family temporarily relocating

noel

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We are a family of four (two adults, two children) planning to relocate to the DR. We intend to arrive mid-January, and stay until mid- to end of August.

We have spoken with people who have spent time there, and we know that it is possible to live within the budget we're looking for. But it's so hard to find things online. We are considering whether one of us (I) should come first and scout things out; ideally, though, we would all like to travel at once. If the family needs to stay in an (inexpensive) hotel for a few days to a week while we find something permanent, no problem.

We're trying to find a 3-4 bedroom place (apartment or house) for $200-$400 -- we're shooting for a total monthly budget of $800-$1000. We know that this IS possible. We also know that there are plenty of people on this message board who will write and say it's utterly impossible, and that one cannot live "comfortably" on less than US$5000 a month -- so please, understand that we're looking for a different standard of living, and that our idea of "comfort" is different from that one.

We don't want to live like tourists, and we frankly don't even care about air conditioning. We would like to live in or near Santo Domingo (but this is open). Main things we care about are electricity (but we will BUY an inverter if necessary) and high speed internet. We want our daughter to be able to walk around safely, and we want to feel safe about our living space -- but again, "safe" to us means literally and truly just that: it does NOT mean that we feel uncomfortable seeing people who are not like us. We would be very happy to live in a primarily Dominican neighborhood, we don't care about noise, and we do NOT, NOT, NOT need bright and shiny sparklingly new things all around us to feel happy. We don't care about bars/nightclubs or anything like that, but we do want to be able to take in "cultural" stuff like films, theater, etc. from time to time.

We would be deeply grateful to anyone who has any advice, any pointers at all. Again, please, if your perspective forbids you to imagine that the budget I'm describing is possible, let's just agree to be different. Anybody who might know a place we could rent, or have ideas about the right steps for finding a place, please let me know. We have a few Dominican contacts who could potentially act as guarantors if that's necessary (and who could possibly check out a place if somebody's able to recommend it).

Any and all help, from general advice to concrete tips, much appreciated.

Thanks so much in advance,
Noel
 

Hillbilly

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What's that song title? "Looking in all the wrong places.."

Santo Domingo might not be the best place for you.

Think: Santiago, San Francisco or La Vega...

Santiago above all. (Yeah, I know, this seems like gospel to me)

YOur living costs are less, your freedom is greater, your access to things like entertainment, education and shopping is much, much easier. And, perhaps above all, your safety should not even be an issue.

Do take a moment to look into this option.

HB
 

Chris

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I'm with the Hillbilly - add Mao Valverde to your list... a nice little town only an hour away from Santiago (and the birthplace of the Hillbilly's better half). High speed internet is a problem.
 

Ken

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Listen to Hillbilly and Chris. Santiago, the DR's second largest city, is a much better choice for you than Santo Domingo. Just about anything you can get in SD is available in Santiago, but much easier to get to. Santiago is visited by tourists, but they return to their hotels on the North Coast. Santiago is most certainly not a tourist town.

La Vega and San Francisco de Marcoris are also possibilities and certainly aren't tourist destinations, either. But the cultural activities you consider a high priority are more readily available in Santiago.
 

Snuffy

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Hillbilly will not stear you wrong...

Santiago is a great first place to live...It is somewhat a cog on a giant wheel. La Vega is nice also but hotter. But back to the wheel. From Santiago you can venture out and explore the island. You can go north to Puerta Plata, Sosua, Caberate...you can go west to Monte Cristi...you can go south to the capital...you can go east to Samana/Las Terranas. Bonao and Moca are nearby. I moved to Santiago from the capital because you get more for your money when renting...the air is cleaner...well, everything is cleaner...there is less congestion on the roads...Santiago has a cooler climate. Easy to get around town.

Also, there are several inexpensive hotels in town, grouped together...I don't even know the name of one...but others on here do. You should be able to negotiate a weekly price. From a hotel you can rent a driver by the day and he will take you around in your search for an apartment. You should be able to find an apartment in your price range.

