The new Gun Laugh

DunHill · Sep 7, 2005

I read DR1 today and saw the new gun laws, i have to assume that that is the next joke in a row.

It is now free hunting season for the lawless (correctly, the ones who don't obey the law)
They can now freely put a gun under your nose, stop your car, shoot you etc

I am missing the part that the lawless first have to sign an agreement with you, before you can defend yourself

As a citizen, walking on the streets youre not allowed to carry a gun, BY LAW, but the other party, the lawless, don't give a damn about that, so, pass your wallet and creditcards and other valuable things, because this action is approved by the goverment, and you are not allowed anymore to be a threat to the criminal.

Another, you drive your truck loaded with electronics to a client, normally we have a legal shotgun (loaded) in the back, if we are in the middle of nowhere and some idiots try to stop us, just showing the shotgun is/was enough to make them think twice.
NOW, they will have a free game !!!
We have to stop, find the shotgun in the cabin, and the normal cabingun, open the glovecompartment to find the clip/bullets, start loading and finally we are ready to defend ourselves.

I don't think the criminals will have time to wait for that, So, give everything you have wallet and creditcards and other valuable things, because this action is approved by the goverment, and you are not allowed anymore to be a threat to the criminal.

Criminality is increasing, and BY LAW we are almost not allowed to defend ourselves anymore.

What are they thinking in SD, how many criminals have a gun license, how many criminals will live according to the new laws, how many criminals buy a gun legally, they all will see this as the perfect joke and the opportunity to get rich, with less risks.

And many will see this less risky job as the perfect opportunity to get some cash ...

I hope this is just a bad dream, and when i wake up tomorrow, it is not there anymore.

RHM · Sep 7, 2005

DunHill said:
I read DR1 today and saw the new gun laws, i have to assume that that is the next joke in a row.

It is now free hunting season for the lawless (correctly, the ones who don't obey the law)
They can now freely put a gun under your nose, stop your car, shoot you etc

I am missing the part that the lawless first have to sign an agreement with you, before you can defend yourself

As a citizen, walking on the streets youre not allowed to carry a gun, BY LAW, but the other party, the lawless, don't give a damn about that, so, pass your wallet and creditcards and other valuable things, because this action is approved by the goverment, and you are not allowed anymore to be a threat to the criminal.

Another, you drive your truck loaded with electronics to a client, normally we have a legal shotgun (loaded) in the back, if we are in the middle of nowhere and some idiots try to stop us, just showing the shotgun is/was enough to make them think twice.
NOW, they will have a free game !!!
We have to stop, find the shotgun in the cabin, and the normal cabingun, open the glovecompartment to find the clip/bullets, start loading and finally we are ready to defend ourselves.

I don't think the criminals will have time to wait for that, So, give everything you have wallet and creditcards and other valuable things, because this action is approved by the goverment, and you are not allowed anymore to be a threat to the criminal.

Criminality is increasing, and BY LAW we are almost not allowed to defend ourselves anymore.

What are they thinking in SD, how many criminals have a gun license, how many criminals will live according to the new laws, how many criminals buy a gun legally, they all will see this as the perfect joke and the opportunity to get rich, with less risks.

And many will see this less risky job as the perfect opportunity to get some cash ...

I hope this is just a bad dream, and when i wake up tomorrow, it is not there anymore.

Yup. It's the same old story. Forget about enforcing the laws that are already on the books....just make new laws!

The kids who shot up Columbine high school a few years ago violated 17 state and federal gun laws. "Amazingly" the laws did not stop them.

I agree with you. Criminals are rejoicing. Their chances of getting capped by one of their victims just dropped. Man, I hate stupid government. Want to drastically reduce crime? Issue a shotgun to every household. It is actual LAW in Switzerland. See how low their crime rates are?

Then again the Swiss are not an uneducated gaggle like much of the DR.

Education, even at its most basic level, is the answer to just about every problem we have here. Until it is addressed, all the wacky laws and bullshit social programs will be nothing more than bandaids.

Scandall

tgood1 · Sep 8, 2005

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.. True in the USA and DR!

