The New Dominicana

But ww, the girls going for an edumacation may not consider the "typical" gringo that good a catch. The barrio girls might.

You need to bring a lot more to the table to woo an educated Dominicana than the possibility of a visa.

One hears about the barrio rats and putas (and sankies) taking advantage of gringo/gringas all the time, along with the horror stories of violence and financial disaster. In fact doesn't a group of DR1ers actually have a business that aids those who have been sankified?

But how many times do you hear of a good, university edumacated, professional Dominicana doing the same?

And how many substantial, edumacated grinos have to go to a foreign land to attract a good woman because he can't on his home turf?

The ponds are different as are the fishermen/persons.

One women I know who married a Gringo a few months ago is kinda in that category, although not a university graduate. Probably the smartest thing she did was excel in her English lessons years ago. She told me once she hated DR men, the barrio, that lifestyle. The other really smart thing she did was not have 2 kids by 20 years of age, she has none. She clearly saw a different opportunity via TV, internet etc.

KyleMackey said:

One women I know who married a Gringo a few months ago is kinda in that category, although not a university graduate. Probably the smartest thing she did was excel in her English lessons years ago. She told me once she hated DR men, the barrio, that lifestyle. The other really smart thing she did was not have 2 kids by 20 years of age, she has none. She clearly saw a different opportunity via TV, internet etc.

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I know numerous Dominicanas who have no intention of marrying a "typical" Dominican male with the infidelity, lying, drinking and abuse that often goes along with it.

cobraboy said:

But ww, the girls going for an edumacation may not consider the "typical" gringo that good a catch. The barrio girls might.

You need to bring a lot more to the table to woo an educated Dominicana than the possibility of a visa.

One hears about the barrio rats and putas (and sankies) taking advantage of gringo/gringas all the time, along with the horror stories of violence and financial disaster. In fact doesn't a group of DR1ers actually have a business that aids those who have been sankified?

But how many times do you hear of a good, university edumacated, professional Dominicana doing the same?

And how many substantial, edumacated grinos have to go to a foreign land to attract a good woman because he can't on his home turf?

The ponds are different as are the fishermen/persons.

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Legit men from Gringoland struggle to find women that want to 1) get married 2) have kids a family. Birth rates are down. I could go into more detail but all has to be DR oriented.

KyleMackey said:

I could go into more detail but all has to be DR oriented.

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Yes please....

Bronxboy said:

Yes please....

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The 55 year old foreign male who comes to the DR to pursue a fantasy of acquiring one or two 22 year olds, looks for these opportunities not in the Universities and Churches but in the Clubs, Casinos and tourist traps. Both parties are using the other for personal benefit. That is not a real relationship in my mind. There is no way it can be a partnership of equals it can only ever be an open ended barter agreement.

The same happens in more affluent countries but there, one needs a whole lot more bling to bring to the table to catch and hold onto those fish who have been at it a lot longer than such opportunities have been available here in the DR.

For the locals, its's a shortcut for the lazy, who won't or can't evolve to be attractive to those who do put in the effort. Over time, the lazy and underprivileged will become fewer and fewer and when that happens, the cost for a male foreigner to come and do as they fantasize here will be limited to either those with mega-substantial means or the selection pool of possible willing participants will be so limited that the fantasy bubble bursts when the expectations of an armful of nubiles just can't be met.

william webster said:

Reading our friend LoveintheDR's posts - recently closed....got me thinking

I was ready to wade in when it was shut down but I think the point I will make is valid

Here goes -

All over the world, women of a certain age (like 25-35 for example) have a newer , a different outlook on life.
I have 2 daughters in that bracket

They see the world through different eyes - a different lens
Took Gloria Steinhem almost 3 generations !!

The DR is even more different...

Of course , most conversation here is street girls, barrios and so on... so be it
but there are many, many who seek education and a better life in general
Not necessarily on the coattails of a gringo or Dominicano.

Computer literate ,
These women see the TV, the news, current affairs.
They seek a new, better life .

They won't tolerate the 'old style' relationship....
married to a husband who has several girlfriends

If I have heard it once... I've heard it a million times...
The DR is too Macho... too male dominated....
They know it.... and they don't like it

Our friend seeking poster ... might be on to something

Easy to get girls at the bars etc.
But the real catches might be at the Colegios and Universidades
It won't be as easy as 'Eye Contact'....
But the payoff might be better.

