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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Bosch View Post
    Excellent news....lets hope Leonel looses along with the PLD.....country needs new fresh faces....
    That is something that will not happen for a long time. The DR will have PLD for a lot more time, with or without Leonel.

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    So true, everything changes with a new party because everyone works for a "botella" , if works is the right word.
    Chaos everywhere, just like when Mr Potato Head (aka Hippolito and this countries version of W) was elected could indeed happen.

    Albinadar had an interest in the old resort property that started, but stopped, renovations near Perla Marina. Will he win? I have no idea. Is Leonel running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matilda View Post
    While a party change on the face of it is a great idea, it brings chaos along with it. Anyone else remember when Hipolito came into power? The key problem is that the DR has no independent civil service - those who work in government positions are supporters of the government in power, so all of those would go and be replaced. The problem is that the incoming people have no idea how to do the job, not having done it before, so getting anything official done becomes a nightmare until they learn to do their jobs - which can take a long while.

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    4,000 gubment hacks soon to be on the streets.

    Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the gorgon View Post
    absolutely important observation. in British caribbean territories, civil servants are not political appointees. there are people who work in Pensions, The Treasury, and other government bureaucracies who have been there all their working lives. governments come, and governments go, but they remain constant. those workers know everything there is to know about the jobs, and are as proficient as can be expected.

    in the DR, even the cleaning ladies get changed when the government changes. jobs are political payoffs, and have less than zero to do with competence. that is why trying to get anything done in a government department is a harrowing adventure...nobody knows anything.
    Just learned something new...friggin totally inefficient...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the gorgon View Post
    absolutely important observation. in British caribbean territories, civil servants are not political appointees. there are people who work in Pensions, The Treasury, and other government bureaucracies who have been there all their working lives. governments come, and governments go, but they remain constant. those workers know everything there is to know about the jobs, and are as proficient as can be expected.

    in the DR, even the cleaning ladies get changed when the government changes. jobs are political payoffs, and have less than zero to do with competence. that is why trying to get anything done in a government department is a harrowing adventure...nobody knows anything.

    Not quite true for the DR, gg.

    The is a sort of ipso facto unofficial civil service here. It's the ones who do the actual work while the botellas do their thing.

    In every govt. office there are those chosen untouchable few who do the work done and do not worry about admin changes.

    I have met many of them through the years because of my free zone work and most are still acquaintances who I deal with weekly and have been in those offices for 20+ years. (the stories I could tell!)

    You get rid of those folks and it truly would be chaos.

    The ones that get switched out are the botellas.

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    Also the Ministers and departmental heads, change and that can cause chaos when they try and bring in some of their people and they change the rules. When Roberto Rosario was taken out of the JCE and replaced by Castaños Guzmán literally nothing happened. Divorces we were sorting just sat there for six months and friends of mine who work at the JCE said it was a total mess as new rules for the Civil Registry were brought in on a daily basis.

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    Nothing great beyond expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the gorgon View Post
    absolutely important observation. in British caribbean territories, civil servants are not political appointees. there are people who work in Pensions, The Treasury, and other government bureaucracies who have been there all their working lives. governments come, and governments go, but they remain constant. those workers know everything there is to know about the jobs, and are as proficient as can be expected.

    in the DR, even the cleaning ladies get changed when the government changes. jobs are political payoffs, and have less than zero to do with competence. that is why trying to get anything done in a government department is a harrowing adventure...nobody knows anything.
    Ditto GG. In Canada ministers are political appointments but they come and go like the wind. Deputy minister on down are civil service appointments, the people who do the work regardless of who is in power. Our federal government echos the British system as do many Caribbean islands. I actually prefer it to the Republic system. The DR Republic system seems to be in a state of constant chaos.

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