Well, first let me begin by saying hello to my Dominican brothers and sisters, or should I say, those who can accept me as a brother. This is my first time on this site and I plan to circumnavigate it so as to get a feel of the mindset and the culturehere on the site.
The circumstances in which I find myself presented here are not favorable as I would have rather have been invited here based on some unifying foundation or sense of fellowship and comraderie. At one of the Haitian websites a post was made regarding several comments made here about Haitian women. Rather than comment, I chose to investigate for myself and draw my own conclusions. Suffice to say that I did read the thread regarding the subject, and although it did not sit well with me, I will not reply to it as of yet since I must read many posts and threads and topics to get an overview of the mindset of the posters of this site before I go off on a tangent.
I must say that the island of Hispaniola, now separated into Haiti and Dominican Republic, has a long history. The beginning history is filled with slave revolts where slaves of both sides of teh island fought side by side for freedom against France, Spain, and Britain. I will not go further than that because I am sure there shall be differences of opinions based on teh history of both countries. It is safe to assume that the color painted by Dominicans will be pro-Dominican and that painted by haitian historians will be pro-Haitian.
It is disturbing that here we are, 2003, well into a new millenium, and issues of class and color...racism and hate are still prevalent and now being permeated throughout the internet by those whose minds are comparable to that of a used tampon. Those of a lesser mindset always complain about the problems and always chastize others, adding fuel to the fire, but never seem to have a solution, except something like "race cleansing". When i read that particular comment regarding sleeping with all the Haitian women and impregnating them to cleanse the race, I found that comment revolting for many reasons. It reminded me of Nazi Germany and Hitler with there ideas and practices of race cleansing, and gas chambers. With regard to this and anything else that may stem from it, well, all I can say is that comments like that birth and breed hate, but there are many valiant social soldiers, well prepared to keep the race and the country safe from such atrocity as revisiting race cleansing. How can you cleanse that which is not dirty, only different from your culture? Or has racism, racial bias and indiscriminate hate taken over 100% of your mind? that question is for the person who posted about "cleansing the race".
Just as there are problems in DR, regarding Haitians, there are problems in Haiti regarding Dominicans. To fuel the fire of hate will bring us nowhere while we still continue to walk down streets named after Che Guevarra, Jose Marti and Martin Luther King. Our brother across the water, Fidel Castro, feels differently than our neighbors across the border but I cannot understand why or how.
Now, to digress just a little, as far as my Haitian women are concerned. Hmmmm...where shall I begin? Well, I must say, as a nationalist, I would say that Haitian women are the best in the world, but then again, from a nationalistic point of view, what would expect me to say? It doesn't mean that I have not slept with any of the Dominican women in the cafes and bordellos who crossed the border to come sell themselves for quick cash. many Haitian men spend much of their money and their time in these bordellos sleeping with Dominican women and if you come to Haiti you will find these bordellos and prostitutional bar/hotels in Ounaminthe, Petion Ville, Port Au Prince, Carrefour and Au Cap. As a matter of fact, right here in NY, there are clubs like El Cantinero in Elmont where gentlemen (70% Haitian) go to pay mostly Dominican and Columbian $2.00 per dance, just to dance Merengue, Batchata and Kompa (Haitian Music). Some of these women get paid more depending on how they grind, what they do while their dancing, etc., etc., and alot of them get paid or ask for payment for sex and parking lot blowjobs. Does this make all Dominican women hoes? Would it be fair for me to generalize all dominican men as such? No. I just wondered why Haitians resorted to these kinds of clubs. i could not fathom why until it dawned on me....Haitian women would never blatantly expose themselves to such atrocity as thry are quite prim and proper, respectable and always looking to keep their self-respect.
To my knowledge, there are no public bordellos and bar/cafes in the Dominican Republic filled with Haitian women and Dominican men, but there are many places in DR where men will attempt to sleep with their Haitian maids, as is the nature of man, not just Dominicans. Even in NY, you have El Cantinero and La Plaza Nueva...filled with Dominicans and Columbians and Puerto ricans...no Haitian women. You will find Mexican men, peruvian men, Dominicand and Puerto Rican men looking for these women, so I guess business is good, it's just not our type of business...it doesn;t mean we don;t do dirt, just not that type of dirt. This tirade is not only to show you my point, and also depict my displeasure with the remarks from the posts regarding Haitian women, but to let you know that there is dirt everywhere, but throwing more dirt will only make things dirtier, especially if the other party feels he/she has more dirt to throw or your backyard is not as clean as you would wish it to be.
Women are women, beautiful in different ways, whether Haitian, Dominican, African-American, Mexican, Chinese or Russian. A real man is not attracted to a women based on her geographical background, but on her initial beauty and qualities.
To go off on another tangent again, I must say that history has done a good job of separating us by language, color lines, class and religion...but how is it that we cook the same food, use the same spices, dance practically the same music, love the same sport (Soccer), practice the same Vodun/Santeria and believe in the same God, yet want to be so different? How can we be soooooooooo similar but fight so hard to maintain walls of differences? Both Haitians and Dominicans have alot to be angry at each other about, historically, from the 1700's to the 1800's, the Dominican Vespers, the Bateys and cane cutters, etc. etc....but shall the sins of our fathers and the anger of our grandparents continue to perpetuate themselves through our bloodlines? It would seem so based on the post I read here on your website.
So, as I pass the ball of righteousness and brotherhood to you...you have the choice to make a goal for equality and brotherly love or kick it out of bounds into the sidelines of racial animosity. Or someone can reply with something stupid...we get that alot too on our Haitian sites! LOL!
I will still be Haitian, I will still be proud to be the first black republic, and I will always stand and fight for my honor and respect as well as that of the Haitian woman. So...holla back, ya heard!
