illegal in DR. I suspect that Korean culture do not dictates that it is OK to violate a foreign law when living in that country. There were many other and more serious acusations that cannot be accounted on cultural differences. But as I said it seems not to be happening nowadays.

I don't doubt that your father's friend may be a nice man and a good father. He even may be a fair employer. He may not be. I know countless "nice" people who also happen to be ruthless employers. And meeting the labor laws does not make a company a good employer. I will give Mr. Lee the benefict of the doubt.

Where is Mr. Lee's factory? Villa Altagracia? He may be our customer.
 
O

Observer

Guest
What lazy ingrates !!

Do you want the Korean companies to leave and the Dominicans to starve?

Maybe the companies should simply give them money as tourists are begged to do.

When Koreans were poor, they certainly were not averse to work. When they begged, it was for WORK, not just MONEY.
 
P

Pib

Guest
I beg your pardon!!

I think you are way off the subject here. We are not putting down Koreans, or anybody for that matter. But there is true in what's going around that they have on ocassions abused their Dominican employees as well as violate many Dominican laws. Not only labour laws. The discussion wasn't about whether or not they should have left but whether it has been done.

I guess that if we really want to go to extremes we can say that the Israelites were also lazy ingrates for wanting to leave Egipt. They were getting free food and assured jobs. How dared they want to leave the lazy ingrates. The nerve!
 
O

Observer

Guest
The lazy ingrates are the posters who ...

would rather see the Dominicans starve.

Obviously the Dominicans themselves appreciate the jobs.
 
O

Observer

Guest
Pib: Where did your post go ??

It disappeared while I was checking to see if in fact my own post was "unarmed" as you said. (Actually, I believe you suggested that "I" was unarmed.)

Since the post is now gone and I did not copy it, I don't have the chance to respond accurately.

I will therefore reiterate that if the said company is in fact the largest employer in Altagracia, as the original poster said, obviously those Dominicans with the jobs appreciate them.

The Korean economy, as I'm sure you know, has been one of the most successful of the last 50 years. In fact, 50 years ago (even before the Korean War), Korea just might have been poorer than the Dominican Republic.
 
P

Pib

Guest
Here you have it.

Below you will find the original post you refer too. I did save it. You had not responded to it when I deleted it and I thought improductive going any further with this discussion. Furthermore, I wrote it while I was p...d off at your "lazy ingrates" comment. I responded accordingly. Notice I withdrew the "unarmed" comment. I am embarrassed to have resorted to your same strategy. I apologize.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

You are not getting the picture, are you? None of the posters has suggested that anybody leave the country. None has suggested that they would rather see Dominicans starve. Golfer asked a question, everybody answered to the best of their knowledge. There are many good employers, some outstandingly good among Free Zone entrepreneurs. I can give you many examples. I have been to almost all Free Zones in this country. I have been nicely surprised by how nicely most companies treat their employees. There had been serious accusations in the past. Some were real, but things have obviously gotten better.

I hope I got the point across to you. If I did not then I will not waste your time.

Merry Christmas to you too.
 
J

Jim Hinsch

Guest
Re: Freedom

One more option for the people. Nobody is forced to work there (I assume). Accept or don't. Freedom.
 
O

Observer

Guest
Re: Here you have it.

The gesture is appreciated, even if you did have to get in the last dig.

I'm not sure that the exchange reached the "apology level", but ACCEPTED anyway.

I don't believe that I insulted anyone personally, including you, but if so, I also apologize.

Merry Christmas to you too, and everyone else!
 
L

Loren

Guest
Jim's point

The Dominicans have a free choice to accept or decline employment at the Zona Franca. If the Koreans are unfair the Dominicans should vote with their feet. The Koreans will then either shape up or ship out.
BUT
The Koreans have an obligation to respect the culture and human rights of the Domincans. No human has the right to abuse another human...or another animal for that matter (though eating animals is fair and square)
BUT
The government has the responsibility to pass laws that reflect the values of the Dominican Republic and then to uphold and enforce those laws, fairly sanctioning entities based on their compliance.

When these 3 principles are adhered to you have true capitalism. When one or more of these tenets are violated you have unfair and abusive exploitation of human beings.
 
R

rc

Guest
Re: What lazy ingrates !!

Interesting to see on this board how many americans and canadians are so concerned about poor dominicans. but when you compare american companies investing actualy creating work here then you get interesting results. Not to many.
Why?
Just came from Miami where we were looking to find partner for work in DR. This is forbiden land for them. Why? they have no time for laisy atitudes corupted system and dominican family business.
Then you have domestic dominican companies or rather say families controling businesses and pays.
When you mention this koreans be clear that if they are not here it will be no job for this folks and koreans can easily switch to Vietnam or some other country where results are obtained faster, better, and for less.
If they left would you have this dominican companies replacing them. Sorry I ment families.
I just got message for concernig americans in DR. Don't think about what you dont understand. It makes you tired. And also could stir problem for your friends. rebels are not wanted. Usualy they get fired. So they can complain at home or switch to old profession scaming and beging.