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    I applied to be a Dominican citizen in November 2014. After a couple of document hiccups (UK birth cert was over 6 months old), then they needed divorce cert from husband No. 1, I was interviewed and passed in March 2015. I was told it would take maximum 6 months to do a DNI, DNCD and Interpol check and then I would be sworn in.

    I was told to call every month or so, and always the same answer - waiting for Interpol. Lawyer friends and a translator friend, Olga, went physically to the Ministry of Interior and Police and always the same answer, waiting for Interpol.

    Fast forward to April 2017, and the Ministry told friend Olga that if I had a police report from home country and buena conducta from here then that would override the non existent Interpol report. I did as requested and submitted.

    Called every 2 weeks - in process. Eventually, mid August, so a week or so ago, Olga made an appointment for me to see a head honcho. In the meantime a lady at the same stage as me, who applied at the same time as me had been sent a list of the requirements she needed after submitting her police report - as her file had been processed and mine was still "in process".

    These requirements included: renewing residency (when we both applied women married to Dominicans didn't need residency), redoing all certificates (as all older than 6 months), bank and employment details for both husband and wife, notarized document signed by 3 witnesses to say you live here, copy of every single page of passport, guarantee from husband (notarized) to say will pay for wife's maintenance and deportation if needed (how can you deport a citizen?), Certificate from Immigration to prove movement in and out of the country. There maybe more - I forget.

    Before having aheart attack I wrote a paper going through each requirement and then referenced to the various laws to show they were illegal. The paper is in Spanish but if anyone wants it let me have a pm.

    I went to the meeting prepared to fight. There was no need. The head honcho said of course I did not need residency, but took my old card to copy, also took my new virgin passport to copy each one of the blank pages. I said I was a writer and gave her my two books - so no need for employment information. As the books were too big for the file (!) she asked me for a writing CV. In addition I was asked for a buena conducta for my husband which I paid for at BanReservas there and Naturalization did it on their computer. I was asked to provide the standard bank letter from my bank, and the notarized document to say I lived here, and if I could promise to supply those within 3 days I could now pay my RD$5,000 pesos fee and I was scheduled to be sworn in on August 31.

    They could not have been more helpful and she said they would only ask for the minimum requirements, so it appears the never ending list of new requirements does not need to be totally adhered to. Interestingly the head honcho asked why I had not been personally since my interview some 2.5 years ago and I said that I was always told waiting for Interpol, or in process so no point in going. She made it clear to me that had I gone personally before things would not have taken this long as they like to meet those who are going to be citizens, not just their lawyers or representatives.

    So journey almost over, but for those thinking about it, don't panic at the list of requirements as it appears there is significant flexibility.

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    The flexibility you achieved seems to me was available by the back door method. Not necessarily available to others in the same way.

    The absolute stupidity of documents expiring during the processing time is what troubles me the most and what will apparently keep me from taking this route, which at one time seemed quite easy.

    The absolute stupidity of a birth certificate ever expiring is the top of that pile of nonsense.

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    I don't think it was back door, and I was prepared to fight against the expiration of documents as that is contrary to the ruling of the JCE who determined that they don't expire, so what was on the list was illegal - ie that they have to be less than 6 months old. I just think that the person I saw was sensible and knew that the requirements were absurd. As I said I think it is about having a relationship with the office that makes the difference.
    Plus I gave the name of the person I had the meeting with to someone at the same stage as me, she has called, and she also has been given the same degree of flexibility and given she applied before residency was needed she does not have to renew that either.
    So it's not just me.

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    Sounds like a mess: rules that aren't rules and a bureaucracy that doesn't even know which rules are what.

    I'm dipping into that pond very shortly and get conflicting info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by windeguy View Post
    The flexibility you achieved seems to me was available by the back door method. Not necessarily available to others in the same way.

    The absolute stupidity of documents expiring during the processing time is what troubles me the most and what will apparently keep me from taking this route, which at one time seemed quite easy.

    The absolute stupidity of a birth certificate ever expiring is the top of that pile of nonsense.
    IF she was going to do the process through the back door she would have done that in 2014 when she started the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dulce View Post
    IF she was going to do the process through the back door she would have done that in 2014 when she started the process.
    What are the odds of meeting the head honcho of the process for any one else who runs into the morons beneath said head honcho so those morons can be told where to go? That is what I meant by back door method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by windeguy View Post
    What are the odds of meeting the head honcho of the process for any one else who runs into the morons beneath said head honcho so those morons can be told where to go? That is what I meant by back door method.
    Well have given cell phone number and name of head honcho to others in the process and she has agreed to meetings with them so I think the odds would be good. The learning from this is don't be fobbed off, ask to meet the person above the moron, and the expat way of making life easier by getting someone to hand in stuff for you, does not necessarily work in this case. She told me she likes to meet the husbands and the wives of those doing the citizenship by marriage route.

    The office was incredibly quiet compared to how I remember it, so I think the rush to apply has maybe slowed down a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matilda View Post
    Well have given cell phone number and name of head honcho to others in the process and she has agreed to meetings with them so I think the odds would be good. The learning from this is don't be fobbed off, ask to meet the person above the moron, and the expat way of making life easier by getting someone to hand in stuff for you, does not necessarily work in this case. She told me she likes to meet the husbands and the wives of those doing the citizenship by marriage route.

    The office was incredibly quiet compared to how I remember it, so I think the rush to apply has maybe slowed down a bit.

    Matilda
    Thank you. There is always a chance that things are different and can be handled in a manner that makes sense for everyone in the same situation.

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    Phew! One question though. I've never been told that women married to Dominicans didn't need residency at any point in the last 20 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chirimoya View Post
    Phew! One question though. I've never been told that women married to Dominicans didn't need residency at any point in the last 20 years.


    That was the law until 2014.  It was challenged by a man married to a Dominican woman, and instead of giving the men that same privilege, they took it away from the women.  Typical.  




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