No. Yes. Yes.paddy said:this is like the "gift" that castro sent the us..ala mariel. i wonder what happens once they arrive.do they mend their ways?or do they pick up where they left off ? and has this happened before?
rellosk said:No. Yes. Yes.
Many blame the up-tic in crime on these returning criminals.
EVERY WEDNESDAY..UNBELIEVABLE.....at that rate the good guys better start circling the wagons...Scandall said:This happens EVERY Wednesday. In the past the US sent several flights per week. They recently starting sending them all together on Wednesdays. In the past 8-10 years over 30,000 Dominicans have been deported. Very few of them are Deported merely for being illegal immigrants.
Another 91 reasons why hardworking and honest Dominicans are denied visas to visit the US. Sad but true.
Scandall
A good deal of Dominican-Americans are being deported as well.Readytogo said:Castro sent the USA any "undesirable" criminals of Cuban origin, the USA is simply returning trash to its owner
Nal0whs said:A good deal of Dominican-Americans are being deported as well.
Whose trash?
And, crime in this country started to increase in 1996, the same year Clinton initiated the criminal deportation law (that is not the official name of the law).
The question now is this, if all those criminals started to be sent back to DR in 1996, and up until then crime here was limited to a few petty things with murders and the such being mostly political people getting rid of "opposition", then where did these Dominican emigrants learn to be such criminals?
I would think that we would have seen all those horrible incidents occuring here and the US was simply returning us trash, but that does not appears to be the case.
Crime started to climb around the time the criminals were being deported back, this means that those criminals must have learned their "tricks of the trade" outside the DR.
Whose trash?
BTW, this is where the debate gets going with respect to these deportees who were "trained" to be villains in the streets of NY for the most part, and now are being sent here and they pretty much continue their "trade tactics".
Whose trash?
Edited to add: Other Caribbean islands have been facing the samething since 1996. Barbados (of all places), an island where people did not even killed a fly had to put in place the death penalty because of the increase hard core crimes being commited by deportees.
Again, the question of the day is, if they were trash of Barbados, why did the crime rate started to climb after the habit of deportation started and why did new styles of more brutal types of crime began to appear in many of the Caribbean islands for the first time in those particular periods?
There are crime tactics being used that have been known to exist in major US metropolises since the 1960s, now recently being seen all over the Caribbean.
Whose trash?
I'm not sure if it was their lack of ethics, or if it was their need to survive. I'd be willing to bet that a large percentage of these people were illegal immigrants who had a tough time finding legitimate employment due to the lack of necessary papers.Scandall said:The US didn't "make" them sell crack, steal, rape and murder. Their lack of ethics did.
As I stated in my previous post, I was simply bringing forward the other side of the argument. This does not mean I am truly convinced by such argument, but I am not fully against it, given that there are many unanswered questions that are constantly ignored by those in the US with respect to this issue.Drugdog said:I see a new liberal law being passed to make up for Clinton's mistake. Why the good old US will have to put millions of dollars into a after prison program and keep these Dominicans in the US. We will give them free medical care and education. We will even give them priority job placements.
Whose Trash? Give the new multi million dollar Dominican Prisoner Reform Act time. Then when it fails we will come up with another way to spend money correcting the problem.
What did you want the US to do keep them?
It is my understanding that the change in the law in 1996 only expanded the definition of crimes that a person could be deported for. Essentially it lowered the severity of crime that had to be committed to get deported. So while the 1996 law raised the number of people that were subject to deportation, it would seem the number of violent criminals returned to the DR did not go up.Nal0whs said:And, crime in this country started to increase in 1996, the same year Clinton initiated the criminal deportation law (that is not the official name of the law).
The question now is this, if all those criminals started to be sent back to DR in 1996, and up until then crime here was limited to a few petty things with murders and the such being mostly political people getting rid of "opposition", then where did these Dominican emigrants learn to be such criminals?
Good point!capodominicano said:I am not against illegal aliens being deported, I am against residents being deported for many reasons, the biggest reason resident aliens pay taxes & must register for the selective service. If a resident commits a crime I believe they should pay thier debt to American society & stay in America.
Well,Readytogo said:At what point were they determined to be "good citizens" and by whom (Beside yourself)
The USA is simply exercising it's prerogative and returning undesirables. tough luck, they belong to you and you have to pay the consequences
Rant on about whatever you want, bottom line is you are stuck with YOUR trash the USA doesn't want and will not accept
Merry Christmas
Wow!Readytogo said:You are correct, I have no desire to read your "opinion" as I feel it is not valid
You have the trash back where it originated, learn to live with it and stop whining, it ain't gonna change no matter how much garbage you post
I may agree with you when you are talking about the common drug dealer. But in NYC there are numerous crews of Dominicans that will do home invasions that sometimes include torture and murder. Most if not all of the victims are Dominican. Not all of the victims are involved in the drug trade either. Alot of the victims are hard working Bodega owners or some guy that runs numbers from a little buisness that he owns. There are alot of immigrants that are poor and illegal and have a tough time getting legitimate employment and would never even think about committing a crime. Some people are just plain evil.rellosk said:I'm not sure if it was their lack of ethics, or if it was their need to survive. I'd be willing to bet that a large percentage of these people were illegal immigrants who had a tough time finding legitimate employment due to the lack of necessary papers.
It's still no excuse to break the law, you have a chance to make something of your self in the USA than any other country in the world and they blew it.suarezn said:Capo: You're about the first post in this thread that makes some sense. The rest of these people don't have a clue in the world and have probably never met any of these deportees, so they're just talking out of their a$$...
I can tell you from my own experience in my hometown that the vast majority of these people were actually good people who came to The US with good intentions, then found themselves here Illegally, with no money and without being able to speak the language and eventually got involved in the drug business or some other illegal activity. Most of them would do it here in The US, but would never sell drugs in The DR as it is considered shameful in most families. They are just an easy target to blame the increase in crime on.