Ricardo900 · Sep 8, 2005

DunHill said:
Another, you drive your truck loaded with electronics to a client, normally we have a legal shotgun (loaded) in the back, if we are in the middle of nowhere and some idiots try to stop us, just showing the shotgun is/was enough to make them think twice.
NOW, they will have a free game !!!
We have to stop, find the shotgun in the cabin, and the normal cabingun, open the glovecompartment to find the clip/bullets, start loading and finally we are ready to defend ourselves.

I believe that the new law only pertains to handguns, not rifles, so you may still be able to carry your 12-Gauge 5901A Mossberg (Compact with cruiser grip) with a 14" barrel by your side.

I myself prefer the Ruger PC9 "Police Carbine" which can alternate clips with the Ruger 9MM, or if you desire a "one shot stop" I also prefer the Henry .44 Magnum "Big Boy" Hoooyaahhhh!! http://www.henryrepeating.com/bigboy.cfm

qgrande · Sep 8, 2005

Scandall said:
Want to drastically reduce crime? Issue a shotgun to every household. It is actual LAW in Switzerland. See how low their crime rates are?

Those in Switzerland are not for personal but national protection; It's a law that every adult male is a reserve in the army until 50, the fact that many therefore have a gun is a derivative.

Mirador · Sep 8, 2005

windeguy said:
...I see it is possible to carry the weapon unloaded in your car. However, what does the law say about carrying a weapon from your home or business to your car?

The new gun regulation is badly worded, with many contradictions, however, the spirit shows through, and it is to separate 'carry-on' licenses from simple 'possession'. And remember, in the case of guns, contrary to real estate, 'possession is NOT nine-tenth of the law' ;-)

RHM · Sep 8, 2005

qgrande said:
Those in Switzerland are not for personal but national protection; It's a law that every adult male is a reserve in the army until 50, the fact that many therefore have a gun is a derivative.

Yes, I am aware of why they have them. My point is that crime is almost a non-issue BECAUSE everyone knows that every house has a rifle in it.

Scandall

DunHill · Sep 8, 2005

We had a nice discussion about this, in the morning
Some millitary (high) and political (both parties) included

But finally we had one conclusion:

"Criminals don't obey the law, that's why they are called criminals or law-less"

BUT

You need to be educated to understand that statement !

MONCHI8 · Sep 8, 2005

I'm tired of going our and feeling like I'm in the wild west. Personally I worry more about some dumbass who thinks the answer to any and all argument or discussion is to pull his gun out than I do of criminals. I think some people should remember that criminals don't announce they're gonna rob you, they just pull their guns and if they see you're armed they'll just take it away from you. Also if you're worried about getting all your equipment hijacked then why don't you just hire some armed guards as escorts. Arming the whole country isn't the answer and neither is getting rid of all the guns. Sticter gun laws and enforcement of these laws is the answer and I think this bill is doing just that.

Guns don't kill people, uneducated dumbasses with guns kill people.

RHM · Sep 8, 2005

Guns don't kill people, uneducated dumbasses with guns kill people.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Which is why in the states and other "civilized" places, guns are not permitted in establishments that sell alcohol etc etc. If a person is inhebriated and carrying they can lose their license and be charged. Guns also need to be concealed and a safety course should be mandatory. I see the most unsafe weapons practices here. I will never get used to seeing it.

Scandall

amy2761 · Sep 8, 2005

MONCHI8 said:
Personally I worry more about some dumbass who thinks the answer to any and all argument or discussion is to pull his gun out than I do of criminals.

Wouldn't you consider a person who 'resolves' a argument with a gun a 'criminal'? :tired:

Stay well,
Amy

Mirador · Sep 8, 2005

Contrary to popular belief the Wild Wild West was actually the most tranquil and violent free epoch in American history (excluding of course the genocide of the aboriginal population), that all those stories about 'gun fights at the OK coral', shoot-outs, hold-ups, etc. were the product of the wild wild imagination of journalist who created the myths that exist to this day. I read this in a publication put out by the NRA (National Rifle Association of America).

