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    Quote Originally Posted by Conchman View Post
    They are very smart and have long term plans to spread their influence, control, and sovereignty all over the world. You just have to look at what they are doing in the South China Sea, where they are currently using hundreds of dredgers at the same time on different reefs, to make islands out of them. Its called the 9 dash line plan. They plan on using these islands not to claim fishing rights or navigational rights, but to claim that this is legal territory of China (they have already claimed this for 100 years) and thereby control all traffic through the S. China Sea where currently 1/3rd of all shipping passes. Of course they cannot implement this until they get hegemony of the Pacific via their Navy, so they have a long way to go, but their first aircraft carrier will be functional soon and they are installing anti-ship missile bases and military landing strips on these fake islands, as we speak. In a few years US aircraft carriers will not be able to pass these islands due to their missile capabilities. WW3 will start here, I am convinced. Its just a matter of when.
    China has always been very imperialistic. My Chinese Daughter in law convinced me of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chico bill View Post
    For the $600 million the Chinese gave for electrical power won't even upgrade the North Coast. Just look at how much the new power plants built by Odebrecht cost. Heck that even cost $40 million in bribes, much of which went to one of the presidential candidates now running
    The Dominican government has not yet taken the US$600 million loan from China.

    "Zhang said that the US$600 million loan approved by the Chinese government for the improvement of distribution lines depends on the Dominican government. He said it needs to be approved through legal mechanisms, including feasibility studies and a tender be called so that Chinese companies can participate. “The ball is in the court of the Dominican government,” he said."

    From DR1 Daily News 14 January 2020

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    The DR Govt does not see upgrading the electrical grid as a priority otherwise they would have started that process already in measured stages.

    Dangling a $600 million loan carrot in front of the horse, the bulk of which will likely go to Chinese companies is like dangling a credit card in front of the homeless gathered at the soup kitchen for lunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolores View Post
    The Dominican government has not yet taken the US$600 million loan from China.

    "Zhang said that the US$600 million loan approved by the Chinese government for the improvement of distribution lines depends on the Dominican government. He said it needs to be approved through legal mechanisms, including feasibility studies and a tender be called so that Chinese companies can participate. “The ball is in the court of the Dominican government,” he said."

    From DR1 Daily News 14 January 2020
    If the DR government accepts the loan, defaults, and becomes a pawn of Chinese hegemony in the Caribbean, the US could institute an isolationist policy against the DR, similar to what they have done with Cuba. Imagine the impact of a US tourism embargo on the DR economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdn_Gringo View Post
    The DR Govt does not see upgrading the electrical grid as a priority otherwise they would have started that process already in measured stages.

    Dangling a $600 million loan carrot in front of the horse, the bulk of which will likely go to Chinese companies is like dangling a credit card in front of the homeless gathered at the soup kitchen for lunch.
    ... or giving a 16 year old a bottle of vodka and the car keys. ©P.J. O'Rourke

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    The upgrading of the grid is an ongoing process, currently funded by other loans not chinese.


    https://dominicantoday.com/dr/econom...ricity-sector/

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    The Chinese offer of a US$600 million loan for electricity transmission projects was a reward for breaking diplomatic relations with Taiwan. The Chinese might already have gotten all they wanted with their offer.
    The deal was agreed at a lower interest rate than for most loans, followed the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries in November 2018.

    It remains to see if the Dominican government actually agrees to the terms and takes the loan.

    For those who think this proposed loan is a trojan horse to takover the DR electric sector, I do not agree.
    Breaking with Taiwan were the main goal.


    From news May 2018 regarding DR breaking with Taiwan

    Taiwans foreign ministry said the Dominican Republic had accepted "false promises of investment and aid by China".

    Taipei also "strongly condemns China's objectionable decision to use dollar diplomacy to convert Taiwan's diplomatic allies".
    The Dominican Republic said it believed the switch would be "extraordinarily positive for the future of our country" and that it recognised Taiwan as "an inalienable part of the Chinese territory".









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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdn_Gringo View Post
    The DR Govt does not see upgrading the electrical grid as a priority otherwise they would have started that process already in measured stages.

    Dangling a $600 million loan carrot in front of the horse, the bulk of which will likely go to Chinese companies is like dangling a credit card in front of the homeless gathered at the soup kitchen for lunch.
    I do not think the homeless will wait two years before grabbing the credit card.....

    The overall plan for the electric sector and ongoing work the last years can be digged into here,
    if one is interested in facts.

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    Results speak louder than the printed intentions. While I do have to admit, the anecdotal evidence of late in my neighborhood seems to suggest that power failures are fewer and further apart, it is clear that the infrastructure in my neighborhood is still subject to complete collapse by a flock of passing hummingbirds.

    The delivered voltage to my house fluctuates all day long. The condition of the wires, poles and transformers is clearly worn. There is no redundancy within the transmission system and maintenance before a failure is a rarity. Aluminum wiring connected to copper wiring, almost zero grounding, a shared common neutral wire for an entire neighborhood, the list of deficiencies and poor practices goes on and on. Saying that things have improved a bit may be true but there is so far to go it won't be completed in my lifetime. Current practices still are not inherently safe for the consumer - people still get electrocuted from time to time walking down the street or in their homes. Sometimes, it's their own faulty but most of the time poor equipment, dangerous practices and zero electrical inspection/standards is squarely to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etolw View Post
    The Chinese offer of a US$600 million loan for electricity transmission projects was a reward for breaking diplomatic relations with Taiwan. The Chinese might already have gotten all they wanted with their offer.
    The deal was agreed at a lower interest rate than for most loans, followed the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries in November 2018.

    It remains to see if the Dominican government actually agrees to the terms and takes the loan.

    For those who think this proposed loan is a trojan horse to takover the DR electric sector, I do not agree.
    Breaking with Taiwan were the main goal.


    From news May 2018 regarding DR breaking with Taiwan

    Taiwans foreign ministry said the Dominican Republic had accepted "false promises of investment and aid by China".

    Taipei also "strongly condemns China's objectionable decision to use dollar diplomacy to convert Taiwan's diplomatic allies".
    The Dominican Republic said it believed the switch would be "extraordinarily positive for the future of our country" and that it recognised Taiwan as "an inalienable part of the Chinese territory".








    That's like recognizing the DR as an inalienable part of Haiti.

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