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Thank all of you that helped with information. He is out and only cost (650.00 Us) to get him out.
Pay and get out of Dodge right. Well he has done very well there and will continue to do so.This boy come down there in June last year and this is a first asking me for help. I am very proude to have a son working and paying his way at the age of 18. As for the ones that think he should get out where do you think you found all the answers? What gives you the right to decide this for someone else you do not know nothing about? And for the drug problem you must have a big one to assume that jail is drugs. Well i said in my first post it was not but still you have to lay it on others from out side your little country. You all must think Dominicans would never do drugs just outsiders do drugs. WRONG YOU ARE> Stand up with a little backbone and say it. Dominicans are drug users also. Some of you people on here are so stupid with out a clue to what is truly going on. And then the office chair potato nothing better than to bad mouth others.
I have sent money to this country for 5 years And felt it was doing good. I send it to help the kids every year. Now the ones that say just pay and go on must think it comes from trees but this came from the kids. NOw some little crying eyes will not have so much this year. AND MOST OF YOU THINK THIS JAIL IS JUST BUSINESS> Well it is a dirty way to cheet people and you all cry for help. WOW I SEE THE REAL dominican people. Now i just sent it to a curupet police and attorny
 
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George

George you are reading between the lines in the posts. "I hope your son wasn't arrested for a drug-related offense." was a quote/ made not an insinuation.
I really saw no where anyone said that drugs were involved, it was a question, you answered "NO".<br> Your quote: "As for the ones that think he should get out where do you think you found all the answers?" It was only peoples opinions that after he gets out of jail maybe he should leave the country and not take a chance with the law and the corruption again.
If you ask a question on this board expect to get answers from all different perspectives, some you may not like. If you don't like the answers why even ask the question. It is time to bite the bullet and not rant about the answeres received. Many took the time to find phone numbers so you could contact someone and get some help. <br> <img src="http://www.animations.dabsol.co.uk/Silly/electric.gif"><br> If in event you ever needed help again, those who tried certainly will not be there for you in the future.
 
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Wow, what a change. Now that your son is out of jail and you feel you no longer need help, you attack those that tried to help you.

The people like myself that respond to questions, etc., are volunteers with experience in the Dominican Republic. I, for example, have lived here 16 years and Hillbilly, another one on your sh**t list has lived here 40. When we get a question like yours, with no other information about the individuals involved, all we can do is respond in a general way based on our experience. And the information we give is meant to help.

I see that you now have 6 posts, most if not all of them related to the problem of your son. In other words, you have taken from the board but have given nothing except verbal abuse of those who tried to help you.

This board has gotten along quite well without you George, and I hope that next time you need help that you will look to some other source. The posters on this board have long memories.
 
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George said:
Thank all of you that helped with information. He is out and only cost (650.00 Us) to get him out.
Pay and get out of Dodge right. Well he has done very well there and will continue to do so.This boy come down there in June last year and this is a first asking me for help.
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This is a pretty inexplicable updated posting George considering the effort spent by DR1 people to offer you assistance or advice in a crisis.

Regardless of why he was in jail nobody said it was drugs after you said it wasn't.

I am not sure I would categorize someone who has been in country for only 18 months and winds up in jail and you have to bail him out as doing all that well. I know many people there for years and they have not even encountered the police let alone be locked up.

If he is considered an easy target for being picked up and put in jail then he probably is still at risk of it happening again now that the money clearly can come through. To pay the corrupt people you mention, that is.

I am not sure how the lawyer that gets him out is corrupt if he is just paying the fine or bribe or whatever on behalf of you and your son.

I guess I'd recommend if you need other advice or he gets in worse trouble again ask elsewhere.
 
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George said:
Thank all of you that helped with information. He is out and . As for the ones that think he should get out where do you think you found all the answers? What gives you the right to decide this for someone else you do
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I'm a bit of a novice here, but I believe the people of this board were trying to tell you that if your son was unjustly imprisoned once, it could very well happen again, especially now that he local police know they can extort dollars from you
 
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George said:
Thank all of you that helped with information. He is out and only cost (650.00 Us) to get him out.
........ I am very proude to have a son working and paying his way at the age of 18.



so you paying to bail him out is an illustration of your son's ability to 'work and pay his way out at 18'? if he can't save his own behind out of jail and needs your help... well, in that case I would call that a kid that is not fully capable of taking care of himself (independently, without daddy's help).

just my two cents

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Jim Hinsch

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George,

Please tell the story before people speculate the worst.
While it is typical to have to pay to get out of jail, regardless of the charges, that is usually to speed up the process of "investigation", not to actually be set free. Like a choice of pay now and get out tomorrow, or don't pay and it could take a week or more before you get out. That's if no charges are to be brought.

In my experience however, the a gringo is the last person the police will arrest unless it involves a real crime or a traffic accident. They are much better at extorting money from those who obviously have it by locking up their significant others.

I have paid for freedom for friends in the past. One time a guy I know was in the street with his wife. The police arrested his wife. He argued with the police, so they arrested him too. He resisted, so they charged him with assaulting an officer. I payed US$60 at the time and he was set free the next day.

But, it was how I paid that was funny. A whole crowd gathered as they were both walked over to the jail, just 2 blocks away. There I am in the middle of a crowd of about 30 or 40 people, and a policeman comes out of the station, points directly at ME, and motions me inside. There, my friend was crying, saying because he has a prior history of trouble, this time he's going up unless he gets some money. Right there, I hand him some money, and I leave.

Yes, he got out the next day without charges. It was probably a setup to get me to give money because I was being a hard-nose that week and would not "help" my friends. If it was an act, then they all for sure earned that money for some of the most excellent theatrics I've seen. Just the part where they had to tear his hands off the lamp post and carry him away like a mental patient about to be sent to surgery for a lobotomy was dramatic enought, but the crying in the station, if an act, deserves on Oscar.

