View Poll Results: Should Ramfis Domínguez Trujillo be allowed to run for the presidency in 2020?

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  • Yes, he's a Dominican and isn't responsible for this things his grandfather did.

    38 76.00%
  • Yes, but I'm not too comfortable having him as president.

    2 4.00%
  • No, he's a Trujillo. 'Nuff said!

    7 14.00%
  • Whatever... I'm indifferent.

    3 6.00%
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Thread: Ramfis Domínguez Trujillo: Next Presidente of Dominican Republic?

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    No dynasty needed. No more Clintons, Bushes, or Trujillos. Politics should not be a family business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico bill View Post
    No dynasty needed. No more Clintons, Bushes, or Trujillos. Politics should not be a family business.
    you left out Kennedy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico bill View Post
    No dynasty needed. No more Clintons, Bushes, or Trujillos. Politics should not be a family business.
    Unless people want to vote for them. Why should someone be disqualified from running for office simply because a family member has been involved in politics? As long as it's a clean election, what does it matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caonabo View Post
    There is much support in this affirmation.
    Where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by windeguy View Post
    That would clearly disaulify Trujillo from running if he did not renounce other citizenship at least 10 years ago and also not live in the DR for at least 10 years.

    Of course, they do change the constitution when convenient. Is it convenient to allow Trujillo to run?
    On that basis, he'll never be able to run. Why would the sitting politicians change the rules to allow a real competitor in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZC1 View Post
    Why an American thinks he has a right to govern Dominicans is what is truly ridiculous, never-mind his last name and family heritage.

    Because the Dominican constitution says that the son or daughter of any Dominican is Dominican, regardless where they are born.

    The constitution also says that only Dominicans by birth and Dominicans by origin (the one that applies to Domínguez Trujillo) can be president. Only naturalized Dominicans can’t become president of the DR. Sons/daughters of Dominicans born abroad don’t need to naturalize because they are born with Dominican nationality by origin. They can go to any Dominican consulate and with the birth certificate of one of his parents, his own, and money for the fees receives his cédula and passport with no restrictions whatsoever. Those born abroad need to renounce the citizenship of birth before running for presidency.

    US law also states that any US citizen that works for any foreign government, by the mere act automatically renounces US citizenship.

    The big question is not whether Domínguez Trujillo is Dominican, because that’s as clear as water; but rather if he gave up US citizenship within the time period that Dominican law states. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by windeguy View Post
    That would clearly disaulify Trujillo from running if he did not renounce other citizenship at least 10 years ago and also not live in the DR for at least 10 years.

    Of course, they do change the constitution when convenient. Is it convenient to allow Trujillo to run?

    The constitution can be changed, but it can’t be retroactive. Any changes would apply to Dominicans of origin born at or after the date the revised or new constitution is in effect.

    Unlike the scandal that arouse with the Haitians born to illegal immigrants (they were always included in the definition of ‘in transit’), there’s no terminology in the Dominican constitution that has ever been interpreted by the Supreme Court as implying that Dominicans by origin can’t become president of the DR. The constitution also says nothing about descendants of Trujillo not being able to become president of the country. 

    Changing the constitution could stall for a while his aspirations, but its bound to be doomed by the inconstitutionality of imposing a retroactive limitation of rights. The only thing that can be done retroactively is give new rights to citizens, not to take them away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garyexpat View Post
    Where?
    Within the social circles that ultimately make these decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlterEgo View Post
    True, but wasn’t there a law passed that removed his name from everywhere and prohibited praising him, etc?  We bought a CD on the beach a couple of years ago, Trujillo ‘s favorite songs/songs written about him or some such thing.  We were told it’s actually illegal to own it or play it.  
    I've heard a CD called Los Merengues Del Jefe with one of the most recognized merengues of his era, "Salve San Cristobal". if one looks carefully around the Colonial Zone, metal covers on the sidewalk with Ciudad Trujillo on them can still be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2dlight View Post
    I've heard a CD called Los Merengues Del Jefe with one of the most recognized merengues of his era, "Salve San Cristobal". if one looks carefully around the Colonial Zone, metal covers on the sidewalk with Ciudad Trujillo on them can still be found.


    I don’t remember the name of the CD, it’s in DR and we’re in NJ right now, but I know one of the songs on it is called Playa Najayo (where he had a home, and where we live), and several of the others praise him.  




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