NYTimes AIDS in the Caribbean Article

AnnaC

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Is there a direct link to the article without having to sign up in order to read it?

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La Profesora

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Here is the text of the article in two parts. It is too long for a single post.

Removed due to copyright infringement.

The link works fine for me.
 
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Larry

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Interesting Article.I believe it said that an estimated 6% of the adult population in Haiti is HIV positive. Thats scarey.
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This just points out

What we have been talking about for months and years-The Three Monkey Syndrome is alive and well here.

The fact that Bush and his crowd have not earmarked one penny for AIDS in this country is tatamount to ignoring the situation on the island.

With a million or more Haitians in the DR, the situation is glaringly dangerous. Either mass deportations, with the ensueing hoopla in the international "human rights" press or an exercise in genocide, as an exercise in sterilization of the population, or even worse embedding of the already blatant racisms that exists.

I am not happy.

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Larry

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Tony

If you dont include the recent exposure of that plagaristic asshole that was employed by the Times I think they have a pretty good track record.I was disappointed on their stance on the war but generally speaking, the Times is a great source of information.Its the best paper we have in NY.
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I'm not surprised at all by the article. I've heard much about this in another new journal. It's very sad and I hope something is done before the caribbean turns into another Africa, AIDS crisis.


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Tony C said:
Just remember the source! The NY Times. There track record speaks for itself
Tony,
In this case the Times is reporting what anyone who has lived recently in the DR with eyes and hears already knew. AIDS has been a growing problem in the DR for at least the last decade, but has been swept under the rug. I certainly was aware of the problem when I lived there 1995-99, although I probably understood its dimensions better than some because of the MDs we have in the family and people working in aid projects I met.

If you don't care to believe the Times, how about UNAIDS, the official source for AIDS data in the UN system? Check out the link below. This is based just on available data, which by most reckoning is an underestimation. The UNAIDS report for 2002 for the DR says that that were estimated 130,000 HIV+ in the DR at the end of 2001, about 7,800 AIDS-related deaths in 2001 alone, and some 33,000 Dominican children left orphans by AIDS.

The picture is even more worrisome when you consider the rise of associated health problems such as TB and so-called "opportunitistic infections" like thrush.

Yet the DR has been slow to set up comprehensive treatment programs for these people, or for that matter, effective prevention and education programs. It has had a grant approved recently by the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Malaria & TB (to see the proposal in English, check out the following link: http://www.globalfundatm.org/proposals/round2/summarypages/dominicanrepublic.html ), but even that proposal only envisions ARV treatment for 5,000 patients by year 2005, a woefully inadequate response.

As HB says, a little too much three- monkey syndrome.

Regards,
Keith

UNAIDS 2002 Report on DR
 

Tony C

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First the NY Times and Now the UN? Come on guys! Are you just pulling my leg?

Is there AIDS in Haiti. Sure there is. Is there Aids in the DR? Ditto. Is it all the Doom and gloom that these sources like to state? Not even close.

Did they quote statistics pointing out the myth of Male heterosexual Aids? I doubt it! Why? Because the UN has an agenda and the NY times has been proven time and again that the truth doesn't matter to them as long as they get their message across.
 

Keith R

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Tony, what do you consider UNAIDS' "agenda" to be? Since they pull together this data with the help of the World Health Organization (WHO), do you believe they play with the truth as well?
 

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With all due respect, Hillbilly....

Since when did the United States become responsible for the public health (or lack thereof) in the DR? If the DR wants to become the 52nd state, then perhaps there'd be a vested interest. Till then, ask hizzoner Hipolito to "budget" a program and educate (preventive) or medicate (reactive) the masses. Shit, it'd only take a few GoicoBucks.

Besides, AIDS is just God's way of thinning the herd. Wrap that rascal or let your stupidity escort you to the exit. And keep your hands off my tax dollars.
 

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UNAIDS is just another of the bloated agencies of the UN who's main reason for existence is to perpetuate itself. They will come out with all these reports about the need for more money but they have no real interst in Controlling AIDS. If they did they would be out of a job.
Likewise the WHO. Look at the bang up job they are doing with SARS. Ask people in Toronto about the WHO. The people at the WHO have jumped on SARS because they know they can use it as a way to get more money for their agency. Yet there are many more diseases out there that are much more deadly and widespread that they are ignoring.(The Flu is one of them)
 

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Tony C said:
UNAIDS is just another of the bloated agencies of the UN who's main reason for existence is to perpetuate itself. They will come out with all these reports about the need for more money but they have no real interst in Controlling AIDS. If they did they would be out of a job.
Likewise the WHO. Look at the bang up job they are doing with SARS. Ask people in Toronto about the WHO. The people at the WHO have jumped on SARS because they know they can use it as a way to get more money for their agency. Yet there are many more diseases out there that are much more deadly and widespread that they are ignoring.(The Flu is one of them)
Tony,
I hesitate to get into a "sparring match" with you about UN agencies because we've always gotten along and I would rather keep it that way. But in all honesty, your comments about UNAIDS and WHO suggest that you really don't know either agency well.

By now you must know I don't usually post BS, and certainly not on a subject like this. I do alot of work on public health issues, both globally and in Latin America, so I'm very familiar with both agencies. This is particularly true of WHO, which I have dealt with since 1981.

