Locals forced to spy on US Citizens and others

maxim

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Shades of Nazi Germany - Locals forced to spy on US Citizens and others

For the last serveral months, U.S. Postal Inspectors have been in the DR demanding that services like EPS Business Services report on who uses their firm to send mail to, or recieve mail from, the U.S.

This invasion of privacy will be accomplished by each client being required to complete PS form 1583 which can be found on the Internet at http://www.usps.com/forms/ pdf/ps1583.pdf

Starting the middle of next month, to mail even a simple post card, you'll need to provide two forms of identification with one containing a photograph; your address in the DR and telephone number. If you use a company name, you'll have to devulge the same details above plus the names and addresses of all officers, the date of and where the company was registered and the type of business it's in.

The Postal gang used very heavy handed tactics with the locals. They threatened to block all of their firm's mail from entering or leaving the US and suggested heavy fines and other sanctions would be used if they didn't comply. Both EPS in Sosua and Puerto Plata already have buckled under the pressure and agreed to comply. I presume others will soon follow too.

My sense is that this is only the beginning of an attack on our personal privacy. The information generated from these forms will no doubt create a data base useful to the IRS and other federal, state and local government agencies. Furthermore, through the Freedom of Information Act, non government agencies, businesses, and even individuals will also have access to this information. Once this intelligence is gathered, its uses will be limited only by our imagination.

Does anyone care that the land once noted for frredom and liberty are now using gestapo-like tactics to spy on its own citizens?
 
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Keith R

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maxim said:
The Postal gang used very heavy handed tactics with the locals. They threatened to block all of their firm's mail from entering or leaving the US and suggested heavy fines and other sanctions would be used if they don't comply. Both EPS in Sosua and Puerto Plata have buckled under the pressure and agreed to comply. I presume many others will too.

Does anyone know of any mail service unwilling to submit to these
gestapo tactics?
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Wow. I doubt any mail service would resist such pressure. If they would be blocked from sending mail into & out of the US, or if their offices in Miami were so heavily fined that they had to close, these mail services might as well close their doors, because that represents the bulk of their business. But can USPS legally back up their threats? I mean, can they embargo mail taken in and out of MIA by pouch or whatever other method EPS, Business Mail et al utilize? My guess is that, even if they cannot, or if the legal authority to do so is shaky (and who knows anymore, with the Patriot Act!), the Dominican services will not know or be certain enough of this to chance provoking the wrath of the Postal Inspectors.

If the USPS is demanding this sort of documentation, can the IRS be far behind, doing follow-up???? "Dear Fulano, we have been informed by USPS that you reside in PP, but our records show that you have failed to file a 1040 for the last 5 years. Even if you claim no income for those years, you must file to document this claim. Failure to do so...."

My guess is that the mail services will be forced to comply rather close their doors. But in so doing, they probably will lose many customers. Many of the ex-pats and dual nationals using EPS BusMail liked not only the reliability & convenience, but the "postal firewall" ithey offerred....

Shaking His Head in Disbelief,
Keith
 
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i looked at the form and it looks to me as if this is a standard form. when completed correctly it acts as permission for the usps to deliver post to an agent acting for the named recipient.

i.e.
if i buy a widget from amazon.com and they send the widget by usps to eps in miami. usps need authorisation to deliver the widget to a representative of eps, because mr. bochinche will not be there to receive it.

i say this looks like a standard form, because, i also presume any good postal service will ask eps, business mail, continental or any other agent for the same authorisation.
i don't want my widget delivered to any old odd-bod.

it also looks like the form is an internal u.s. form, so i don't understand why they should be in the d.r. looking for information. in addition, it only talks about delivery of post.
so either, one, the information you have received (regarding the form number) was not correct, or, two, someone is putting a scam of some kind in motion.

dominicans are (generally) easily intimidated. i bet nobody in eps, or wherever they went, told them they wouldn't do it. this could easily be a way for one of the numerous american investigative agencies to solicit information they feel they require without going through official channels.

note also that the form is also over three years old.
 

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The US gestapo at work!

I am not surprised at this, but am worried it has extended outside of the US. Don't be surprised if they start asking for more info. I am genuinely concerned about this "Patriot Act." In the US it has been implied that those who question its actions are labeled traitors. I am extremely worried about this administration's intentions and do not believe they are telling us all. So those of you who are ex-pats from the US---beware, and keep in touch with what is going on here.

I know I may get some hot responses from US citizens or US ex-pats, but I am tired of being silent about this administration's use of power.

Tondra
 

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bochinche said:
i.e.
if i buy a widget from amazon.com and they send the widget by usps to eps in miami. usps need authorisation to deliver the widget to a representative of eps, because mr. bochinche will not be there to receive it.

No there is more to this than JUST a form. They are trying to learn as much as they can because they seem to have misplaced a few hundred thousand citizens and their tax money. Expect it to get worse.

