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Meredith

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This is mainly for MommC because you are from Juan Dolio right? Do you know los vicini (beach)?
 

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I can answer your question.
There is not Vicini beach. they are maybe the richest family in DR, and they have many houses around the country, including their Villa in Juan Dolio. but they dont own the beach.
 

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Never heard of it Meredith.....

At least not in Juan Dolio....
there is the public Juan Dolio beach and Villa del Mar beach.
Just down the road about 2 kms is Guayacanes public beach.
No resort by that name either.....
Melia Juan Dolio,Playa Real, Best Western Metro, La Cappella, Talanquera, Decameron,Colonial Tropical, Coral Costa Caribe are the resorts in the area. Then there's Plaza Real -small resort not on the beach. Also rooming houses like Don Pedro's, Hotel Flor di Loto, Naito and a few others.
 

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Hmmmm..... Which would be the closest public beach to Consuelo? Sorry, for being a pain, I'm just trying to figure it out!
 

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Welllll.......

Seems to me it would be Juan Dolio beach or Santana beach however I'm not sure if Santana beach is open to public or if it's reserved for the resort guests there.
So....I'd say Juan Dolio beach for sure.
Hope this helps.......
Someone out there may be more informed and know of a closer beach.......I am not aware of any others in the area.
 

Meredith

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Okay, thanks for the help! I just know it's behind a resort, but open to the public, dominicans visit it frequently and it's not very busy. Oh, well.......
 

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So.....

find a Dominican who goes there and ask the name of the resort.....
the beach name may be a "familiar" or local name for the beach!
Just asked my maid and she says there is a beach they call los vicini between Juan Dolio and Guayacanes. It could be the one that is behind Hotel Playa Canes or the one behind Hotel Playa Esmeralda.
There are several small beaches between JD & Guaycanes that aren't named per se. They are a short walk along the beach from the Playa Juan Dolio.
Hope this helps.....

BTW you have to come to playa Juan Dolio first if you're coming from San Pedro......then head toward Guaycanes.
 

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Vicini empire

Just out of interest the Vicini family own:
-Metaldom the largest steel factory in the Caribbean.
-2 or three sugar mills (or 35% nationally) including the surrounding land of sugar cane.
-they own half of the historic buildings in the Zona Colonial.
-they originally founded and built Boca Chica last century.
-there sugar sales offices were destroyed by the WTC 9/11
-they own massive plots of land with houses in Arroyo Hondo and the Malecon in Santo Domingo.

Out of the many nationalities that have migrated here it seems that the Italians have done best second only to the Spanish for establishishing them selves successfully.
 

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The beach known as Vicini beach is located off Guayacanes borderline with Juan Dolio. It is known as such because it fronts the house of one of the Vicini family. It is located near the Hotel Esmeralda that is right on the beach.
 

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Drake....out of curiosity.....

What Spanish families on the island have larger holdings that the "Vicini" family?
Considering Columbus was Italian but funded and provisioned by the Spanish and more interested in bringing the indigenous people to Christianity than in wealth accumulation I'd say both these ethnic groups have done well on the island.
 

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Playa Vicini

Was Trujillo's gift to one of his favorite families. This family along with most of the most powerful families today are all Trujillo-made.
Curiously enough, many today deny or disdain having being godfathered by El Jefe.

Take for instance a candid report written by Hoy news columnist Johnny Mendez in the Revista section last Saturday recounting the anniversary of Trujillo's last visit to this city where a huge party was thrown in his honor at the historic Casino Central and the music played by Rafael De Camps.

When he arrived, as usual the mabones were falling all over to kiss his feet. The entire La Vega high society was there. Nobody was forced to attend. Viva el Jefe!!! The park across the street, where the Cathedral now stands was flooded with humans begging to see the Chief.

Among those attending were Governor Ramon Cosme, Senator Santiago Rodriguez,Congressmen Julian Suardi, Manelic Gasso pereyra,Elias Brache, Augusto Paignad Cestero, Mayor Pedro Rodriguez, Samuel de Moya Alonzo

As Trujillo walked down the isles, beautiful young ladies threw petals on his path. The young girls had last names such as Nina,Franco,Cosme,Grullon, Garrido,Dujarric,Yarull, Mieses.....sound familiar so far?

