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This year will be the first year in history of competition between Airbus and Boeing when Airbus will sell more planes.

It is expected that to the end of 2003 Airbus will produce 315 planes, airlines expect all those planes and they will fly immediately. Boeing's production for 2003 is 285 planes. In according to plans for 2004 the tendence will be the same, Airbus has orders for 304 planes, while Boeing pretends to get to the maximum of 290.

Thinking about extremely popular A320 family and upcoming A380 makes us to predict that soon Airbus will dominate the sky.
 
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Amazing what you can accomplish with a little hard work and 20 years of tax-payer funded subsidies from fifteen countrys, isn't it?
 
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I THINK THAT WHAT IS EVEN MORE AMAZING IS A320 FAMILY OPERATIONAL COST AND 340'S COMFORT, THIS IS BEYOND BOEING'S HORIZONS.
 
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And I repeat ...

Papito_Chulo said:
I THINK THAT WHAT IS EVEN MORE AMAZING IS A320 FAMILY OPERATIONAL COST AND 340'S COMFORT, THIS IS BEYOND BOEING'S HORIZONS.
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Amazing what you can accomplish with a little hard work and 20 years of tax-payer funded subsidies from fifteen countrys, isn't it? Perhaps they just shouldn't call it the Airbus 320. Maybe the EuroSocialistUnion 320? Whaddya think? Nice ring to it, eh?

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they can call it whatever they want, since it's economic factor eclipses everything, passenger accept this plane with open arms, new A340-600 and 500 series promise to be more popular than 777, well, let's call it just a plane. By the way, I think european culture made a good achievement to development of these brilliant planes.
 
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Uh-huh.

I've been reading you're posts for a long time now. You're really funny! Keep up the good work. Hopefully, you intended to be!

I guess you're only on Boeing's case now because Robert warned you off Aeromar. LOL. OK. Ill stop poking you now! :: smile ::

Tom (aka XR)
 
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Aw, c'mon Chris, this is the Airline Forum! Here they talk about Airbus, Austria Airlines, NE Bolivia airlines, airports in Siberia, Swiss Air joining One World, never-heard-of Colombian airlines, etc etc

DR content is optional!!! :p :p :p
 
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Tom is right..... if the European governments, particularly the French, hadn't continuously pumped financial blood into Airbus it would never have made it. Oh, and don't forget the kick backs paid, especially to foreign carriers, by Europeans who don't have the same corruption standards as Americans. Without Emirates Air's massive Airbus buy, the French would be seriously pooping in their culottes.

Sad to say, when US airlines headed to Toiletsville post-911 they received massive US government bailouts....only to turn around and by that crappy French product. Taxpayers are going to tumble to this one fine day and hold some feet in serious flames.

Best, P

PS: Chris, this is DR related....have to expose those lesser informed souls to facts and ground truth
 
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Airbus offers a very good product at a less expensive price,extremely better financing terms and somewhat better customer support having said that if it ain't BOEING i ain't GOING.
 
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as always, european products were always up to quality, this is another prove. Airbus' new planes are much better, they have better acceptance among passengers and airlines. Low cost airlines prefer A320, longhaul plane of the moment is A340-600. Boeing needs to do something.
 
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Papito_Chulo said:
as always, european products were always up to quality, this is another prove. Airbus' new planes are much better, they have better acceptance among passengers and airlines. Low cost airlines prefer A320, longhaul plane of the moment is A340-600. Boeing needs to do something.
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Yes, Beg a government handout like Airbus so they can sell below their cost of production.
 
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Duh.

Economics 101 that the EuroSocialists Will Never Understand: Because giving taxpayer funded handouts to customers just to buy your products means inferior products, no profits, and poor taxpayers. Do a little web search about the US auto industry vs. Japan in the late 1970s and you'll see that the answer is competition, not protection for more profits and exceptional products.

For an opposing view try e-mailing DiabloRojo, or Fidel Castro, or Mikael Gorbachev if the little communicst Devil is unreachable.

Tom (aka XR)
 
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anyway, Airbus is more popular, offers better product, more comfort, so what is the problem? What's is your point of view?
 
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Airbus planes generally suck. I've flown on lots of them around the world, especially on MAS and Singapore Airlines. 'Better product' is a combination of selling price vs. quality for the buyer - NOT for the end user. Boeing certainly has better products, the difference comes down to bribes and subsidies to buy the planes. READ MY POST if you want to understand, learn about US protectionism of its auto industry in the late '70s. That almost kiled the US auto industry. In the long term the propping up of Airbus by the French and others is doomed to failure. Whether it be at the hands of Boeing, or if Boeing succumbs to the subsidies then by some other upstart. But either way it's a false impression for the feeble-minded created and paid for by the subsidies paid for on the backs of European laborers and taxpayers so the French and EuroSocialists can pretend to be world-class entrepreneurs and capitalists like the big boys. What a joke!

And I repeat. Duh!
 
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this is your personal point of view, buddy, actually I just tried to show digits here, and they show that Airbus is ahead. Actually airlines and passengers say the opposite, more US carriers need A320 now, not 757, and Boeing is losing international customers, operational cost of Airbus' planes is much lower than Boeing's, passengers love Airbus, A340-600 is much more comfortable than B777. Anyway, this is your opinion so you can fly on Boeing as much as you wish.
 
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Ummm. OK. Give me the web address to 'Boeing Airlines'. ROTFL!

Do you understand the difference between the airlines who buy the planes and the captive passengers who are forced fly on them? Doesn't sound like it! When's the last time you told your carrier you wouldn't take a flight because it was a Boeing plane and not an Airbus plane. Huh? Really! Answer that!

These airlines are the same folks who cram people in like sardines, screw with the on-time statistic, loose your luggage, and you make the leap that because someone (the French) are actually paying them to buy their planes (literally) that that somehow translates into the passengers of those planes being the ones endorsing the 'quality' of the planes.

Please. It's difficult to see how someone could be more naive!

Sorry, I will leave you to your own little world now (what color is the sky on your planet, anyway?). Good night! LOL!

Tom (aka XR)
 
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