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easygoin

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This is really not a debate at all... but someone wanting me to post it here.
Before the time comes in March, I believe the product of Latino success in Major league baseball will be drastically reduced.... due to testing.


We have plenty of great athletes here, without some scrubs..(agents, owners ) trying to bring in, underage, uneducated, young kids to the minors and never make it. But in there own country they are sucked in at a very early age, adults saying your going to be great. Drugs in these countries run rampant, and that's where most of the players in these countries develop power, because of that.dont get me wrong they have great talent overall, but not too many last 10 years and put up great numbers at the end.

Here in America we've got plenty of athletes, but there are so many sports to play ,baseball is really no longer number one, but their physical ability to play numerous sports without drugs growing up..... well that says a lot for the US..... and a future for young children growing up here.
 

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Steroids are much more readily available in the US then in the DR, or are you saying once Dominicans move to the US they have a higher tendency to get start with steroids?
 

HOWMAR

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Conchman said:
Steroids are much more readily available in the US then in the DR, or are you saying once Dominicans move to the US they have a higher tendency to get start with steroids?
I beg to differ. Steroids are not a controlled substance in the DR. They are available from a pharmacy just like an antibiotic. Just walk in and pay. No prescription needed. They may not stock what you want, but can order most.
 

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HOWMAR it might be my usual saturday lil' hangover but i see a contradiction in your post ... you first say that they're available from a pharmacy, but then you say they may not have them in stock. And do you really think that a drug store will just make an order of steroids just to please one customer? Given our outstanding customer service (outside the tourism industry) history i really doubt that.
 

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project9 said:
HOWMAR it might be my usual saturday lil' hangover but i see a contradiction in your post ... you first say that they're available from a pharmacy, but then you say they may not have them in stock. And do you really think that a drug store will just make an order of steroids just to please one customer? Given our outstanding customer service (outside the tourism industry) history i really doubt that.
Let me splain you. As anybody knows, going to a DR pharmacy can be hit or miss getting your meds. Most time when they are not in stock (usually for pricey meds.) they order them from their supplier (or have a reciprocal agreement with a fellow pharmacy) and tell you to come back.
This is the usual everyday practice in DR pharmacies. Most receive daily deliveries from their supply houses. When you need an unusual item you may have to leave a deposit, but the pharmacy will have it the next day.
More than customer service being the motivator, it is the dinero. Now I suggest you go to your local, friendly pharmacy and ask what they can suggest for that hangover.
 

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I have wondered about this

First, to the OP.

easygoing remember I do know you and know that you have a very sincere regard for the young children of this world. I think that what you really mean is that because of the relatively large number of positive tests done on Latino players in general, there may well be a decline in demand for new players from the Latino nations. This may well be, but as long as there is baseball, the management teams will attempt to find talent at every level, and right now it is cheaper to find outstanding young players in Latin America through the "Training CAmp" system or by means of scouts that run arond the country looking for straping big 16 year olds. Like the kid from R?o San Juan that just signed for major ($1.6MM) money...

Now regarding pharmacies, I can only speak from recent experiences.

The CAROL chain of pharmacies is well stocked, and here in Santiago I have not had any problem finding a whole page-load of meds at local pharmacies.
But, in all honesty, I did have to do some looking around..

However, I honestly have not looked for steroids. Practicing Judo, maybe I should. :p:p:p For the sake of knowledge, I shall ask about some of them and see what comes up...

HB :D:D:D
 

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And whilst checking the farmacias "OLD" man, check out what is available from the Gymnasiums around. Many of the Puerto Plata gyms have access to (& will supply when asked) steroids for those wanting to build their bodies up!

No use to You & I of course, we are already sylphlike, but to the less well endowed ........... ~ Grahame.
 

easygoin

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To a great gent and also A GREAT old man

First off..HB..BB I'd like to say hello to both of you. Really my point is, that in foreign countries drugs are available, and I really hate to see a good product turning TO that page, because of so much pressure on a very gifted young athlete, that does not need that. I'm a very big Latino lover of baseball players that live here,or signed to come here. that comes from my father , pitching against Whitey Ford and beating him at the Polo grounds for the city sandlot championship... Catholic schools. He has twice the knowledge that I have, and coached many winning teams and always said Latinos play the game better than the USA, overall... due to speed, agility, and just being smooth at their position. I know if I took a 12-year-old Latino to lay one down ;) no problem.... not the same HERE. We just have a lot more players to choose from that's all. even if we play so many other sports...butt talent wise I believe Latinos are better than us in certain areas. ;) ;) ;)


I just really hope no young athletes get hooked into that crap.... and be the best they can as a team player naturally. Good luck to all clean young studs everywhere. ;)
 

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HOWMAR: care to do a lil' experiment? go ask for the most popular steroid among low/middle-class teens in this country, "anabole", in any drug store (include if you want the big ones like Vivian or Brasil) and see if they are going to send an order to their "supply houses" (usually a local importer or a doctor) just to please you. I did the same experiment long ago when i was in highschool and it didn't work ... maybe you'll have more luck getting steroids from any drugstore as you say.
 

