U.S. travel group eyes forbidden Cuba

PJT

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Interesting reading today on CNN's travel website regarding U.S. travel to Cuba. If it were to open up, the first year an estimated one million U.S. tourists would visit and then five million per year within five years after restrictions lifted. The D.R. Ministry of Tourism should take a hard look at these figures. It's a wake up call. There will be serious competition for the tourist dollar between the two nations. Regards, PJT

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TRAVEL/NEWS/04/08/cuba.usa.travel.reut/index.html
 

Escott

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While Cuba has been the forbidden fruit for US citizens it hasn't been that way for Canadians and Europeans. They are free to go. The US only contributes 15 percent or so of the tourists to the DR so the loss won't be astronomical.

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mondongo

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jazzcom...Off Topic

When you went to the DR, were you able to display your water filter product? how did it turn out?

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PJT

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The forbidden fruit

The U.S., according to U.S. Ambassador to the D.R., Hans Hertel, contributes 29 percent of the tourism of the D.R. in a speech to the American Chamber of Commerce on Jan 23, 2002.

The prospect of ending restrictions of U.S. tourism to Cuba is a threat to the economic viability of tourism of the D.R. and should be a concern to the Dominican government.

One must understand that the act of ending the restrictions would go in hand of loosening or ending other anti Castro embargoes that the U.S. has kept in place since the Cuban Revolution. The sanctions and embargoes have restricted in various ways the free trade between Cuba and other nations of the world, including Canada and Europe. U.S. policies have discouraged and penalized nations that trade with Cuba.

There is a lot of held back demand for tourism and trade with Cuba. If and when the barriers to Cuba are opened by the U.S. by the act of its ending embargoes, a wave of U.S. tourism will flood it and will include all the direct and indirect services associated with the industries, to include pent up Canadian and European interests also, a economic boon for Cuba. It will cut into the Dominican tourist market.

Major investors will be going to Cuba. It is a possibility investors with interests in the D.R., rather than invest some of their capital back into the D.R. they will be turning their eyes and finances to the lucrative Cuba market. Why, build or expand a resort in the D.R. when Cuba will offer more incentives for them there.

It is this scenario the D.R. should be preparing itself for. How to keep its tourism marketshare at a time when Cuba will be the place to visit? Regards, PJT
 

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Yes, the D.R would be affected. Same as Bahamas, Cancun, Puerto Rico and Jamaica. The U.S is a big market and the sun will shine for everyone.

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GRS
 

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I dont see why anyone even if they were allowed would go to Cuba over the Domincan Republic or Puerto Rico .
Americans would I would think not forget the asshole Fidel and his Regime are and have been..
 

Tony C

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lilsam said:
I dont see why anyone even if they were allowed would go to Cuba over the Domincan Republic or Puerto Rico .
Americans would I would think not forget the asshole Fidel and his Regime are and have been..

Every liberal hipocrite in the 50 states will gladly line up for a trip to the "Socialist paradise"!

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lilsam

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Tony,
I have seen autorcities done to some of Fidels citizens like having their whole set of teeth bashed out by rifle butt and other unspeakable thing they did to the Bay of Pigs caputured . I have been asked to buy Cuban Cigars and would not for my friends. I would instead introduce them to Domincan Cigars. I myself for the record am a born North American form the Unted States that has adopted La Republica as my second home.
Ubfortunatly you are probably correct Tony....
 

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Tony C said:


Every liberal hipocrite in the 50 states will gladly line up for a trip to the "Socialist paradise"!

Tony C

I am hardly a liberal but I would like to see the place that has been forbidden to me for travel for my adult life. I was tempted to go there from Mexico and the DR on many occassions but wasn't able to get it together for some reason.

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Andy B

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We've hashd this subject over several times both on this board and on the "other" one that no longer exists. It was the general consensus of most of those then responding to the other threads that Cuba IS the 800 lb. gorilla waiting to trounce on the DR's tourism and if you don't think that most of the American market will flee the DR for the Cuban market you've really got your head buried deep in the sand. Cuba is a much worse economic threat to the DR than is international terrorism.

Before Castro came to power, much of Miami went "south" for the weekends and filled the hotels and casinos of Havana to overflowing. And now with Cuba having been the "forbidden fruit" for so many years, when it opens to Americans with today's ease of travel, they're going to flood it's shores again and forget the DR exists. Personally, I just hope that when this happens, we've already sold our hotel and are completely out of the DR tourism business and are safely retired back in Florida.

If the tourism division of the DR government doesn't wake up soon and really learn how to market this place, it's going to be all over but the shoutin' (or should I say "crying") the day the gorilla wakes.
 

PJT

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Forbidden Fruit

Andy, you have got it right. Watch out when the gorilla awakes.

The D.R. should not be taking out US$ 38 million loans for health services for the legislators. But, rather invest in a market (tourism) that will give something back as opposed to one that will continuously be a drain.

Does the D.R. have the foresight?

