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    http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/ve....aspx?Id=30396


    Félix García is 100% + correct. Whoever is in charge of the POP to Navarette road work should have been fired along time ago. It is indeed criminal (and it is likely corruption and theft have occurred on this project on a monumental scale)

    Not only is the work agonizingly slow, it is also shoddy and several lives have been lost because of poor traffic control or vehicles losing control encountering the rough conditions.

    My advice is bring in foreign road contracting companies that could have done this work to a pristine world standard of roadway construction in 18 months - not 6 years, or however long it has been. Heck I bet Haiti could build a better road and way faster if given the money wasted on this boondoggle.

    This disastrous project is seen by thousands of tourists weekly and the fact it services the routes to Santiago and Puerto Plata from the Amber Cove port is showing the world visitors a fine example of a real Dominican cluster-f*ck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico bill View Post
    http://www.puertoplatadigital.com/ve....aspx?Id=30396


    Félix García is 100% + correct. Whoever is in charge of the POP to Navarette road work should have been fired along time ago. It is indeed criminal (and it is likely corruption and theft have occurred on this project on a monumental scale)

    Not only is the work agonizingly slow, it is also shoddy and several lives have been lost because of poor traffic control or vehicles losing control encountering the rough conditions.

    My advice is bring in foreign road contracting companies that could have done this work to a pristine world standard of roadway construction in 18 months - not 6 years, or however long it has been. Heck I bet Haiti could build a better road and way faster if given the money wasted on this boondoggle.

    This disastrous project is seen by thousands of tourists weekly and the fact it services the routes to Santiago and Puerto Plata from the Amber Cove port is showing the world visitors a fine example of a real Dominican cluster-f*ck.
    is the rate of loss of life greater with the road works, or before they were undertaken? do you have, er, data?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the gorgon View Post
    is the rate of loss of life greater with the road works, or before they were undertaken? do you have, er, data?
    No and I don't intend to research it, but I have read at least 4 incidents attributable to road construction - a couple moto accidents and a couple car rollovers. And I am sure I have only read a fraction of incidents.

    In any even you must travel that road searching for cars in Santiago ? You know it has taken way too long for basically a road resurfacing project

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico bill View Post
    No and I don't intend to research it, but I have read at least 4 incidents attributable to road construction - a couple moto accidents and a couple car rollovers. And I am sure I have only read a fraction of incidents.

    In any even you must travel that road searching for cars in Santiago ? You know it has taken way too long for basically a road resurfacing project
    actually, i am absolutely ignorant of what it entails to construct a road. i have no idea of the engineering feats which are required. i do not know anything about terrain, drainage, soil and substrate composition. i do not know anything about laws like eminent domain, and how they function, so i do not know how long it takes to get a colmado out of the way of a back hoe. i do not know anything about the political realities, such as which politician and his primos get the heavy equipment contracts.

    therefore, i am unable to state, with conviction informed by knowledge, if the construction is slow, BY DOMINICAN STANDARDS. and yes, when i have to go to Santiago i would like to spend less time on the bus. however, the question remains..

    is is less safe?

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    I think back home I heard somewhere that the going price for one Km of new road was about $1 million. That is with quality aggregate and decent asphalt being available close by. The DR uses caliche for the most part and I don't think that is the best choice for a roadbed. Of course, readily available quality asphalt is not an option here either. I doubt the DR can afford the North American pavement Mafia so we get what we get. It takes so long to complete new roads here because long before the new road is finished, they have to start the repairs resulting from poor materials, lax construction practices and overweight vehicles.

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    My guess is that the project is going at the exact pace the PLD wants it, the ribbon-cutting just in time for the elections.

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    many years ago, perhaps around 2006, or thereabouts, there was a stretch of road from the entrance of La Roca to roughly the now defunct night club Scape. nobody seemed to be able to fix it. a crew would do some makeshift repairs very time it became impassable, and that would hold for a few months, only to revert to disaster.

    in 2006, a road and highway specialist, who had built numerous stretches in the US mainland, and Puerto Rico, watched the attempts at repair, and told the foreman type that they were making essential mistakes, and the repairs would not hold.

    predictably, the forman told him to bugger off, and mind his business.

    predictably, in 6 months, the road could not be used.

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    As an engineer I have built many roads new and reconstructed.
    Road standards here are extremely poor - not the worst in the world but never built to last.
    Weak and poorly compacted base and subbase courses, inadequate drainage and poor asphalt placement , often placed cool with no binder all contribute to rapidly disintegrating conditions.

    But this POP-Navarette road resurfacing (widening) should have been completed years ago. It's a real career job for some to get on road works because 4 projects could comprise your whole career !

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    I can get you a CAT-ap1055 "delivered" here for 245.000U.S (wheeled paver) but if you don't put in the correct mix you may as well be spreading bread crumbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico bill View Post
    As an engineer I have built many roads new and reconstructed.
    Road standards here are extremely poor - not the worst in the world but never built to last.
    Weak and poorly compacted base and subbase courses, inadequate drainage and poor asphalt placement , often placed cool with no binder all contribute to rapidly disintegrating conditions.

    But this POP-Navarette road resurfacing (widening) should have been completed years ago. It's a real career job for some to get on road works because 4 projects could comprise your whole career !
    By first world standards it had taken a long time.
    During the endless construction the road seems even more dangerous that before construction started.
    What's worse is that Dominican highways do not last very long.
    Soooo, even when the road is finished it will soon fall apart.
    Part of the problem is the lack of regulation of truck loads.
    If you look at some of the big trucks you see the rear axles are bent such that the tires wobble.
    The load required to bend the axles has to be enormous.
    No highway could stand up to the massive truck over loading that is the norm here.
    Terrible roads is just part of life here and will not improve in the foreseeable future.
    I am happy each day the lights, water and Internet work.
    If I have to drive the PP to Navarette road I try and pick a light traffic day, go slow and only travel in the day time.

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