Notice how many of these names are still in power and doing very well. The powerful known milk family is there. Another one the most powerful construction outfit today.

Trujillo offered to rebuild the Club, the park, the construction of a sports center, and as always Trujillo kept his promise. Today's La Vega infrastructure is all Trujillo made.

The irony of this, is that shortly afterwards Trujillo was assasinated by a gang of Trujillo made mini-tyrants, who carried themselves their own reign of terror and intimidation during Trujillo's time and are nowadays appointed as "national heroes"

Viva el Jefe!!!hehehehe.

P.S. Just in case you missed it, Hipolito just gave the rank of full Colonel to one of Trujillo's favorite friends and still his biggest supporter today, and Champion Polo player. He was seen in uniform. Oh how hypocrisy still reigns.

TW
 

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My apologies

a few corrections on mispellings:

Mabones is wrong....replace with "lambones" or kiss-asses

Paignad is wrong...replace by Peignand.

Thge others are minor. Thanks

TW
 

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Thanks Dolores for the info! The location makes sense and the name is what my Dominican friend called it. I thought that it was a name of a town or something though.
Drake and Golo, thanks for the info on the vicini family, I had no idea! Very interesting :)
 

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Re: Drake....out of curiosity.....

MommC said:
What Spanish families on the island have larger holdings that the "Vicini" family?
Considering Columbus was Italian but funded and provisioned by the Spanish and more interested in bringing the indigenous people to Christianity than in wealth accumulation I'd say both these ethnic groups have done well on the island.

The Fanjuls. They Own extensive Sugar Plantations and mills and a little resort called Casa de Campo! But don't tell that to Golo(TW)! He doesn't believe that any Cubans have achieved anything!

Tony C.
 

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Tony C.

There you go again trying to prove Cubans are the master race. Your favorite Cuban plantation owner family is just one rich family, just like there are rich families everywhere. Except, this one had to kiss Trujillo's and Balaguer's ass to get their holding here. Or didn't they?

In fact, Trujillo made many foreign nationals super rich. Cubans, Jews, germans, Italians, Lebanese, Arabs from other Arabic nations, Japanese, Chinese, Spaniards, from everywhere and many Dominicans too.

And, I hope you don't have a comeback about Trujillo, because Cubans have kissed ass all their lives. At least our Jefe was a Brigadier General when he took over, but Cubans were taken over by a lowly Seargent, Fulgencio Batista, who tried to learn a lesson or two from Trujillo, and kissed his ass too, then a bearded friend came from the mountains with a small patrol and wiped out your inept Cuban army and now Gusanos like you have been humiliated and sent into limbo, clinging to the city of Miami like parasites and hoping for 43 years to have a flag of their own.

At least we Dominicans have a country we can call our own. We can own land here. We can travel back and forth. We can taste our sand. Even the Palestinians, precariously have a piece of land. But you.....you are the only community in the world without a country. Money is not going to buy you a native land. You have to fight for it. And the sad thing is that you will not be able to do it without Uncle Sam helping you. That is the worst feeling. Your liberators and "Padres de la Patria Nueva" if there ever is one, is not going to be a Cuban, but a U.S. President. There will not be another Marti, who was also a Dominican!!!!

What a sad history for people who are so smart. Can the Fanjuls own any land in Cuba? No, but the Spaniards again can own the beaches and reconquering the island's best source of income.