A local friend explained it this way
The poorer the Dominicana.... the more she looks like that...
as she pointed to the strutting, shapely young girl on the sidewalk...
One anybody would ogle ....

I have to say - that made sense

Just my thoughts...

Don't bother flaming me...
I really don't care

Just an opinion......

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Thank William Webster, I came in here asking posters here opinions knowing I don’t have all the answers. But seeking posters their point of views.

I’ve always wanted to create my account on DR1, but I never was able to find the time, and I noticed less and less is written about relationship in DR, from the point of view of a foreigner living in the DR, or like me having interests in a Dominicana there. Most of the posts were written in the past, very interesting reads, the reading was very exciting, a page turner. Lol

I could write all day describing all the angst, doubts, and suspicion that happens to a man dating a native Dominicana, because it’s happening with me, I’m living the situation. But I never wanted to come here and talk about it, because this subject as Cdn_Gringo and Bronxboy mentioned as been beaten to death on DR1. I know that's right, because I read all those threads and posters comments. But just because is been beaten/written down to death here on DR1, doesn't mean the subject is not interesting or relevant.


What made me want to now create my DR1 user name and intro, because concurrently, there’s the unfortunate death of the Dutch man, set up by his native Dominican wife. And the many posters on this forum saying how it’s best not to marry these Dominicanas, in this developing country.

I’m not going to judge this Dutch man past, but of course there’s that porn sex tape of him and his wife out there. How can a wife really love and respect a man that create and distributes their porn together. Was that the hidden motive for her murderous intent? There’s stuff out there saying she was married before to a gringo, and he died in some kind of mysterious circumstances as well. She fairly young, and she married the Dutch man at 18, so at what age was she married to this other dude? (So a prior marriage before the Dutch husband doesn’t seem likely to me.)

Now, at the same time reading DR1 on this subject, something that has been in the works for months is a YouTube channel I’m creating, about finding love in the DR. Because I’m personally tired of the country being portrayed and used as an outlet for sex tourism. This image makes the genuine Dominican women who are not putas, immediately suspected as one, primarily the common belief of men that go there to pay4play.

Some here might say I’m using this forum to promote or plug my channel. That wasn’t and is not the case. It’s that I have developed my own ideas, read countless other opinions on various forums about Dominican Republic, DR1 being one of them for over a year as I stated in my intro thread, because I'm getting to know a special Dominicana in that way.

Can I use the readers here as subscribers and followers? Of course, what YouTube creator would say no to that?

But, before I ever entertained the thought of ever creating my YouTube channel, and coming up with the idea, I’ve read all the DR1 countless threads, every comment of those threads—topics on sankies, Mars and Venus, on prostitution in DR etc, because I was getting to know my Dominicana, so I was seeking knowledge about DR and its culture etc. So no one here can say I’m just a new member of DR1 just for my YouTube. I have always been an active reader, just not a member, until now.

And for William Webster to create this new thread, it shows that finding true love in the DR is never a “boring” or pointless conversation to have. Especially when there’s as many lonely men from the USA seeking a wife other from the USA, as there are genuine Dominicanas seeking marriage from lonely men from the USA.

cobraboy said:

But ww, the girls going for an edumacation may not consider the "typical" gringo that good a catch. The barrio girls might.

You need to bring a lot more to the table to woo an educated Dominicana than the possibility of a visa.

One hears about the barrio rats and putas (and sankies) taking advantage of gringo/gringas all the time, along with the horror stories of violence and financial disaster. In fact doesn't a group of DR1ers actually have a business that aids those who have been sankified?

But how many times do you hear of a good, university edumacated, professional Dominicana doing the same?

And how many substantial, edumacated grinos have to go to a foreign land to attract a good woman because he can't on his home turf?

The ponds are different as are the fishermen/persons.

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Well I'm educated gringo, that's getting know a special Dominicana, that attends college in the biggest University in Santo Domingo. I assume you know the one I'm talking about. Anyway, have you really noticed that there's a movement out there that men are kind of tired of American women? The feminist movement, "I don't need a man, I'm independent" women is the predominant psyche out there.

