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    Default Beating up on Leonel.

    Those of you who are beating up on Leonel, blaming him for all that is wrong in this country, and second guessing his decisions, are making a grave mistake.
    This is the instinctive reaction to something you donít like.
    The Dominicans will be reacting in the same way, and if we donít start right now, making sure that they understand that the problems we are now having, are a direct result of the previous government, there will be a high probability that the Dominicans will vote them back in again.
    It is our duty, those of us who have been privileged to have more education than the average Dominican, to ensure that Dominicans understand and donít forget the Hippo and his reign in terror.
    If we donít start now, we could be in trouble, come next election.
    Enough of the ďcry babyĒ stuff.
    Letís rally together to ensure our future here in the DR.

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    The only conclusion people can draw is that there is no real difference between any of the parties. There is certainly little ideological difference, and even the personalities are all from more or less the same mould.

    Leonel may have a more civilised veneer than Hippo, but he has been neither willing nor able (powerless?) to tackle the fundamental malaise of clientilism, corruption and ****ed up priorities.

    He has had to provide the faithful with botellas, jeepetas and contracts. He has had to kowtow to his big business buddies. His friends in the military are far more crucial to his survival in government than the crumbling education and health systems.

    Fact is, pandering to those interests is what got him into power, and if he doesn't feed them, no matter how noble his intentions were, he is out on his arse.

    At first sight, we say that this is what keeps the country back, but is it more accurate to see it as a status quo that suits the powerful minority? It is in their interest to have a large uneducated and underpaid workforce. The art of governing such a nation is to throw them enough titbits to keep them from rising up, and as we see here into the DR, it is a fine balance.

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    Default Some people say the Holocaust never happened.

    Chirimoya,
    The reason I opened this thread, as opposed to replying in other Leonel related threads that are now running, is to point out that we need to have a different attitude than what is being posted elsewhere.
    It doesn't matter, what he is doing right or wrong.
    What really matters to me, and should matter to all DR residents, is that we rally behind him and spread the word to Dominicans, so as to not have another "Hippo Fiasco", 3 years from now.
    We have a moral responsibility and a vested interest, to stand up and be counted, and stop whining.
    Let us not forget what Hippo did to this country!

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    I agree, Rocky.

    There is no way to know now where the DR will be at the end of Leonel's term, but I am absolutely certain that there will still be many of the problems. Possibly this will be because Leonel failed as a wizard, but more likely it will be because major changes in direction are made slowly.

    If you have never had the experience of leading a large organization through major changes in direction, you don't realize how long it takes. You also don't, except in the movies and on TV, start off by completely alienating the people in entrenched power positions. You start where they are, they gradually make changes.

    The fact that the Congress is controlled by Hippo's party, and that it has a vested interest in seeing Leonel fail, must also not be forgotten. Though from the tone of some of the posts on this board, it seems it has been. If Leonel did not have to have the support of many of the people whose actions we would like to see dealt with, I believe that he would have been able to move more quickly than has been possible given the present situation.

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    Default Im with you Rocky!

    Im with you Rocky! Sure, you can find plenty of things wrong with Leonel. However, there is no one around that is 1/2 as capable as him in his party (except for Danilo who has zero charisma) or the PRSC. The PRD is totally
    incapable of governing since they are just a conglomerate of personal and
    party interests and the usual attitude is the hell with the country and the people.

    My fear, as I assume is yours, is that the country will blame Leonel for the mess we are in, most of it Hippo's doing and some of it not in our control, and look again to the PRD. The great Dominican masses are not necessarily smart or know or care about the real reasons of all our problems. A case in point is this Saturday at the gas stations: Leonel's government has set up
    a system to save fuel making gas stations close at 8 daily, at noon Saturday
    and Sunday closed. This first Saturday there was a mess at all gas stations and people totally ticked off at the government.

    Most Dominicans are not, I repeat, are not very smart or know or care about what is really going on and are fanatical about their party loyalties,
    regardless. A very short memory is also usual and now people have forgotten about Hippo's lousy government and had he been there now the dollar exchange would be 80 to 1, a plantain 20 pesos, bread 10, eggs 15, a pound of chicken 100 pesos and a pound of beef 200, etc. Well, you get the idea.
    God Save Us From Ourselves!

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    Ken,
    You have much greater insight into politics than I do and what you say, makes perfect sense.
    Frank,
    You have captured the true essence of the problem.

    We should use every opportunity when in contact with Dominicans, to make sure they don't forget the REAL reson we are in this mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken
    The fact that the Congress is controlled by Hippo's party, and that it has a vested interest in seeing Leonel fail, must also not be forgotten.

    EXACTLY!! How can you work with people to make positive change when all they want is to stab you in the back? Essentially, they're two parties working towards two different goals in the same office .... recipie (sp?) for disaster if you ask me.

    Leonel has strived to make positive changes and all we can do is try to support him whilst educating people in the basic rule that it will get worse before it gets better, but once it starts getting better there's only one way and that's up.

    Stay well,
    Amy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken
    The fact that the Congress is controlled by Hippo's party, and that it has a vested interest in seeing Leonel fail, must also not be forgotten.
    And that's why the 2006 congressional elections are so important. For those that want to see Leonel have a better chance at success, Hippo's party must be voted out.

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    Now we're talking.
    We have a job to do, so let's do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Now we're talking.
    We have a job to do, so let's do it.
    Rocky,

    Your words would have had the same impact on the other thread too

    Don't confuse a little venting with a lack of support. We all care greatly about Dominican politics. It effects us all.

    Political leaders need to be supported but they also need to be questioned. He is clearly better than the last guy but that is not a hard thing to do.

    I agree that the key to any true reform lies in the congressional seats. The Tiguere party needs to lose some seats.

    Scandall

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