DunHill · Sep 8, 2005

Figure this:

We don't want the gun to SHOOT somebody,
We don't want the gun to ROB somebody
We don't HUNT people for their wallet with a gun in our hand
We don't RAPE a woman at gunpoint
We don't STEAL your jewelry at gunpoint in the middle of the street
We don't SHOW-OFF that we are armed, untill necessary
We don't HOLD you and your family hostage with guns, to empty your house
ETC

But the criminals do that and that is OK according to you, hire a watchieman, who got shot or runs away or helps the criminals
Call the police, and pray that they have time for you or their phone is working, and that they have a car and/or gasoline to come and help/protect you

but when we want to PROTECT ourselves and our GOODS when NECESSARY

you call us wild-west-dumbasses ??

Ricardo900 · Sep 8, 2005

good post

DunHill said:
Figure this:

We don't want the gun to SHOOT somebody,
We don't want the gun to ROB somebody
We don't HUNT people for their wallet with a gun in our hand
We don't RAPE a woman at gunpoint
We don't STEAL your jewelry at gunpoint in the middle of the street
We don't SHOW-OFF that we are armed, untill necessary
We don't HOLD you and your family hostage with guns, to empty your house
ETC

But the criminals do that and that is OK according to you, hire a watchieman, who got shot or runs away or helps the criminals
Call the police, and pray that they have time for you or their phone is working, and that they have a car and/or gasoline to come and help/protect you

but when we want to PROTECT ourselves and our GOODS when NECESSARY

you call us wild-west-dumbasses ??

I strongly believe that every man have the right to "BEAR ARMS" Like the famous sign hanging in front of my yard says,
"If You Are Found Here Tonight, You Will Be Found Here Tomorrow"

Mirador · Sep 8, 2005

DunHill said:
Figure this:

We don't want the gun to SHOOT somebody,
We don't want the gun to ROB somebody
We don't HUNT people for their wallet with a gun in our hand
We don't RAPE a woman at gunpoint
We don't STEAL your jewelry at gunpoint in the middle of the street
We don't SHOW-OFF that we are armed, untill necessary
We don't HOLD you and your family hostage with guns, to empty your house
ETC

But the criminals do that and that is OK according to you, hire a watchieman, who got shot or runs away or helps the criminals
Call the police, and pray that they have time for you or their phone is working, and that they have a car and/or gasoline to come and help/protect you

but when we want to PROTECT ourselves and our GOODS when NECESSARY

you call us wild-west-dumbasses ??

What's all the fuzz about? The only change to the firearms regulations is that you have to apply separately to register a gun and to carry one on your own person. Now you have to justify your need for a carry-on firearm. All you need to do is state on your application that you are at risk, for example, that you handle and transport cash or valuables, have to walk through dangerous neighborhoods or areas of the country, someone has put out a contract on you, etc.

MONCHI8 · Sep 8, 2005

People here's the problem, in the DR we live in a place that's largely uneducated in regards to common sense. The day that Dominicans can form an orderly line I'll be the first one to say that everyone should have the right to carry firearms. Remember that we live in a place were your connections mean more than anything. In the US if I get caught with a gun and I don't have a license I will surely get arrested and go to jail no matter if my father's the General of the ARMY or the President. I have a friend here who uses his father's firearm when he goes out and he's not licensed to carry it or possesed it. He was stopped once with me in the car and when the policia asked him about it he said my father's so and so if you want I can call him right now. The policeman just looked and him and waved him on.

Now let me ask you does everyone in this country DESERVE the right to CARRY in public a handgun? NO

Should you protect your HOME and your FAMILY by any means neccessary? Absolutly YES.

Should anyone caught commiting a crime with a handgun be executed with that same handgun? YES

Unfortunatly I will repeat this again.... we live in the DR and things here don't work like in the US. I'm not against gun ownership just stricter controls as to who can carry/posses a firearm.

By the way I consider a person who uses a firearm to resolve an argument someone who shouldn't have had a firearm in his possesion in the first place.

