Ok Jane have at me once more...

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Interesting History

Next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water
temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to
be.

Here are some facts about the 1500s.

Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in
May
and still smelled pretty good by June. However, they were starting to
smell
so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor.
Hence the custom of carrying a bouquet when getting married.

Baths consisted of big tubs filled with hot water. The man of the house
had
the privilege of nice clean water, then all the other sons and men,
then the
women and finally the children - last of all the babies. By then
the water
was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it - hence the saying,
"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."

Houses had thatched roofs - thick straw - piled high, with no wood
underneath.
It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the dogs, cats and
other
small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became
slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof -
hence
the saying, "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This
posed a
real problem where bugs and other droppings could really mess up your
clean
bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top
afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt.
Hence the
saying, "Dirt poor."

The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when
wet,
so they spread thresh (straw) on the floor to help keep their footing.
As the
winter wore on, they kept adding more thresh until, when you opened the
door
it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the
entranceway - hence a "thresh hold."

In those old days they cooked in a kitchen with a big kettle that always
hung
over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot.
They
ate mostly vegetables and didn't get much meat. They would eat the
stew for
dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then
start
over the next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been
there for
quite a while hence the rhyme, "Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold,
peas
porridge in the pot, nine days old."

Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special.
When
visitors came, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a
sign of
wealth that the man could "bring home the bacon." They would cut off a
little
to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat."

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content
caused some of the lead to leach into the food, causing lead
poisoning and
death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next
400 years or so
tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom
of the
loaf, family got the middle and guests got the top or "upper crust."

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would
sometimes
knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road
would take
them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on
the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather
around
and eat and drink and wait to see if they would wake up - hence the
custom
of holding a "wake."

England is old and small and local folks started running out of places
to
bury people. They would dig up coffins and would take the bone to the
"bone-house" and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out
of 25
were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they
had
been burying people alive. They would tie a string on the wrist of the
corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie
it to
bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night
(graveyard
shift) to listen for the bell, thus someone would be "saved > > > by the
bell"
or was considered a "dead ringer."
and that's the truth...whoever said that history was boring!!!!!!
 

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Wheee - here we go...

June weddings: Please see The Bad Old Days - Weddings & Hygiene

Baby and the bath water: This is derived from an old German proverb - please see DeProverbio.com

It's raining cats & dogs: This is gross, but in the 17th century heavy rains often carried dead animals through the streets. Also, cats and dogs have always had an association to bad weather and the occult; witches were thought to transform themselves into cats and the Norse storm god, Odin, was always surrounded by dogs. Cats = rain, dogs = winds.

Threshold: The word "thresh" meant to stamp on, or to trample. It has never been used as a noun, only a verb, thus disproving the above. The "hold" part is of origin unknown - the word threshold dates back to 1000 AD and maybe even earlier!

Canopy beds: Please see The Bad Old Days - Canopy beds

Dirt Poor, Chew the Fat, and Bring Home the Bacon: All dealt with here

Upper Crust: There has not been any proof of bread ever having been sliced horizontally so.....it's probably a ref. to pie crusts; the top crust being above everything else.

Wake:This word is from the Old English waecan, meaning "be awake", and is transcended from the Old Norse word vaka, which meant "vigil".

Saved by the bell: People would arrange for this string to be hooked up to the bell in advance, for fear of being buried alive. Funny, though, how often we are "saved by the bell" all these years later - the telephone, doorbell, sports, school.....

Dead ringer: The ringer was a horse used to fool bookies, "dead", in this instance, would mean "exact" not dead dead.

Ex: You were dead wrong about most of the above.
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BTW, jazz, I need to talk to you about Tetris.........
 
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In the heydays of sailing ships the ships carried iron cannons that fired round iron cannon balls.It was necessary to keep a good supply near the cannons,in order to prevent them from rolling around the deck a storage method was devised as follows,a square based pyramid with 1 ball resting on 4 balls resting on 9 balls resting on 16 balls.Thus 30 balls could be stored in a small area next to the cannon.The only remaining problem was how to prevent the bottom layer from rolling ,the solution was a metal plate with 16 indentations which was called a monkey,however if made from iron the balls would rust so the solution was to make it from brass.Now a little known fact is that brass contracts much faster than iron in cold weather so when the temperature dropped excessively the indentations would shrink and the cannon balls would roll off the monkey.
Thus came the saying *cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey:bandit:
 

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Meaning: Very cold weather conditions.