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Sounds like the message to Spring Breakers

easygoin said:
Good luck to all clean young studs everywhere. ;)
Thanks.

As per the steroid availability per country, they are far more readily available* in the DR. Nevermind going to a random pharmacy - although that would work most of the time - but a buscone or other "adviser" would make that transaction (or connection) for that player. In the US, you'd most easily locate them through a gym/trainer. The great risk in the US is getting caught with/selling them; in the DR the risk is that what you pump into your arse might have you working a salt lick and eating scrub grass in a few days ? and 6' lower and horizontal a few days later.

From my understanding, the steroids come into play in the DR mostly upon a player getting noticed and then being included in a combine (i.e. someone notices the talent, invites them to compete with others). At this point, an "adviser" would make the connection and make the transaction happen (understand I'm simplifying this for the sake of the post).

A player then would have a window of opportunity to pump in some steroids and do the requisite work; run, pump iron, long toss, swing weighted bats, whatever - over a short period of time. At this point, the player would be going to a combine or a tryout "jacked". Looking good and swinging a powerful bat or throwing an electric fastball, etc.

All they really need is one outstanding tryout to impress the right scout and get themselves involved in the process and eventually signed - all of which can easily (seemingly) fall within a cycle (a turn of steroids). Standing head and shoulders above your relative competition will get you on your way. If you've done the steroids that could be you, if you AREN'T doing steroids and see what it does for the other guy, well..... that math isn't too difficult, even for someone with only a mediocre 3rd grade under their belts.

Get this: The effects of a cycle and simply doing forearm curls 5x a day and swinging a heavy bat for a week would be dramatic. If the player already has the basic skill, this uptick would turn heads in a very quick way - he'd be hitting "frozen ropes" ? and they don't get too many "frozen ropes" on the island.

It's not a clear-cut debate, but the DR/US ballplayer comparison is an interesting one. The Latino's in general have to overcome far more to get to the show - as they say - and that's what makes them so wonderful to root for (for me anyway). The US ballplayer has a lot to overcome as well, but in a much different vein; they have dozens of other choices for their time. Baseball requires a huge time commitment and that's not a problem on the island.

However, part of the reality of reaching fame from the deepest depths of poverty is that you've been built up from the bottom so the fall is greater. Hence, we have the current trend of Latino's getting the most positive tests - and of course the most press.

Baseball requires an enormous amount of committed practice and repitition; something Latino's have a greater opportunity for due to climate and fewer sports to choose from, AND it's been proven as an avenue to riches beyond dreams, so the motivation is practically inborn.

In the US (in it's simplest form), it's practically reversed, the middle class/upper are the predominant baseball players. It involves field time, organizations, uniforms and usually a sizeable cost (gear intensive). Whereas the lower class is probably more driven to basketball (one player can practice basketball in almost any neighborhood in the US - by themselves), baseball doesn't work like that.

easygoin said:
dont get me wrong they have great talent overall, but not too many last 10 years and put up great numbers at the end
What makes you say that? I'd say - and numbers prove this - that there are far more players in the past 10 years. Not many players put up great numbers at the end of their careers anway - they're just playing out their contracts/can't let go (Sosa for instance).

(*anyone can get them at almost every corner, they may be for cattle, but they can get them, that is NOT the case in the US.)
 
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easygoin

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What I've always believed

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Cleef said:
Thanks.

As per the steroid availability per country, they are far more readily available* in the DR. Nevermind going to a random pharmacy - although that would work most of the time - but a buscone or other "adviser" would make that transaction (or connection) for that player. In the US, you'd most easily locate them through a gym/trainer. The great risk in the US is getting caught with/selling them; in the DR the risk is that what you pump into your arse might have you working a salt lick and eating scrub grass in a few days ? and 6' lower and horizontal a few days later.

From my understanding, the steroids come into play in the DR mostly upon a player getting noticed and then being included in a combine (i.e. someone notices the talent, invites them to compete with others). At this point, an "adviser" would make the connection and make the transaction happen (understand I'm simplifying this for the sake of the post).

A player then would have a window of opportunity to pump in some steroids and do the requisite work; run, pump iron, long toss, swing weighted bats, whatever - over a short period of time. At this point, the player would be going to a combine or a tryout "jacked". Looking good and swinging a powerful bat or throwing an electric fastball, etc.

All they really need is one outstanding tryout to impress the right scout and get themselves involved in the process and eventually signed - all of which can easily (seemingly) fall within a cycle (a turn of steroids). Standing head and shoulders above your relative competition will get you on your way. If you've done the steroids that could be you, if you AREN'T doing steroids and see what it does for the other guy, well..... that math isn't too difficult, even for someone with only a mediocre 3rd grade under their belts.

Get this: The effects of a cycle and simply doing forearm curls 5x a day and swinging a heavy bat for a week would be dramatic. If the player already has the basic skill, this uptick would turn heads in a very quick way - he'd be hitting "frozen ropes" ? and they don't get too many "frozen ropes" on the island.