Regards, PJT
 

Tony C

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jazzcom said:


I am hardly a liberal but I would like to see the place that has been forbidden to me for travel for my adult life. I was tempted to go there from Mexico and the DR on many occassions but wasn't able to get it together for some reason.

Regards

I am sure you will enjoy staying in a hotel their after all they don't allow any of the locals to enter. That way you won't have to see oppression face to face. Out of sight out of mind right?

Tony C.
 

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Gotta agree with Andy.....

I've talked with many Italians and Canadians who have been to Cuba OUTSIDE of the resorts- mingling with the inhabitants.
They were all impressed with the scenery,beaches, the cleanliness, good lodgings, great food, intelligent (mostly university educated) people including those "damas di dia - *****di noche" (you know what I mean)and low cost of their stays.

Now why would anyone want to come to this country where it's dirty, no sanitation,no drinking water,eroded beaches, and expensive when they can visit a real paradise unspoiled by all the over development that is seen here?
 

Tony C

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Re: Gotta agree with Andy.....

MommC said:
I've talked with many Italians and Canadians who have been to Cuba OUTSIDE of the resorts- mingling with the inhabitants.
They were all impressed with the scenery,beaches, the cleanliness, good lodgings, great food, intelligent (mostly university educated) people including those "damas di dia - *****di noche" (you know what I mean)and low cost of their stays.

Now why would anyone want to come to this country where it's dirty, no sanitation,no drinking water,eroded beaches, and expensive when they can visit a real paradise unspoiled by all the over development that is seen here?

I guess it is just a questions of right and wrong. I, for one, would never visit or support a country as oppressive a Cuba. Included in this list are North Korea, PRC, Iraq, Iran, Zimbabwe, Israel, Mauratania and many others. You on the other hand would support anybody as long as the beaches are nice and the rooms are clean. I understand Nazi Germany had some of the cleanest streets you ever saw!

Tony C
 

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Tony, I agree with you about not supporting an opressive government, but what I think what we are talking about in this thread is what will happen AFTER Castro goes and Cuba changes. As long as there is an oppressive, communist government the American people will not be disposed toward vacationing there. Those Americans that are going there now are not representative of the general US travel market.

MommC has a good point when she cites the well-known drawbacks of a vacation in the DR: dirty, no sanitation, very little potable water, FILTHY beaches, and overpriced; not to mention open prostitution, constant attempts by locals to scam the tourists, and corrupt Politur police and tourism officials. She should have also mentioned the conditions those of us in the tourist industry have to contend with daily: ignorant and surly employees that constantly lie and steal, corrupt government officials, local merchants constantly trying to overcharge us, lack of a continuing, coherent government plan to draw tourists to the DR (and subsequently having to promote it ourselves-my main reason for creating Samana.Net, it certainly isn't profit), unequal application of rules and regulations; the list goes on and on.

Tourists can put up with some deprivations, but too many negatives such as these that affect the quality of a vacation surely portend serious problems, if not the demise of an important part of this country's economy. Without tourism, this place will roll over and play dead. We have enough problems now without having to deal with Cuba further competing with the DR for tourist dollars.
 

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Andy B.
What you say is true. Why do you think less and less Americans tourists travel to the DR? The reasons why so many Candians and Euros go to the DR is because all they care about is cheap!

Tony C.
 

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Well said Andy

I don't condone the oppression in Cuba but we are talking about AFTER Castro. I also don't condone US ownership of foreign countries. Do you think the Americans didn't oppress the average Cuban citizen when they owned most of Havana and most of the agriculture and industries in pre-Castro Cuba???
You are so mis-informed TonyC that you need to take off those US blinkers and open your eyes and mind to the REAL world.
Just because the US thrives on DEMOCRACY rather than communism doesn't mean they are not just oppressive as any communist country!!
The greatest slave nation in history was the US. It took a truly liberated,democratic loving man to abolish one of the forms of oppression the US used to "grow" it's status as a "Democratic" country!

Also there are other places much nicer to visit than the DR that are just as "cheap". Most of us who come here do so for the climate and the people. In fact we "touristas" have a saying that goes like this........"The only good things about the DR are the weather and the friends!"
 

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MommC, better refresh yourself regarding US history: Lincoln freed the slaves only AFTER he (and his Cabinet) realized that the main issue at hand, state's rights, was not emotional enough to rally the northern people into fighting their brothers in the south to keep the union intact. To him it was simply a matter of politics, not of deep, profound belief.

And as regards the US being the greatest slave nation in history, only a small part of the country was activly involved in slave ownership and that was mainly the agricultural sectors, both north and south of the Mason-Dixon line. Far more societies in the world have embraced slavery more so than the US. Even the ancient Romans and Greeks, considered to be the most advanced and revered societies of their times, had slaves. And it wasn't the Americans who primarily traded in slaves, it was European based: primarily the Dutch, Spanish and French who bought the slaves that their own African peoples had already enslaved.

The US as oppressive as communism? That statement is so ludicrous it doesn't deserve a comment.