You can get by on $800 to $1000 but it is not going to be a cake walk. The apartment will cost you about $300 a month. You will have to put down two or three deposits...which means...$600 to $900 dollars up front. I do believe you can find an apartment for about $200 a month...but it may be further away from town and smaller...maybe three bedrooms but small rooms.

You mention high speed internet...that will cost you about 2500 pesos per month...that is about....$80 USD. But you can just use one of the internet cafes. They are inexpensive. Everything requires a deposit up front....electricity, phone, water, cable, rent.

You will have to purchase a refrigerator, a stove, a washing machine, furniture, etc. Those items are expensive here.

Your biggest expense will be FOOD. I bought a cantelope today for 40 pesos. That is ONE cantelope. There are three of us..ones a baby...and I spend about $1700 a month and I think I live modestly.

When I first came here I poured a ton of money into putting together a functional livelihood that was comfortable for me and mine. Things just add up. Like you mention the inverter. I don't know what one cost now days...but if like everything else...it is much more expensive.

You have children...that is what concerns me...you better scout this out first. I don't know your story...but I am sure you will step cautiously as you have your children to consider.

You don't want to buy airfare for four people, get here and discover it will not work and so you then have to buy airfare for four people to leave. Wise to scout it out.

Best of Luck.
 

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Snuffy said:
You don't want to buy airfare for four people, get here and discover it will not work and so you then have to buy airfare for four people to leave. Wise to scout it out.

Actually, unless the rules have changed recently, unless he/she can show the airlines that they are legally resident in the DR, they have to purchase a roundtrip ticket anyway....

Let me second (or third or fourth) what the others are telling you. Living in Santo Domingo is not that cheap, even when you cut corners to keep the budget in check. What Snuffy says about deposits is particularly important -- this is an expense most people don't warn you about. The other "little" expenses people forget to mention do indeed add up fast. I should know -- I, my wife & young twins actually lived there four years (without AC and without indulging much in partying), and things have gotten much, much more expensive since then.

Also, don't put too much stock in the promises of people, Dominican or otherwise, that they'll act as guarantors or fully check things out on your behalf. We heard plenty of such promises from family and friends before we moved to the DR, and they all evaporated once needed. And if you search the DR1 archives, you'll find our experience in this regard was not unique.

If you were single, carefree, weren't interested in cultural events and could live off mostly fresh fruits and veggies, I would not be concerned and say go for it in SD. But you have a family and kids...I would endorse going ahead first to check it out. I also think that Santiago would be a much better choice than SD.

Regards,
Keith
 

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Hillbilly said:
Santo Domingo might not be the best place for you.

Think: Santiago, San Francisco or La Vega...

Santiago above all. (Yeah, I know, this seems like gospel to me)

YOur living costs are less, your freedom is greater, your access to things like entertainment, education and shopping is much, much easier. And, perhaps above all, your safety should not even be an issue.

Do take a moment to look into this option.

HB

As always HB I agree with you about Santiago over Sto. Dgo., but do you really think a budget of RD $30,000 per month is feasible for a family of four EVEN there? I know the OP asked only 'Positive' people to respond here, but I think RD $30,000 is minimum of RD $10,000 short even for a basic lifestyle:

Lodging of 3 bedroom = minimum RD $10,000
Food & drink for 2 adults & 2 children = RD $10,000
Getting around = RD $2,000
Electricity = RD $4,000
Internet (plus tax) = RD $2,750

How quickly that RD $30,000 is gone & nothing for the kids yet!! No visits to cutural activities in that list above either!

Definitely a trip of investigation is called for here. If one or other parent comes primed with the food shopping list used presently & prices up the Santiago supermarket prices accordingly, they will see where savings can or HAVE to be made to keep their budget in-line with requirements.

Keith's comments re the reliability of prices advised by Dominican & some Ex-Pats that live here, should be seriously questioned & DEFINITELY checked for oneself - they are NOT necessarily lieing, just being over-optermistic at times with what they 'Believe' to be true. Santo Domingo is definitely out of the question in my mind but then what the heck do I know living in the north??? ~ Grahame.
 