My story is a little different, the reasoning, me liking Dominicanas, because I've always had an affinity for them ever since I was a young man in the 90's, never was able to attain one, or dedicate myself to actually finding a wife there until now(like learning Spanish and dancing bachata maybe lol).

AlterEgo said:

Love, bear in mind that before you consider posting info about your YouTube channel, you need to message Dolores about an ad.

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I keep that in mind, thanks! I'm sure if the channel is interesting, entertaining and informative, it would build itself organically.

KyleMackey said:

Legit men from Gringoland struggle to find women that want to 1) get married 2) have kids a family. Birth rates are down. I could go into more detail but all has to be DR oriented.

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After my first wife died I dated a number of attractive Canadian women. They either didn't like my baggage( two sons aged 8 and 10) or they had emotional or mental health issues. A guy I worked with was married to a Mexican girl and she told me I needed a Latina. My wife comes from a background of poverty like many Dominicans but she pulled herself out of poverty with drive and education. Not that north American women are not women, but Dominican women want to take care of their man. A little hard to put into words but it is different.

This is my age group and that of nearly all Dominican women that I know. They (relatively educated Dominicanas in this age category) aren't interested in the typical, traditional role of previous generations in the least.
My mother-in-law takes pride in catering to her family, hand and foot. Her job is the cooking, cleaning, child-rearing, washing, and shopping. Her husband helps now and then, mostly with daily dishes and weekly laundry. But he is retired and very much retires to Dominoes, walks to the malecon, visiting, and riding his bike.
Their daughter has a university degree and just turned 30. She has a mediocre job, and does okay. She's not wealthy but she wouldn't quit her job to stay home when she could work to buy herself nice things. Would she fall into her mother's role for anybody? Not in a million years.

Boiling water is easy.

Just throw it in the microwave.

AlterEgo said:

There are 7 granddaughters in our family. Three were raised in the USA, so I’ll eliminate them.

Eldest became an engineer, was headhunted to Oklahoma about 13 years ago. Married an American engineer coworker who’s also in the US Army. Three kids. Can’t cook at all, nothing, despite the fact that her mother is a fabulous cook (and career woman too). Owns homes in Oklahoma, North Carolina and St Croix, where they live, work and own a small business that others run.

Next is about 30, university degree, gorgeous, no kids, can’t boil water. Just got married in January to a Dominican who adores her, has a good job (as she does), and he does all the cooking.

Next is her sister, mid 20s. Good job. Single, no kids, long time Dominican boyfriend with excellent job. Can’t cook either.

Last is mid 20s, could have been a model but became a lawyer instead. Married to Dominican with good job, they’re expecting first child. I’m not sure, but I’d bet she’s not much better of a cook either.

Now, is it because these girls were raised with a cook, even though their mothers were probably better cooks than the hired help? Maybe. Sounds reasonable. But my daughter, born and raised in the USA, had less than zero interest in learning how to cook. We certainly never had kitchen help, and I cooked every meal, mostly from scratch, so she had the role model they didn’t. Lots of take out, frozen meals, etc. in their house.

So that leaves the generation WW speaks of to blame.

Oddly enough, our son (MBA, own business) loves to cook. Thank God, because the woman he married (critical care/icu doctor) can’t boil water either. Mid 30s.

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My wife's mother was a cook for the Mirabals (uncle of las mariposas) for 25 years and my wife learned to cook from her. She prefers to let her mother do the cooking and the only thing she does is prepare a salad for us at night. She is, however, is a decent cook. I like to cook and both my sons are very good cooks. My daughter in law ( Chinese) grew up not cooking but my son taught her how to cook western food and when she went home to China for three months her grandmother ( Chinese Campesina) taught her how to cook Northern Chinese food. My brother's Cuban wife makes deserts he does the rest. I know plenty of Dominican guys that like cooking and are good at it. Most of our teachers (aged 20-35) get take out food for breakfast and lunch. Our secretary at one school has her husband do the cooking because he is a 7 day Adventist and prefers his food prepared the way he does it. I think like anywhere else in the world where you have a large part of the female population working long hours outside the home you have less doing the cooking at home. The use of maids and cooks for the middle class and up probably a major factor in girls neither cooking or knowing how.