Mirador · Sep 8, 2005

MONCHI8 said:
...Unfortunatly I will repeat this again.... we live in the DR and things here don't work like in the US. I'm not against gun ownership just stricter controls as to who can carry/posses a firearm. QUOTE]

Ram?n, are you aware that during the period that a psychological evaluation has been a requirement for firearm licensing (the last two years), no one has failed the test?

Did you know that the current Minister of Interior and Police, the department that issues firearms licenses, found over 200 licenses issued to people convicted of serious violent or drug offenses?

Did you know that revenues from firearms licenses (including renewals) have dropped almost 40% from last year? This is the most significant situation provoking the change in gun licensing regulation. Since all carry-ons licenses went out the window with the law. That means that all current licenses are outside the law. So everybody is forced to reapply for licenses. And the obvious, more revenue, for a goverment that seems to have a boundless apetite for spending.

HOWMAR · Sep 8, 2005

Scandall said:
Exactly. Which is why in the states and other "civilized" places, guns are not permitted in establishments that sell alcohol etc etc. If a person is inhebriated and carrying they can lose their license and be charged.
Scandall

How many bars that attract off-duty cops have you been in? In most NY neighborhoods there is one bar that attracts all the cops from the local precinct. They are all packing an off-duty weapon. It has only been recently that many jurisdictions have relaxed the requirement that officers carry a weapon when off-duty, if they expect to consume alcohol.

americanized · Sep 8, 2005

MONCHI8 said:
People here's the problem, in the DR we live in a place that's largely uneducated in regards to common sense. The day that Dominicans can form an orderly line I'll be the first one to say that everyone should have the right to carry firearms. Remember that we live in a place were your connections mean more than anything. In the US if I get caught with a gun and I don't have a license I will surely get arrested and go to jail no matter if my father's the General of the ARMY or the President. I have a friend here who uses his father's firearm when he goes out and he's not licensed to carry it or possesed it. He was stopped once with me in the car and when the policia asked him about it he said my father's so and so if you want I can call him right now. The policeman just looked and him and waved him on.

Now let me ask you does everyone in this country DESERVE the right to CARRY in public a handgun? NO

Should you protect your HOME and your FAMILY by any means neccessary? Absolutly YES.

Should anyone caught commiting a crime with a handgun be executed with that same handgun? YES

Unfortunatly I will repeat this again.... we live in the DR and things here don't work like in the US. I'm not against gun ownership just stricter controls as to who can carry/posses a firearm.

By the way I consider a person who uses a firearm to resolve an argument someone who shouldn't have had a firearm in his possesion in the first place.

MONCHI8,

I don't think you get the point. Criminals (including those who pull out a gun to resolve arguments) DO NOT care about law or not. They will simply continue carrying and misuing them as they do now, because they don't care in the first place if they go jail/etc or not (remember: they are criminal)

But, Law abiding people who do care will/may stop carrying them (if such law is here, don't know, haven't read the facts). Criminal know this, and they WILL take advantage. We would be at a disavantage, by law.

In the US is different. You have a 911 you can call anytime, and most of the time police will be there to help, quick. The need for a gun is less here. Not so in the DR, as you know. I live in Miami, and have never had the need for a gun. I feel safe in my house, in my car, or when I walk in a parking lot. No one has pull out a gun on me on the street (although we fight over traffic everyday), after 15 years in the US. If someone pulls a gun at someone else for i.e.g. "an argument", he will go to jail for sure. Last time I went to DR a guy waved a gun at me because I did not let him drive me out of the road at 100KMH. Do you think he had a permit? or would care for whatever...

Where can I find more info about this new law?

RHM · Sep 8, 2005

HOWMAR said:
How many bars that attract off-duty cops have you been in? In most NY neighborhoods there is one bar that attracts all the cops from the local precinct. They are all packing an off-duty weapon. It has only been recently that many jurisdictions have relaxed the requirement that officers carry a weapon when off-duty, if they expect to consume alcohol.

Those are cops, not Joe Blow. Doesn't bother me.

Scandall

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