It's not a clear-cut debate, but the DR/US ballplayer comparison is an interesting one. The Latino's in general have to overcome far more to get to the show - as they say - and that's what makes them so wonderful to root for (for me anyway). The US ballplayer has a lot to overcome as well, but in a much different vein; they have dozens of other choices for their time. Baseball requires a huge time commitment and that's not a problem on the island.

However, part of the reality of reaching fame from the deepest depths of poverty is that you've been built up from the bottom so the fall is greater. Hence, we have the current trend of Latino's getting the most positive tests - and of course the most press.

Baseball requires an enormous amount of committed practice and repitition; something Latino's have a greater opportunity for due to climate and fewer sports to choose from, AND it's been proven as an avenue to riches beyond dreams, so the motivation is practically inborn.

In the US (in it's simplest form), it's practically reversed, the middle class/upper are the predominant baseball players. It involves field time, organizations, uniforms and usually a sizeable cost (gear intensive). Whereas the lower class is probably more driven to basketball (one player can practice basketball in almost any neighborhood in the US - by themselves), baseball doesn't work like that.

What makes you say that? I'd say - and numbers prove this - that there are far more players in the past 10 years. Not many players put up great numbers at the end of their careers anway - they're just playing out their contracts/can't let go (Sosa for instance).

(*anyone can get them at almost every corner, they may be for cattle, but they can get them, that is NOT the case in the US.)


In playing a game... first off have fun, Win or lose. ;) any successful athlete starts from, capable ability, desire, commitment, and confidence from yourself, and you're coaches growing up. And believe me athletes remember their old coaches.


I've played plenty of ball in my day... and was lucky enough to be around good teachers that were hard butts on nothing but basics. That's how you get good, and the Latinos I believe have down to a science.


As for drugs... no doubt about it, its rampant everywhere. It just matters where you live, to go about closing the deal for what you need, no more no less.


You give me nine clean on the field, and I could deal with the loss... but not every day. ;)


Where is my Willie Randolph. ;)



BTW..CLEEF,...WHY ARE YOU HERE trying to squash my thread when you have no clue...AND OFF TOPIC...LOL..LOL..THANKS FOR THE REPLY.
 

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Having had a successful college and modest pro athletic career back in the early-mid 70's, I've seen a lot of guys on juice (we used to say "Look like Tarzan, play like Jane"). I gave steroids a few weeks trial in my impetuous youth.

I can assure you steroids can/will make you bigger and stronger, but they will NOT make you more talented.

If you can't hit a curve, block a DT, catch a football, dribble a basketball, throw a 95mph fastball, or block a slap shot, I assure you 'roids ain't gonna help much.

'Course, if you CAN do those things (ahem...barrybondsmarkmcgwiresammysosaraphaelpalmierojosecanseco,etc...) they CAN help.
 

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project9 said:
HOWMAR: care to do a lil' experiment? go ask for the most popular steroid among low/middle-class teens in this country, "anabole", in any drug store (include if you want the big ones like Vivian or Brasil) and see if they are going to send an order to their "supply houses" (usually a local importer or a doctor) just to please you. I did the same experiment long ago when i was in highschool and it didn't work ... maybe you'll have more luck getting steroids from any drugstore as you say.
An order to the supply house wasn't necessary. A pharmacy in POP which is located a few doors from a Gym has "Andro" (Andorstenedione) manufactured by AST Sports Science for sale. The sign was right next to the Viagra sign. They only asked whether I wanted 50mg. or 100mg. doses.
I'm not going to divulge the name of the pharmacy or price quoted as you are a previous shopper for this substance.
 
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HOWMAR said:
An order to the supply hose wasn't necessary. A pharmacy in POP which is located a few doors from a Gym has "Andro" (Andorstenedione) manufactured by AST Sports Science for sale. The sign was right next to the Viagra sign. They only asked whether I wanted 50mg. or 100mg. doses.
I'm not going to divulge the name of the pharmacy or price quoted as you are a previous shopper for this substance.
Andro is not a steriod at all. I know because I take it, being somewhat of a gym rat for an old guy. It's a testosterone pre-cursor; in other words, the body cannot increase it's Free Testosterone serum levels without it. By itself, it does not act as a steroid or as testosterone. Bogus assertion.

The US banned it after the Mark McGwire flap a couple of years ago after a reporter saw a bottle of it in his locker. A really, really stupid ban, seeing that we now know it wasn't the Andro pumping him up, but real honest-to-God anabolic steroids.

I personally believe McGwire left the bottle in his locker to be seen, as he was coming under scrutiny for his "enhanced" performance. IMO, the Andro was a total Red Herring, to get the idiot Press off the real trail.

I may have to pick up some more Andro in the DR on my next trip. Really tough to get here.
 
HOWMAR said:
An order to the supply hose wasn't necessary. A pharmacy in POP which is located a few doors from a Gym has "Andro" (Andorstenedione) manufactured by AST Sports Science for sale. The sign was right next to the Viagra sign. They only asked whether I wanted 50mg. or 100mg. doses.
I'm not going to divulge the name of the pharmacy or price quoted as you are a previous shopper for this substance.


Thats not a sterioid. Thats widely sold in most supplement stores in the US.