I may not agree with everything WHO does, but I would never characterize them as "bloated" by any means. In actuality, given their mandate, they operate on a virtual shoestring. Most of their money comes not from their regular budget, but from so-called "extra-budgetary funds" -- funding provided apart from the regular budgetary contribution, almost always with strings attached -- in other words, DANIDA, SIDA or AID will provide funds only for certain programs and certain target countries, often using only resources (personnel, equipment, drugs, etc) obtained from the donor country, but under the WHO name & coordinated by WHO. In other words, more than half of the money WHO is asked to manage WHO has absolutely no say in how or where it's spent. If you have a problem with that, take it up with the US Government, who does this all the time.

WHO got involved with SARS because they were asked to by many governments, including the US (CDC). Did they make some missteps on the issue? Yeah, probably. In my estimation, they went too far with the warning about travel to Canada. But all institutions, including the US and the vaunted CDC and NIH, make missteps, especially during epidemics. (I can point you to several good books with detailed examples from recent history.) I would prefer, though, that public health agencies make errors on the side of caution rather than hesitate to react overlong.

WHO is doing valuable work on major killers and debilitating diseases far worse than "the flu" (which, by the way, can mean any of several things caused by viruses, which so far are untreatable by medicines or vaccines). In fact, it was WHO, under Director-General Brundtland, who brought back the world's attention to the fact that malaria and TB together kill or disable as many people globally as does AIDS, and created new initiatives to tackle it. And it was WHO that pointed out, like it or not, cardiovascular disease (CVD) is the leading cause of death in all regions except sub-Saharan Africa (where infectious & parasitic disease account for half of all deaths). In the Americas, for example, CVD accounts for about 1/3 of all deaths, whereas infectious & parasitic disease (including AIDS) is only cause of death category number 4, accounting for only 6% (the #2 cause in the Americas behind CVD are "malignant neoplasms" -- i.e., cancer, lymphoma, leukemia -- at 18%, and the #3 cause is injuries -- yes, injuries -- at 9.5%). WHO has tried to tackle the CVD issue head-on, but has met stiff resistance from the tobacco, alcohol & food lobbies and the governments that back them. And many governments prefer earmarking scarce budgetary resources to combatting infectious diseases, since these tend to hit hardest the poorest nations and certain segments (such as children) among their populations.

Among infectious diseases, acute respiratory infections (ARIs) -- pneumonia, influenza -- caused more deaths worldwide than AIDS in the year 2000 (the last year for which I have data). Among children, ARIs & diarrhoreal disease (imminently treatable, often with just simple oral rehydration salts) are the leading causes of death. But WHO (with UNICEF on the childhood killers) has been harping on these issues and trying to marshall attention & R&D on these issues for decades, Tony. WHO has not been ignoring the issue, Tony -- the donor governments often have, though, I'm sorry to say.

And I won't bore you with a discussion of the little-known & little-heralded but very valuable work WHO does on issues like medicine, food and chemical safety. For many developing countries, WHO is the only help they get on these issues.

I have less experience with UNAIDS, but from what I've seen over the last four years, they are not bloated and not simply out to perpetuate themselves, as you allege. They don't manage the "big money" (meager as it is, given the dimensions of the threat) being devoted to the AIDS worldwide. UNAIDS mainly seeks to provide the best available data (gotten through sources like CDC), coordinate R&D efforts & disseminate information on the latest info & best practice.

UNAIDS was created at the behest of governments like the U.S. so that there would be a single point in the UN system, and a global coordinator of sorts, to tackle the AIDS issue.

Anyway, I hope you're just "shooting from the hip" and will check it out more carefully before attacking WHO further. I have references for the studies and data if you want them -- just PM or e-mail me. And yes, some of the data cited comes from sources other than WHO -- including CDC, AID, the CIA, and AFMIC.
Repectfully,
Keith
 
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Larry

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Did they quote statistics pointing out the myth of Male heterosexual Aids?--TonyC

I know what you are insinuating and I agree Tony. Not that it is a "myth" but that it is very hard for a HEALTHY heterosexual nondrugusing male to contract the virus from females. Remember Jim Hinches article on HIV/AIDS? That really opened my eyes to a different way of thinking about this disease. He made some really good points (maybe we can dig up that thread and revive it so some of the people who havent had the opportunity to read it can).
I think Aids is a serious problem in the Carribean for females, homosexual males(many are closet cases and claim to have gotten it from a woman), IV drug abusers and anyone who has a weak immune system due to malnutrition or the presence of other diseases or medical problems however, I believe it is VERY difficult to catch it if you are a healthy heterosexual male. Whoever wants to disagree with me do me a favor and dig up Jim Hinches thread from the archives and read it first. It is very interesting.
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I went to Antarctica to study the "Diving Habits" of the Weddel Seal!

..and its association to "Crib Death"!We got millions of dollars over many years!We also studied the "Antarctic Cod"! More millions! We had a great time.It was very "IMPORTANT" work! We published many papers.We were published in "Science",and "The Lancet"! All this paid for with millions and millions of US tax dollars,funded through the National Science Foundation! "Publish or Perish"!My point is,that the idea is to continue getting "funded" no matter WHAT it takes to do it! It is the same in all publically funded agencies! Don't believe what you hear,read,or see,it is all for the purpose of continuing your funding.No funds,no job!People have a vested interest in "Doom & Gloom" to scare us into increasing the funding of all "NGOs"! Until I see the bodies piling up in the streets I wouldn,t worry! Like the man said,"Put on your "coat",before you "Rock The Boat"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1Cris Colon