The corruption is just so overwelming

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It was very interesting reading the Listin Diario today and finding out that there has been a law on the books for years saying that the DA?s have the responsibility to check the civil registry books twice a year to look for discrepancies and tampering. Wonder when the last time was that a DA did his or her job? I wonder if they even know what their jobs are? I honestly don?t think they could pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the sole and a spigot on the heel. If they had been doing their jobs then we wouldn?t have had those people selling forged birth certificates for 50k and 60k pesos to those Cubans and Chinese.
Just another indicator for the need of a good civil service program where the employees have the time to learn their jobs completely and correctly without the fear of having to search for a new job every 4 years. Also needed are a pre-employment exam and a yearly evaluation of all employees to include the bosses.
LIONEL ARE YOU LISTENING? The majority of your buddies and their buddies that are PLD and were employed by you when you took office have no idea what they are doing and they are not helping the average Dominican or helping this country achieve everything that it can. I know for a fact that there are Dominicans out there that are qualified and over qualified to fill all of the jobs that your want-to-be buddies are holding and some of them belong to the PRD, PRSC, PLD and there are some that belong to other parties. If you offer employment that guarantees permanent employment, if the employee does his job correctly and you set up a system of yearly evaluations to weed out those that honestly can?t adapt and there is a pre-employment test to determine if the applicants are in fact qualified to fill the job you will have a top-notch work force that will serve all the people well. Not only that, those other party employees just might vote for you and/or your party at the next election. Sounds like a win-win situation to me
Sorry board members I just had to get all this out of my system. There are times, after living here 8 years, that the whole corrupt bureaucratic situation here just upsets me so much that I have to do or say something and beating my wife is not an option. Thank you.

Rick :cry:
 

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Thank you for the laugh

yes Chris it was just a typo but your response broke me up over my error and I thank you so much for the laugh as I needed a good roll on the floor. The reason it's so humorous is because I try very hard not to make mistakes and as I was addressing the President, well........ Mr President in the possibility that you do in fact do read DR1 I'm sorry for the mis-spelling of your name. Heh, heh, heh.
 

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It was hilarious reading your very serious rant and then coming across the misspelling... Something like .. 'Jack, John! what was your name again? You've just been elected President so, get movin' already Man!'
 

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Rick.......it seem like many are

begining to thhink thesame way!!!
I posted this same entreaty in a different thread a number of months back. many may recall it. I'm glad to hear that there are others who are advocating the same thing!

Maybe Mr. President will take a look at the deplorable Civil Service situation and do something about it, if he has the balls to face off the politicians and hangers-on of this nd other administrations.

I think he knows what the solution really is; what the problems really are, but just can't bring himself to face his supporters and fire them in preference to those who are more and better qualified to do the job.

He has a rough row to hoe what with the economic and infrastructure chaos he was handed by Hippo's bunch. I still feel that while his heart may be in the right place, he is hamstrung by the momentum of the "We've always done things this way" syndrome.

It's just the easy way out and what people really expect since they obviousoy don't know better or don't care.

Texas Bill
 

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Change is so difficult. Either evolutionary change, which is incremental and takes long, or revolutionary change with happens quickly and chaos reigns for a while (I'm not talking about violence here, but the nature of change).

Four years is so short. Most people only start a career in four years, or start building a business over that time frame. And yet, we expect within months, endemic corruption to disappear.
 

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Two different items

Chris the bureaucratic omnipotents that the government has within its ranks have expropriated from the lower classes of the Dominicans with their complicit actions and conniving amongst themselves in the name of doing their jobs far longer then most people can remember, but that is another subject. Texas Bill and I were not talking about corruption but rather in changing the way civil service duty is performed in this country. In 1996 Leonel did in fact implement changes and they were neither evolutionary nor revolutionary but rather were implemented through his ascendant position as president. It is time to ferret out those workers that serve the public but lack the knowledge and/or desire to serve the public in a way that the public deserves to be served. As Texas Bill said, if the president were to fire the scum from these civil positions and replace them with knowledgeable and caring people then the problem would be solved and he could move on to the next item. IMHO the president needs to say ?we are not going to do things as normally done, not on my watch?. :eek:
 

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Hear!! Hear!!

