DR on the way to repeat Puerto Rico economic crisis

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DR on the way to repeat Puerto Rico economic crisis

Puerto Rican Legislator Angel Rosa says that excessive public spending and the increases in the government payroll are the main reasons for the current economic crisis in Puerto Rico, as reported in Listin Diario. He said Puerto Rico did not have the discipline to restrict spending to prevent having to borrow from abroad to finance the government.

Rosa warned that the DR seems to be making the same mistakes, and called for the government to cut public spending.

He was speaking during a presentation followed by a panel discussion on ?Puerto Rico Crisis: Causes, Consequences and Present Situation? at the Pedro Henriquez Urena National Library in Santo Domingo yesterday, Wednesday 14 October 2015.

Dominican economist Ernesto Selman of the Regional Center for Sustainable Economic Strategies (CREES) also took part. Selman said DR should see itself in the mirror of Puerto Rico. He said the country is not far from having to confront the same economic problems. He said the crises in Puerto Rico, Greece and Brazil were a consequence of populist and political patronage practices by their governments that resulted in increased spending, which leads to taking on debt and makes public finances unsustainable.

Selman believes that the DR needs to change its fiscal policy. He said that economic growth does not necessarily translate into increased income for the government. He said the government was spearheading public policies that will eventually lead to a crisis.

?(Here) public policy needs to change, to adopt a law of fiscal responsibility and transparency, so that we can limit increases in public spending, fiscal deficits that ultimately translate into greater debt taking,? he stated. He ended by saying that since 2001 the country has maintained a sustained indebtedness trend and this is still the case in the 2016 National Budget.

Source: DR1, Listindiario

Oct 15, 2015
 

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You may have read that the Nobel Peace winner in Economics commented several days ago that the chance of this happening was most unlikely and that the DR would not follow PR .
 

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DR on the way to repeat Puerto Rico economic crisis

Puerto Rican Legislator Angel Rosa says that excessive public spending and the increases in the government payroll are the main reasons for the current economic crisis in Puerto Rico, as reported in Listin Diario. He said Puerto Rico did not have the discipline to restrict spending to prevent having to borrow from abroad to finance the government.

Rosa warned that the DR seems to be making the same mistakes, and called for the government to cut public spending.

He was speaking during a presentation followed by a panel discussion on ?Puerto Rico Crisis: Causes, Consequences and Present Situation? at the Pedro Henriquez Urena National Library in Santo Domingo yesterday, Wednesday 14 October 2015.

Dominican economist Ernesto Selman of the Regional Center for Sustainable Economic Strategies (CREES) also took part. Selman said DR should see itself in the mirror of Puerto Rico. He said the country is not far from having to confront the same economic problems. He said the crises in Puerto Rico, Greece and Brazil were a consequence of populist and political patronage practices by their governments that resulted in increased spending, which leads to taking on debt and makes public finances unsustainable.

Selman believes that the DR needs to change its fiscal policy. He said that economic growth does not necessarily translate into increased income for the government. He said the government was spearheading public policies that will eventually lead to a crisis.

?(Here) public policy needs to change, to adopt a law of fiscal responsibility and transparency, so that we can limit increases in public spending, fiscal deficits that ultimately translate into greater debt taking,? he stated. He ended by saying that since 2001 the country has maintained a sustained indebtedness trend and this is still the case in the 2016 National Budget.

Source: DR1, Listindiario

Oct 15, 2015

These type of articles pop up in the papers here every 6 months or so, but nothing is done to change the situation as the country goes deeper and deeper into debt. This is true of almost every country in the world at the moment.
 

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please give us a link to that proclamation.

I suspect he is referring to the news posted on DR1 news Friday past in case you missed it.

'Paul Krugman doubts TPP will happen'

You can dissect his speech as reported in the links....it's your topic......and argue......
 