MAKENDAL30
1804-2004 200 YEARS OF INDEPENDENCE
The circumstances in which I find myself presented here are not favorable as I would have rather have been invited here based on some unifying foundation or sense of fellowship and comraderie. At one of the Haitian websites a post was made regarding several comments made here about Haitian women. Rather than comment, I chose to investigate for myself and draw my own conclusions. Suffice to say that I did read the thread regarding the subject, and although it did not sit well with me, I will not reply to it as of yet since I must read many posts and threads and topics to get an overview of the mindset of the posters of this site before I go off on a tangent.
I must say that the island of Hispaniola, now separated into Haiti and Dominican Republic, has a long history. The beginning history is filled with slave revolts where slaves of both sides of teh island fought side by side for freedom against France, Spain, and Britain. I will not go further than that because I am sure there shall be differences of opinions based on teh history of both countries. It is safe to assume that the color painted by Dominicans will be pro-Dominican and that painted by haitian historians will be pro-Haitian.
It is disturbing that here we are, 2003, well into a new millenium, and issues of class and color...racism and hate are still prevalent and now being permeated throughout the internet by those whose minds are comparable to that of a used tampon. Those of a lesser mindset always complain about the problems and always chastize others, adding fuel to the fire, but never seem to have a solution, except something like "race cleansing". When i read that particular comment regarding sleeping with all the Haitian women and impregnating them to cleanse the race, I found that comment revolting for many reasons. It reminded me of Nazi Germany and Hitler with there ideas and practices of race cleansing, and gas chambers. With regard to this and anything else that may stem from it, well, all I can say is that comments like that birth and breed hate, but there are many valiant social soldiers, well prepared to keep the race and the country safe from such atrocity as revisiting race cleansing. How can you cleanse that which is not dirty, only different from your culture? Or has racism, racial bias and indiscriminate hate taken over 100% of your mind? that question is for the person who posted about "cleansing the race".
Just as there are problems in DR, regarding Haitians, there are problems in Haiti regarding Dominicans. To fuel the fire of hate will bring us nowhere while we still continue to walk down streets named after Che Guevarra, Jose Marti and Martin Luther King. Our brother across the water, Fidel Castro, feels differently than our neighbors across the border but I cannot understand why or how.
Now, to digress just a little, as far as my Haitian women are concerned. Hmmmm...where shall I begin? Well, I must say, as a nationalist, I would say that Haitian women are the best in the world, but then again, from a nationalistic point of view, what would expect me to say? It doesn't mean that I have not slept with any of the Dominican women in the cafes and bordellos who crossed the border to come sell themselves for quick cash. many Haitian men spend much of their money and their time in these bordellos sleeping with Dominican women and if you come to Haiti you will find these bordellos and prostitutional bar/hotels in Ounaminthe, Petion Ville, Port Au Prince, Carrefour and Au Cap. As a matter of fact, right here in NY, there are clubs like El Cantinero in Elmont where gentlemen (70% Haitian) go to pay mostly Dominican and Columbian $2.00 per dance, just to dance Merengue, Batchata and Kompa (Haitian Music). Some of these women get paid more depending on how they grind, what they do while their dancing, etc., etc., and alot of them get paid or ask for payment for sex and parking lot blowjobs. Does this make all Dominican women hoes? Would it be fair for me to generalize all dominican men as such? No. I just wondered why Haitians resorted to these kinds of clubs. i could not fathom why until it dawned on me....Haitian women would never blatantly expose themselves to such atrocity as thry are quite prim and proper, respectable and always looking to keep their self-respect.
To my knowledge, there are no public bordellos and bar/cafes in the Dominican Republic filled with Haitian women and Dominican men, but there are many places in DR where men will attempt to sleep with their Haitian maids, as is the nature of man, not just Dominicans. Even in NY, you have El Cantinero and La Plaza Nueva...filled with Dominicans and Columbians and Puerto ricans...no Haitian women. You will find Mexican men, peruvian men, Dominicand and Puerto Rican men looking for these women, so I guess business is good, it's just not our type of business...it doesn;t mean we don;t do dirt, just not that type of dirt. This tirade is not only to show you my point, and also depict my displeasure with the remarks from the posts regarding Haitian women, but to let you know that there is dirt everywhere, but throwing more dirt will only make things dirtier, especially if the other party feels he/she has more dirt to throw or your backyard is not as clean as you would wish it to be.
Women are women, beautiful in different ways, whether Haitian, Dominican, African-American, Mexican, Chinese or Russian. A real man is not attracted to a women based on her geographical background, but on her initial beauty and qualities.
To go off on another tangent again, I must say that history has done a good job of separating us by language, color lines, class and religion...but how is it that we cook the same food, use the same spices, dance practically the same music, love the same sport (Soccer), practice the same Vodun/Santeria and believe in the same God, yet want to be so different? How can we be soooooooooo similar but fight so hard to maintain walls of differences? Both Haitians and Dominicans have alot to be angry at each other about, historically, from the 1700's to the 1800's, the Dominican Vespers, the Bateys and cane cutters, etc. etc....but shall the sins of our fathers and the anger of our grandparents continue to perpetuate themselves through our bloodlines? It would seem so based on the post I read here on your website.
So, as I pass the ball of righteousness and brotherhood to you...you have the choice to make a goal for equality and brotherly love or kick it out of bounds into the sidelines of racial animosity. Or someone can reply with something stupid...we get that alot too on our Haitian sites! LOL!
I will still be Haitian, I will still be proud to be the first black republic, and I will always stand and fight for my honor and respect as well as that of the Haitian woman. So...holla back, ya heard!
MAKENDAL30
1804-2004 200 YEARS OF INDEPENDENCE
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