Origin: Uncertain origin. Some references say that the brass rings that supported stacks of cannonballs on sailing ships were called monkeys and that in cold weather the rings contracted and the balls fell off. No one has been able to provide evidence that the supports were called monkeys though, or that they were made of brass. Also, the amount of contraction would be minimal and the cause of much less movement than the normal swaying of the ships.

Also, apparently the original saying was "Cold enough to freeze the tail off a brass monkey"

Brass Monkey, That Funky Monkey...
 
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Okezz...

... hopefully I have a nuttcracker for you here. Here we go!

The famous Russian square in Moscow is called the "Red Square". Why is this translation, from historical point of view, not correct?

Let's see if you can shine your light onto this matter before I'll give away the answer. :) Good luck!
 

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The word "red" doesn't refer to the color of the bricks or to Communism. In Russian, the square is called Krasnaya Ploschad. The word krasnaya means both "red" and "beautiful, fine, the best". The latter (Ploschad) refers to St. Basil's Cathedral at the southern end of the square.

Woooo hooooo! (I hope I'm right)
 
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Poetin

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:confused: I'm shocked... What are you doing in reallife? Teaching History? ;)

A small remark though (I'm just nitpicking :) ). The word krasnaja in old Russian means "beautiful" and indeed "red". In "new" Russian (as of the ~20th century) this word has been substituted with the word krasiwaja, thus avoiding mishaps like the one with the "Red Square". The word krasnaja still excists and now only refers to the color red. :)

New one for you: How did the Russian scientists find out which level/dosis of radiation is harmfull to humans in what way?
 

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Nope...

... it has a history close to the Russian military.

BTW, how's your aviation knowledge? If you think that you're up to it then I always can "give you a run for your money" (hint). :D
 

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Poetin, I have no idea. Really - can't find any mention of this anywhere...

(And my aviation knowledge? Is non-existent...)
 

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@Jane J:
The early nuclear subs were subject to many reactorfaults which had to be repaired by hand. The sailors were usually sent in without any protective clothing. That's how the scientists began to see a pattern and worked out an early dosescheme.

Could you please tell me where the following saying comes from?
"I'll give you a run for your money here!"

Thanks!
 

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A fascinating thread!! Just a thought. I like the thing about the brass monkey. Makes sense. The little boys that handles the bags of powder were called "Powder Monkeys" Little tykes of 11 or 12 years of age, so they could run around between decks, servicing the cannons...

HB
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JaneJ: You continue to absolutely amaze me..not that it should, mind you...
 

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An old British professor of mine told me that every day, English sailors were alloted a shot of gin.

To make sure the gin hadn't been stolen and the missing gin replaced with water (watered down), they would light it to see if it burned. At about 50% alcohol, it would burn, any less and it would not. The burning was considered 100% proof that the gin hadn't been watered down, so 50% became 100 proof.
 

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Now that is extremely important to know...thanks...
hic!...errr where am I? hic?

hB
BANJO.GIF
 

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Could you please tell me where the following saying comes from?
"I'll give you a run for your money here!"

Poetin, I've looked around and can't find it...I always assumed it was a horse-racing thing.
 

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Here's one

As a child living in DR, I heard a guy on tv say that safacon (trashcan) came about from the english equivalent "safe can". I always thought that was interesting.
 

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ok, since the phrase is getting...

...more and more usage here, how about the origins of "sock puppet" ?

the only thing that comes to mind for me, every time i see it used, is the infamous encore at the redhot chilli peppers' concert.

so if anyone is able to help remove the image of a multi-persona'd DR1 poster-- sitting in front of their keyboard, clad only in a strategically placed white tube sock-- from my brain, i would be extremely grateful.

mob,
:classic: as always.
 
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JOHNNY HONDA

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Shit now i got that image in my brain and its a fat ugly overweight geek wearing only a sock and a smile thanks for creating more psycological damage to an already severly disturbed person