I suspect part of the money you paid was for the lawyer. Once someone is already in jail, charges filed, etc., the cost of freedom shoots way up. That's assuming they had something to hold him for, something legit with witnesses and all.

It's highly unlikely he was picked up as an extortion target, and equally unlikely it would happen again. I've never ever heard of such a thing except in the case of very high profile gringos that are out stepping on toes or acting like they own the place.
 
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Well, it was my 2 cents worth, actually

Lee-Lee said:
George said:
Thank all of you that helped with information. He is out and only cost (650.00 Us) to get him out.
........ I am very proude to have a son working and paying his way at the age of 18.



so you paying to bail him out is an illustration of your son's ability to 'work and pay his way out at 18'? if he can't save his own behind out of jail and needs your help... well, in that case I would call that a kid that is not fully capable of taking care of himself (independently, without daddy's help).

just my two cents

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I guess if George doesn't understand what I told him, then you saying the same thing helps him do that. Thanks for another high-value contribution,.Lee-Lee.
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Some people just don't "get it!".
We've been in the DR. for 13 yrs (6 1/2 really because we're just there winters) and hubby has only had one run in with the "law". A workman for the condo took him to court (he was the president of the ass'n) and hubby "won".
The workman had to pay the court costs.........
So an 18 yr old that gets "busted" and has to have "daddy" bail him out to the tune of $650.US must have "run over" someone with a vehicle or some such. We all believed George when he said it wasn't drugs (Ken's comment was just to ascertain that it wasn't 'cause we "regulars" know that if it's a drug offense you ain't getting out without a LOT orf money being paid) but obviously George didn't think we were trying to be helpful.
I know it took some effort on the part of some of the regulars to look up numbers and as Ken remarked we might not be so "helpful" should Sonny require assistance again!! The comment about him "leaving" was justified in that once extortion money is paid, the "gringo" is now pegged as an "easy" mark and will be looked upon as a "regular paycheck" by the officers involved!
 
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ricktoronto get off my bottom will ya?

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Better still, can you children take your squabbles some place else.
I feel like a 5th grade school teacher some times :(

Don't bother replying, it will just confirm what I'm already thinking...
 
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George

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If i ask for help 2 posted help others just junk. So I posted this and 10 replys so fast. Take a moment to think before you post. I will not ask for help from here ever! I also have been here helping people for 4 years. But now you ask i go and never return.
SO be it Bye.
 
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Ken

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George said:
If i ask for help 2 posted help others just junk. So I posted this and 10 replys so fast. Take a moment to think before you post. I will not ask for help from here ever! I also have been here helping people for 4 years. But now you ask i go and never return.
SO be it Bye.
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When you bite the hand that tried to feed you, you have to expect consequences. If you don't come back, you won't be missed.
 
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I wonder what name George was posting under for the 4 yrs he's been "here".
Also there were only four replies to his first "help" post, two of which were from Ken and one each from HB and ricktoronto, all three of whom offered good advise having the most experience in the DR (residents tend to know more about how their country works than "visitors") so I think this thread by George is a bit of an over-reaction. Nothing "bad" was said about his son - just about the "system" corrupt as it is here in the DR -and the three wise men of the board genuinely tried to give George good advise. As Ken said better to pay the money and leave (the jail) than stay in a Dominican jail where your life may be in danger especially as George had stated that the "charge" had already been proved wrong but the police were still holding his son.
So Ken's comment about biting the hand that feeds you was apt!
I guess George was upset that he got "taken" for $650US!!
 
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MommC, I think you hit the head of the nail. I think George was venting his frustrations on the board regarding the predicament his son was involved in, whatever it was and his having to make the payoff, to be "taken". I feel it hit a sore spot with him because he has been giving to the D.R. for the past five years. I guess he expected something in return, that the authorities should not arrest his son because he has been giving. The idea of true giving is to expect nothing in return.

George should step back a little bit and note he should be thankful there were people who stepped up to the plate for him and his son and offered advice. There are many good people here in the D.R. who will go the extra mile for someone in need in spite of the fact their hand may be bit. He should be grateful that it only was $650 and that his son is OK.

Also, George don't let this incident leave a sour taste in your mouth, don't stop giving to the kids. Regards, PJT
 
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George
Whatever the charge was either your son is really stupid or it was a serious problem family abuse doesnt cost 650us,most assault with bodily harm cost a 1000 peso fine.Beside that you are a no class person. Hope your son has many friends when he gets arrested again(notice said when not if)because I think you just burned your bridges here.
J.H.:angry:
 
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A Rare Thing: I Agree with Johhny Honda

JOHNNY HONDA said:
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George
Whatever the charge was either your son is really stupid or it was a serious problem family abuse doesnt cost 650us,most assault with bodily harm cost a 1000 peso fine.Beside that you are a no class person. Hope your son has many friends when he gets arrested again(notice said when not if)because I think you just burned your bridges here.
J.H.:angry:
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I thought the same thing $650 is a pretty good sized mordida, whatever went on we won't know - at this point I don't care feeding the hand that bites me anymore.

It is quite interesting that assault with bodily harm ( I presume you mean domestic violence) has a less than $50US fine. (RD$1,000)
 
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As I recall it (without going back and burning bandwidth to copy it), all I said was that the US$500 was an obscene amount of money for anything less tan something really serious. I remember that Georgte said that it was family related? At 18?
I wonder where this guy will work now that he has a record? I think George had better get him out of here. His heart is in the right place, helping his son, but his head is not right, thinking that an 18 year old with no education can survive here without some real luck.....

HB
 
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