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noel,
on a budget of 30,000 pesos for a month - that is extremely doable for a single adult living a no frills lifestyle, not easy for a couple, & bordering on rather difficult for 2 adults & 2 children. Have you got to factor in schooling costs? If yes, then I would have strong doubts as to viability of budget. Does your 'emergency fund' for the unexpected have to come out of the 30,000 or would you have that as a separate item? Unexpected = unforeseen medical costs etc.
 

noel

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Thanks so much to everybody for the replies thus far. It's really helpful to have this perspective.

I will look into Santiago more -- we had not been considering it. Does anyone happen to know the names of good hotels there that would fit our budget?

I also understand what folks are saying about budget -- indeed it may be that what we're shooting for is kind of tight, but basically I'm adopting the strategy of aiming to fit within very low ceilings, and only adding onto that as it becomes necessary. Does that make any sense?

Another question: Does anyone have any opinions on the sense/practicality of trying to find some kind of "package" up front for the first week or so: basically, something where we might be spending more per day for that first 1-2 weeks, but the family could be comfortable (let's say, on the beach), while I go and locate a place? I am just wondering if there really are affordable packages that could make this sensible; again, everything I find through Internet searches is just way out of our budget.

Thanks again for everybody's really helpful insights!

Noel
 

rafael

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Since you did specify santo domingo area and seem prepared to not live like a tourist. . . . .

In santo domingo on the other side of the bridge. east side. Zona oriental. Apartments are MUCH cheaper. You can most likely get a 3 bedroom for 6000 pesos, maybe less if you look in person. That will be in a "middle class" dominican neighborhood.

Since you specify high speed internet you will want to be in the area around autopista san isidro. That is the only area I know of on that side of the city that has DSL available. Probably because the zona franca is on san isidro. Also the power in that area used to be pretty reliable also most likely dur to being near the free zone.

It is much quieter on that side of the bridge, and that has pluses and minuses.
To get to the center of the city would be more difficult and taxis can add up. Unless you start taking publicos.

I lived off of san isidro for about a year. 2 bedroom apartment. It was brand new when we moved in. Not even close to luxury but everything was new. It was in La Moneda which was a development built by a bank. Because of this, many of the residents worked for said bank.

It was a 2 bedroom, 2 bath. Large living and dining room. Small kitchen and a decent sized balcony. It was located above a colmado which once again could be great, when you needed to buy a few things. . . . .like beer. . . .but could get annoying when it was late and there was a party outside the colmado.

There was a little patch of land out front and there would be 30-40 kids playing outside every night. A block away was a basketball court. There were a few colegios nearby. No private schools etc.

A few hair salons, and colmados. For supermarkets we had to go further west on san isidro. It used to be that if you spent at least 1,000 pesos the supermarket would pay for your taxi home. I never tried that so don't know how well it works.

We had DSL, and the lights were pretty stable. No hot water heater, but that is no big deal. No AC, but I think I am getting used to that after 2 years in texas and 2 in SDQ, I have a higher tolerance for heat I guess.

You may also look into neighborhoods like Alma Rosa II and Franconia as they are OK by Dominican standards. Most DR1 members would never be caught dead living there. . . .LOL. I guess I am more adventurous. .. .or . . . .poor. . . .
I moved from La Moneda to ciudad nueva after a year and stayed there about a year. We also had 2 bedrooms, but only one bath. Once again brand new building with hot water and intercom. No AC or planta. Rooms were all much smaller but very convenient to zona colonial, malecon, gazcue, casinos etc etc etc. It also had a small balcony and the lights were pretty stable until they became less stable everywhere. Closeness to zona colonial and gazcue probably helped with this.

Both of these neighborhoods had a "flavor" to them. . . .LOL. I wish I would have video taped the apartments or had a ton of photos as this subject comes up from time to time.

The only video clip I have that can give you a rough idea of what one of these places was like is a clip I shot from my balcony in ciudad nueva. I just shot footage of all the food vendors on wheels that showed up each day.
I used to get a kick out of sending a link to that clip to friends and family. They would be sort of surprised as to where I was living. I called the clip "meals on wheels"......

http://www.dr-tourist.tv/pages/videopages/mealsonwheels.html

You can get to see a tiny bit of what the street looked like and the neighborhood as well. . . . .