Rick Snyder said:
Chris the bureaucratic omnipotents that the government has within its ranks have expropriated from the lower classes of the Dominicans with their complicit actions and conniving amongst themselves in the name of doing their jobs far longer then most people can remember, but that is another subject. Texas Bill and I were not talking about corruption but rather in changing the way civil service duty is performed in this country. In 1996 Leonel did in fact implement changes and they were neither evolutionary nor revolutionary but rather were implemented through his ascendant position as president. It is time to ferret out those workers that serve the public but lack the knowledge and/or desire to serve the public in a way that the public deserves to be served. As Texas Bill said, if the president were to fire the scum from these civil positions and replace them with knowledgeable and caring people then the problem would be solved and he could move on to the next item. IMHO the president needs to say ?we are not going to do things as normally done, not on my watch?. :eek:

Rick!!

Congratulations!!! You have put that very succenctly and LOUD & CLEAR!!!

Now, where are the ones who always telling us that we complain entirely too much about the disreputable Dominican Government! I ask myself "Why don't we hear MORE from them??? After all, such changes would certainly benefit them more than US (meaning the Expat community), yet I hear an unholy silence from that quarter. These are peoplewho claim to belong to the elite which actualy runs the country. Don't they want a smoother running government?? HMMMMMM????

Texas Bill
 

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I suspect the Civil Registry scam will interest a lot of other governments. It wasn't just Cubans & Chinese........according to one paper I read it was Columbian narco-traffickers as well, who ended up with new identities. Does anyone think that Al Qu'aida operatives weren't smart enough to take advantage also? I think the US government may just be a little interested in this.
 

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Lambada said:
I suspect the Civil Registry scam will interest a lot of other governments. It wasn't just Cubans & Chinese........according to one paper I read it was Columbian narco-traffickers as well, who ended up with new identities. Does anyone think that Al Qu'aida operatives weren't smart enough to take advantage also? I think the US government may just be a little interested in this.
The last time I heard, anybody who looked even remotely middle eastern was scrutnized at the DR airports since 9/11.

Many middle eastern looking people have even been prevented from loading airplanes in many instances in the DR, even if they prove they are not from that region. So, the possibility that Al-Qaida to be taken advantage of this in the DR is minimal at best.

Besides, there are hundreds of other countries where such thing has been going on for decades, Iran being a prime example. And Al Qaida members might not be too eager at using a christian country for their activities, unless such christian country is their target.

In short, I don't think Al Qaida is around. The possibility is just too low...
 

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Good post Rick Snyder and nice enthusiastic response from Texas Bill.

Don't misunderstand, I agree with both of you about the civil service. An educated and committed civil service will of course change the landscape.

The point that I'm musing about is that it cannot happen overnight. A committed civil service needs structure and education in order to become those "knowledgeable and caring people" who want to serve. I don't think the President or anyone can simply replace the civil service - Yes, by all means get rid of the leeches and hangers on, but we still have another election to go before Leonel can hopefully 'entrench' his position. And after that, it is a scant two years before the next election. The short timing here scares me. Leonel can say what he wants, he can say those stirring words "Not on my watch!", but if the basic infrastructure and methodology is absent, I don't think much real change is possible.

He seems to want to put the infrastructure and methodology into place by computerized systems, and this will go a long way. I thought this was quite clever, but also an expensive and long term strategy.

As you may notice, I'm not 'bullish' on anything on the corruption front in the civil service changing materially and soon.
 

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If i hear the word "computerize" in this country, i always have to make a big smile.

Why start from the beginning if you want to do something? Starting backwards from the end is better, or at least you get a nice frontpace photo that you did something really good for this country.

But al those people forget a few things
1) computers need electricity
2) computers need maintenance
3) computers need a REAL administrator

How the heck, do you want to start a computerised system if there is sometimes electricity, the users are more interested in the music that can be played with the cd-player and the latest desktopadjustments and latinochats, while the administrator a good friend or a partymember is, without any experience in systems and/or is unable to read/speak english (what is a must for a job like this).

But it is the same with the roads (and other things), why fix the old existing roads? that just cost money and is no-frontpage news.
Better start a millions consuming project, that will give you at least 2 pictures (even if the project dies after a few months)


But that is just the way is is in this country :)
 

Rick Snyder

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It must be bed time

NalOwhs I was glade to see you participate in this thread but I was hoping that you would comment on the civil service aspect specifically to its feasibility and what should be done to implement it.