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Other than both being islands, there is zero economic correlation between Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. PR's debt is beyond its capacity. Unfortunately, its health care system is tottering and will be its next financial calamity well before its debt non-payment comes to a head. The debt is sourced from highway, sewerage and electricity authorities, each government owned. The DR's debt is not due to mismanagement but rather not enough reforms to protect minority investors and shareholder rights. The tax system has abysmal revenue collection. Two different worlds.
 

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PR's problems are not just the result of reckless spending, they also have their hands tied.

The US government doesn't want to bail them out, they can't adjust their monetary policy to favor exports due to using the US dollar, and PR can't ask for more loans from international organizations because they are not an independent country. To make matters worse, PR can't file for bankruptcy and have its debt restructured because even though it's a territory of the USA, its not a state and that's an advantaged reserved to states.

Their economy isn't growing at all and hasn't grown in years, and they can't make it grow because what made PR an economic success was tax excemptions and incentives that the US government gave to large comapanies to induce them to open manufacturing plants there. The free trade agreements the US has signed with many countries has eroded the advantage PR had.

The DR doesn't have any of those fundamental problems.
 
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please give us a link to that proclamation.

He was a paid speaker by the SD Chamber of Commerce and as such he knew where his bread was buttered.....and what he actually said was that the countries economic performance was "relatively good" and that there were areas the DR should continue to exploit (textiles).

Hardly the ringing endorsement one would expect from a "paid" speaker.

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/ec...economy-relatively-good-despite-global-crisis


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He was a paid speaker by the SD Chamber of Commerce and as such he knew where his bread was buttered.....and what he actually said was that the countries economic performance was "relatively good" and that there were areas the DR should continue to exploit (textiles).

Hardly the ringing endorsement one would expect from a "paid" speaker.

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/ec...economy-relatively-good-despite-global-crisis


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Playacaribe2

i read that one , playa. it was a timid, tepid assessment of the economic conditions in the DR, and at no point did i see where it even suggested that what PR is experiencing will not happen in the DR. he is too smart to have said that.
 
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i read that one , playa. it was a timid, tepid assessment of the economic conditions in the DR, and at no point did i see where it even suggested that what PR is experiencing will not happen in the DR. he is too smart to have said that.

We both know it already did.....during the Baninter collapse and ultimate IMF rescue of the DR banking system...and it can happen again.


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Playacaribe2
 

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PR's problems are not just the result of reckless spending, they also have their hands tied.
PR can't file for bankruptcy and have its debt restructured because even though it's a territory of the USA, its not a state and that's an advantaged reserved to states.

States cannot declare bankruptcy.
 
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Detroit filed for chapter 9 bankruptcy. I realize it is a city, but wonder how Puerto Rico would fit into this unenviable status?
 

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Detroit filed for chapter 9 bankruptcy. I realize it is a city, but wonder how Puerto Rico would fit into this unenviable status?


As you know, Puerto Rico is not a state. They do not have state?s rights therefore they do not have the option to file for bankruptcy.
 
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As you know, Puerto Rico is not a state. They do not have state?s rights therefore they do not have the option to file for bankruptcy.

As has been stated above, states are not allowed to go bankrupt under the law.

Cities and county governments can file, but there is no provision for a territory like Puerto Rico to avail itself of a Chapter 9 Bankruptcy filing.

There is however legislation introduced to allow such a move....but currently not much support for it.


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Playacaribe2
 

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As has been stated above, states are not allowed to go bankrupt under the law.

Cities and county governments can file, but there is no provision for a territory like Puerto Rico to avail itself of a Chapter 9 Bankruptcy filing.

There is however legislation introduced to allow such a move....but currently not much support for it.


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Playacaribe2

You are correct. 100% agreed.
 

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I suspect he is referring to the news posted on DR1 news Friday past in case you missed it.

'Paul Krugman doubts TPP will happen'

You can dissect his speech as reported in the links....it's your topic......and argue......

Thank you ju10rd ..yes it was here in the DR1 news and in the newspapers . The summaries on DT are often at a tangent to what is in the papers ,,maybe due to translation problems