As far as the Patriots Act II goes, what scares me is that when I talk to people they tell me that I am making it up. When I show them the papers, they think it is a joke. Amazing how the sheep blindly follow the wolf.

Jerry
 

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I don't understand..if you mail a package they want all your info?
I just recieved a ox today from PO Box International. Sent to Miami and then brought here and I didn't have to do anything special. Just sign for the box and pay the shipping as usual.
 

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Are you all related to "Chicken Little"???????

You remember her?? "The Sky Is Falling,The Sky Is Falling"!!!!!Before you even know what is going on,you start to use your ever present,"Conspiracy Theory"! Why not wait and see what is really going on here,and then comment? "Oh!",Thats no fun,is it?"

I'm going to EPS right now,and I'll come back with something that is in short supply here,actual information!! Cris Colon!CCCCC:alien:
 

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Your alternative is to use Federal Express or UPS or DHL to receive everything, rather than the USPS.
 
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Criss Colon

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Much Ado About Nothing!!!!!!!!!

I went to "EPS" yesterday to retrieve letters,and packages from the USA.All through my "EPS" Miami address.I was not asked to sign anything! When I ASKED about the form,I was told that is was AVAILABLE. How long has that been in use,he said about 7 months.Do I have to sign the form to recieve or mail letters or packages? "No!" he said.He said he would find me a form,if I wanted to fill it out? "NO!" That is not necessary!!!!!!!!!!!said "I"!!
 

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GGGOOOOO CCCCCCCCCCC!

I was just about to worry about what I would do with my mail when I get there and THEN CCCCCCCCCC to the rescue again! THANKS FOR VERIFYING THE INFO! :) Pam
 

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Re: The US gestapo at work!

tondra said:
I am not surprised at this, but am worried it has extended outside of the US. Don't be surprised if they start asking for more info. I am genuinely concerned about this "Patriot Act." In the US it has been implied that those who question its actions are labeled traitors. I am extremely worried about this administration's intentions and do not believe they are telling us all. So those of you who are ex-pats from the US---beware, and keep in touch with what is going on here.

I know I may get some hot responses from US citizens or US ex-pats, but I am tired of being silent about this administration's use of power.

Tondra

My God! If I were as paranoid as some of you folks, I'd have to lock myself in my room. Criss Colon was right!

I hate to cast shadow on the "conspiracy parade", but a few facts couldn't hurt.

1. Postal Inspectors work for the USPS, not for the US Government. Remember that the USPS was separated from the US Government nearly 20 years ago and functions as an independent agency.

2. The DR doesn't exactly have the best of reputations; always gonna be given extra "attention" until it gets its act together.

3. Here are a few of the real reasons the Postal Inspectors are interested in mail traffic to/from the DR:

Drug traffic
Internet Scams; Financial scams
Child Porn
Money Laundering and/or counterfeiting

You've nothing to worry about unless you're involved in one or more of the above. The Postal Inspectors I've worked with aren't interested in petty stuff.

Swede
 

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3. Here are a few of the real reasons the Postal Inspectors are interested in mail traffic to/from the DR:

Drug traffic
Internet Scams; Financial scams
Child Porn
Money Laundering and/or counterfeiting

Mr. Paranoid, himself, ready to take his turn! lol.

Let's assume that nobody does any of those things above. ( A safe bet , I am sure). Nobody will be caught mailing drugs or kiddie porn. Nor will anyone be implicated in financial or internet fraud. -- So far, so good.

Where they will kick you is money laundering. The definition is way too broad. It can be applied to even the most innocuous transactions. Best bet is, simply, to not send cash or negotiable instruments through the mail.
 

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I would like to respond to this, but it would be taking us off topic of the postal situation. There are other things happening that make me highly suspect our government, but that does not belong here.

Tondra
 

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Your all a Bunch of Nellies ...

... 'Nervous Nellies' that is.

CC's right. In Sosua EPS had that form available for us to fill out when we set up an account 5 months ago. It's been around for a long time.

Look, if you're really paranoid and don't want your name or address on it just use the information and signature of your Dominican wife, girlfriend, hooker, or sankie (pick one) and address all your purchases to that person.

Or if you're only a little paranoid put your name or company on EPS's internal list for that account (they allow three per account here). That way mail to any of those names at that EPS box in Miami does not have any problems being tracked and sent via EPS but those extra names are not divulged to anyone. They are just used by EPS.

:paranoid:

If y'all can pull the covers off your collective heads and brave walking out the front door to actually -go- to the EPS office that is. Good Lord!
 

Jan

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the "OX" roast

You guys are too funny! The "ox" ...yea it was a biggun for sure!!
One little typo and ...well I have many typos.Dyslexia...old age...I know...its my keyboard! Yea thats it!
Anyone want to come over for the "OX" roast?! Will be roasting today about 5!
Back on subject....haven't had a problem with my mail service. They've done me good