TW
 

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I was answering a post about Affluent families in the DR that are of Spanish heritage. What is your problem with Cubans? Your jealousy is sooooooo Obvious.
Trujillo, The king of Chusma, was propped up by the Fanjuls and Serrales families among others. They Figured for a little money they could keep getting cheap sugar from that uneducated glorified security guard. They pulled their money after he let his ego get too big. Just like some other Dominicans I know.
Jose Marti Dominican? Now you are just being silly!!! Jose Marti Was born in Cuba at 16 he was exiled to Spain then returned when he was 19. Besides being a great statesman, Author and Poet he was a War hero who died in battle for Cuban Freedom.
Juan Pablo Duarte die in Venezuela Begging for money(Typical) from VD. Someone to be poud of!
Sorry TW your arguements do not hold any water. Any attempt by you to compare the Cuban experience with that of the DR is just sad and pathetic. Remember there are only 3 types of people in this world. As soon as you figure it out which one you are you will be a much better person!

Tony C.
 

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"el Capita"

TW: A question for you - were did Trujillo "el Capita" get the land and that he gave to his "lambones"? Trujillo was a creation of the US Army and he made his own promotions, he could have made himself a five star General if he wanted too. Since el Chivo came from a no nothing family how is it that he had any land to give as a prize for his loyal supporters.

One more question - what was the prize that Trujillo gave your family?

- 2DRs
 

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TonyC:

I am glad at least you have admitted that the Fanjuls had a parasite relationship with Trujillo. So far...so good. I was afraid you were going to say they were honest businessmen who got their money from pure hard work and intelligent use of their money.

Now, let's look at this. When the Fanjuls took off, it was not because they got tired of Trujillo's ego. It was because Trujillo outsmarted them and kicked them out and took over and nationalized their holdings. They thought Trujillo was some kind of fool. The same thing happened to all the wealthy Cubans who took their tail and ran for Miami after Fidel cleaned their clock and spread their wealth among the chopos.

Now these wealthy Cubans are trying to depose Fidel so they can go back and try to get their ill-conceived properties. Well, I would like to see that ridiculous scenario, where the gusanos go back and try to take the land away from people who have settled in them for 40 years. That ought to be fun to watch. I don't think the dirty worms would even dare. Are we ready for Revolution part II?

Trujillo earned his top military ranking from the U.S. Government in DR. Well, this white portly chopo "se metio a todo el mundo en un bolsillo, tanto a los lambones de la alta sociedad y a los mangansones Americanos que lo apoyaron. He later did whatever he wanted and the Yankees could do nothing about it for 30 years. He built the city of Santo Domingo and the country from the ruins after the 1930 hurricane.

As for 2DRs, please check your spelling..."CHAPITA". And, no, he could not have made himself a five star general, he did make himself a five star general. As far as I am concerned, anybody who had his guts to control all the gangs who ran this Dodge City back then should have been a ten star general. He earned his keep. That's why Balaguer is still boss here. If you can control this free-for-all in DR you deserve all the credit. What do you know about Trujillo's family? Trujillo had Spanish blood like all light skin Dominicans. Trujillo is a Spanish last name. There was no longer a society here, just anarchy and he just got tired of seeing a flimsy-do nothing as President, so he just took over and straightened out this mess. Just look around, Venezuela, Peru,Colombia, Bolivia have yet to be straightened out. Argentina after Peron is a mess. Trujillo left this country institutionalized. That's why it has been easier to establish a democracy here.

My father served the Army for 25 years, he earned his keep. He was a graduate of the first Military Academy, graduate musician from the Music Academy, graduate of the University of Santo Domingo, Medical student,graduate of the Military School of the Americas, Director of the Military Academy, Army Superintendent, Assistant Armed Forces Secretary, Brigadier Commander, Chief of the Foreign Legion in DR,Administrator of INESPRE, and Member of the Ruling Military-Civilian Junta. He was not responsible for being born during Trujillo, but he made the best of it. He educated himself and became a successful Dominican. Can you blame him?

In case you are wondering, 90% of my holdings were obtained from my work in the United States, not thru my family. With my six-figure US income I could buy things easy and cheap in DR. I purchased property from the United States with my own dollars. Our family has one thing. We are all very independent and do not need to have a hand extended to succeed. But if it makes you happy to say Trujillo gave me something, be my guest. It will not change my opinion about the guy. I like Candelier for our next chief, if it can be possible. I like strong leadership in this sea of indiscipline and chaos.

TW