I need to move back down. . . . .soon!
 

Chris

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noel said:
We are considering whether one of us (I) should come first and scout things out; ideally, though, we would all like to travel at once. If the family needs to stay in an (inexpensive) hotel for a few days to a week while we find something permanent, no problem.

It would be advisable to come down first and scout things out. A few days or a week is not a long time in the DR - I assume that you'll be travelling by bus - and it may take you longer than that to find somewhere to live - especially if you want to check out Santo Domingo, Santiago and a few of the smaller towns around. If you're pressed by budget while living in a hotel, you may just make the wrong decision.
 

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You asked about a hotel in Santiago that would fit in your budget. I highly recommend the Colonial on Salvador Cucurollo, tel 247-3122, fax 582-0811. I believe you will find the accomodations are better than you expected for the price.
 

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The Coloniel Hotel....

Ken said:
You asked about a hotel in Santiago that would fit in your budget. I highly recommend the Colonial on Salvador Cucurollo, tel 247-3122, fax 582-0811. I believe you will find the accomodations are better than you expected for the price.

Keith, I fly in from USA...One Way...and I am not a resident. But coming here with four people might draw more attention from airline and they may put that requirement on. Of course it also depends where you are flying from.

Ken, that is one of a cluster of hotels in that area...am I right? Then that would be the area.

Noel, Schooling is another item to consider. My daughters schooling is 1800 pesos per month and that is in a very modest school. And of course that requires a deposit also. I believe, Price of schooling increases as child age increases.

I would give yourself two weeks to find an apartment. A house is probably out of the question. Time flies by when you are apartment hunting. I rented a car three times before I found what I wanted in Santiago and finalized the deal. You have to look the apartment over very carefully, the contract over very carefully, the outside of the apartment very carefully...you never know what you will find.

Often the landlord does require a guarantor...but you do have to be overly cautious when someone here states that they will act as your guarantor. There is a good chance they will not come through.

But it sounds like you want to still come here with everyone and initially be at the beach...hmmm...don't know of any inexpensive packages. To actually look the country over and decide where you want to live...that could take a month. I still advise, fly into Santiago if possible from your location...get taxi to Coloniel Hotel. Stay there for week or two. That would even give you time to travel to the capital and check it out.

I remember trying to find an apartment in the capital. That was a crazy and challenging task. Talk about stress. I hope you speak Spanish.
 

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hey, i think i can finally help someone here,,i've gotten so much help here,,hopefully this can me my opportunity to give back....

ok here it goes...

i cant agree or disagree about Santiago , but i do know its alot calmer and cheaper than SD

know, i have an Apt in SD este right behind the "megacentrro/jumbo place" its a nice neighborhood in Domincan Standards, it has a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom, dining room, kitchen, small terrace, ante sala, (family room ) regular living room.cuarto de servicio with bathroom, i like it .....i guess good enough for your request and am looking to rent it out for 6,000 pesos ..the tenant underneath pays me 6,000 and is a foreigher (Peruvian to be exact) and he's fine with the 6,000 considering what the neighbors are paying...i beleive they are always home and have a watch dog....the neighbor with the big beutiful house in front has a Guachyman..

currently its being fixed on the prevoius tenant left some things broken so my mom is curently fixing it as i write this.it will be available to rent in Jan first few weeks to be exact..you cna pay in either pesos or dollars which ever you prefer....i have a realtor who works with me ..its in Cansino 2da. res. Amapola..

( sorry if this may seem as an adv. for relaty,but figured i can help),

according to sources, the neigborhood is nice, clean, quiet, nice private schools and inexpensiove, the public schools are also good ( i would not know i have no kids , nor have lived here)

this may seem sort of uncomplete info,,but if interested i'm in NYC u can contact me at 347-623-9972.... or u can e-mail me ....unicagima@hotmail.com

once again i think i mave broken the rule here...but i wanna help him/her or anyone else that may be loking for something decent...

Gima...
 

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