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    Quote Originally Posted by CFA123 View Post
    I think you’ll find Aeropuerto Internacional del Cibao is privately owned.
    Might be

    is it much of a player in this game --- I don't know

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    POP flights are up just demographics is different
    New Canadian airline coming into DR
    https://jetlines.ca/2019/01/canada-j...blic-airports/

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    From what I hear it is true that airport charges are higher for flights coming into POP than into other airports here. This in turn makes ticket prices higher, which makes the flights less popular, which makes it even less profitable for airlines to come to POP, as they have to reduce their margins to fill their seats. The whole thing is a vicious circle which ends up with fewer airlines coming and bringing fewer visitors.

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    I doubt it's the airport fees by themselves. Airlines fly in here now. They're making a profit or they wouldn't do it.

    The problem is the aging infrastructure, crappy roads, aging AI's, sewage smell everywhere you go, AI's and hotels raising prices to make up for less traffic, and less traffic becuse of the prices being raised.

    The gov't is improving roads, educating about the garbage everywhere, and beginning to advertise the NC. But it ain't going to happen overnight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It's no secret that Cabarete's (and the north coast) tourism is not what it once was. Over the last decade there's been a string of theories as to why. The latest one that I'm hearing from business owners is that POP airport is the most expensive airport in the DR, which is why the airlines are cancelling flights.

    To me that doesn't make a lot of sense.

    What I understand is that airlines identify a route with demand, work a deal with the airports and offer a flight. They in turn charge as much as they can to offer that flight. The free market system ensures that if the prices (and profit) go up enough, that encourages other airlines to add that route which in turn keeps the prices in check - demand and supply.

    So as a result, the flights to POP are being cancelled because there is a lack of demand, and the few flights that remain charge what they can. If there was a demand, then someone would either start offering a connector flight from PUJ, or another flight to POP from wherever the demand is.

    What I am missing that the business owners look at me as if I'm from space when I say this?
    It kind of fits the cultural rhetoric...... it is not our ( anybody you can think of, gvt officials, buisness owners, etc.....) fault tourists dont come back to the NC, it is their fault ( anybody elses except the chosen our ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctrob View Post
    I doubt it's the airport fees by themselves. Airlines fly in here now. They're making a profit or they wouldn't do it.

    The problem is the aging infrastructure, crappy roads, aging AI's, sewage smell everywhere you go, AI's and hotels raising prices to make up for less traffic, and less traffic becuse of the prices being raised.

    The gov't is improving roads, educating about the garbage everywhere, and beginning to advertise the NC. But it ain't going to happen overnight.
    definitely not the fees alone...
    that is an amateur's approach to the problem

    PC offers more, better for less or the same...
    when people flock... air prices drop

    Witness El Catey & JetBlue
    JetBlue didn't abandon the DR.... just a low traffic airport

    They moved the flight to PC
    More $$per seat per mile... which is how airlines live or die

    NYC - AZS was a great flight -- rarely full but they had to drop the price so far it became unprofitable

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    i really do not think it's the airport fees as such. no matter what people say about the numbers of snowbirds and puta chasers flocking to the NC - they are only a drop in the total numbers of tourists arriving to DR. the vast majority of people come here for a brainless fry-in-the-sun holiday. they stay in all inclusive hotels and they stick to them throughout their stay with little more than an occasional excursion. NC has a slim offer for those tourists so there are less flights. it does not attract business travelers either since most major businesses and agencies are located in SD. and NC does not have facilities for holding large conferences either.

    so granted, each european flight i took from/to POP was full to the brim but it was always a type of once/twice a week connection. PUJ and SDQ serve few such flights a day. i guess it makes more sense to keep the connections that are most profitable in terms of regular management of flight crews, planes and so on. i'm sure there are folks here like beeza who know ins and outs of such operations and can comment further on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    So if there was demand for POP, someone would organize a shuttle flight to PUJ
    It's been tried a few times.
    I think the main problem is that airlines run on punctuality.

    Everything and every employee has to be in the right place at the right time,from pilots to passengers,handlers, check in staff,flight attendants,ground staff,fuellers,maintenance staff,functioning ground equipment etc.etc..
    All the documents have to be strictly completed and up-to-date and airport and operating fees paid on time.

    In a country which does not have a culture of timekeeping the result is usually chaos.

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    Lots of factors at play that make the North Coast less attractive the the travel companies and thus lowers the demand for an airline to service the route. In part, are the fees charged at POP. The airport's costs are fixed. If lots of flights to spread those costs around, then overall the fee per flight could be lower. If less flights, the obviously those fees have to be higher per flight.

    Which comes first the flight or the tour package?

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    POP and PUJ had similar or the same landing fees last time I checked. It was a few years ago. Similar to Montego and probably the highest in the Caribbean.

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