DunHill you seem to have a very negative perception concerning the DR?s ability to computerize. I live here in El Seybo, which is in the middle of nowhere, and there are at least 10 to 15 young people here, that I know of, that are very computer literate and the majority of them know enough English to get by. I have stated before and I?ll say it again, (the qualified people are out there and all the powers to be need to do is hire those that are qualified instead of their inept family and friends). The last time I looked there were terminals and main frames, computers without CD players, computers that operate without Internet access, programs that only allow certain things be put in, programs in SPANISH only etc. If a nobody like me can get the electricity to operate my computer then the government offices can along with the hospitals. I mention hospitals because if this country were to ever get their medical records on to hard disc they would save so much time and money and make so fewer mistakes. You mentioned maintenance and administrators and once again, THE QUALIFIED PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE!!

Chris I agree, get rid of the leeches and hangers on AND replace them with caring and knowledgeable people who want to serve, they are out there. If you offer a job that won?t disappear in 4 years and you hire knowledgeable people with some education and a heart to serve his/her fellow Dominicans you have made a vast improvement in the daily operations of serving the public.

IF ? The president were to implement these changes he would piss off a lot of ?friends? but in the long run he would make so many more then he would lose when the people realized that with education and desire they could in fact get a job. The people who are able to get their copy of their birth certificate in an hour or two without greasing somebody palm would quickly become a friend to the president and story by word of mouth would be a benefit to him also.

IF - Those of you that are Dominican would sit down with your fellow Dominicans and explain how important the vote is, how the democratic process works, how important it is to get involved and maybe even get someone with a heart interested in running for government office and then back them and help them. Get involved usted mismo. It is possible to defeat an incumbent when you show the people the bad and dishonest things that the incumbent has done to them.

Speaking about the word IF. Mr President please do me a favor and read my favorite poem. It?s titled IF and was written by Rudyard Kipling and it holds a lot of wisdom. ;)
 

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Note: 15,000 "teachers" got computers

The question is, were they really for the teachers or were they just third party people getting a really good deal?

Like the two tax exemptions the legislators get every four years. Why? So they can sell one and get the money to get a better car for themselves. Consiered to be one of the perqs of being a legislator.

We'll see if the current administration decides to do a survey of the 15,000 teachers in say, six months, and we see how many are "really and truly" using them....Wanna bet?


HB :(:(
 

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Rick Snyder said:
You mentioned maintenance and administrators and once again, THE QUALIFIED PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE!!

Sorry that i forgot to mention that, but that statement is absolutely true

With my work, (installing satellite internet installations), i meet a lot of people, but what me hurt was that in a lot of cases, the REAL technician/administrator, is not choosen, just to give a friend/family/etc a job.

--just a day in life--
> Hi there, we just installed the internet satellite, who are you
>> buenos dias, I am the network specialist of xxxx
> fine, please install this router than we connect the internet to it
>> what is a router ???
> ..sniff.. softly crying i leave

A project like in El Seibo is good, and necessary for this country, i pass that place at least once a week, but i never heard of it.
The Roman Cath. Church in Banica (haiti border) does support (and has) those projects too. (and that place is not bigger that an invisible dot on the map)


But the topic was corruption, and just this corruption, corrups the automatisation of this country in many ways.
 

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Nal0whs said:
The last time I heard, anybody who looked even remotely middle eastern was scrutnized at the DR airports since 9/11.

Many middle eastern looking people have even been prevented from loading airplanes in many instances in the DR, even if they prove they are not from that region. So, the possibility that Al-Qaida to be taken advantage of this in the DR is minimal at best.

Besides, there are hundreds of other countries where such thing has been going on for decades, Iran being a prime example. And Al Qaida members might not be too eager at using a christian country for their activities, unless such christian country is their target.

In short, I don't think Al Qaida is around. The possibility is just too low...

Have you read Hoy today Nals?

http://www.hoy.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=31978
 
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Lambada said:
Have you read Hoy today Nals?
Yes, I read it. It just proves that Dominican authorities are doing a handsome job when it comes to combating this problem that although, has or had a very low possibility of appearing on our shores, the possibility was still there.

In any event, the fact that they were caught brings a sense of feeling safer because at least we know Dominican authorities are on their guard for these types of activities, despite the possibility of terrorist activities being launch from here being very small, despite this incident.

For those of you not aware what happened and are not in the DR, here is a link to Hoy...

http://www.hoy.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=31978