How Dominicans will fare in the individual baseball awards in 2005?

toneloc24 · Sep 22, 2005

Pennant race, Wildcard race, MVP race, Rookie Of the Year race, Dominicans figure very prominently in each. Please no Yankees vs. Bosox on this thread. They'll be time for that later. Just want to see what people think about this.

Most Valuable Player
NL - Albert Pujols (Santo Domingo) vs. Andruw Jones
(my thoughts - Andruw Jones trumps Pujols this season, as Jones also plays Gold Glove centerfield on top of a better statistical season than Pujols, and meaning so much more to his club than Pujols. And that is saying a lot.)

AL - David Ortiz (Santo Domingo) vs. Alex Rodriguez (NY)
(my thoughts - Very tight call, but I have to go with ARod and not because of his team. I have the utmost respect for Ortiz. Stats to stats, it's about a draw, since ARod has more HRs and a higher avg, and Ortiz has more RBIs and clutch hits. However, the award goes to the best player, not hitter. ARod plays a very solid, some would say Gold Glove, third base. Ortiz doesn't play in the field at all. That's the difference.

Cy Young
AL - Bartolo Colon (Altamira)
(my thoughts - Who woulda thunk it?)

Rookie of the Year
AL - Robinson Cano (San Pedro)
(my thoughts - before June, who? Having a very clutch September. Alfonso who?)

Let me know your thoughts.

miguel · Sep 22, 2005

Mucho difficult!!

toneloc24 said:
Pennant race, Wildcard race, MVP race, Rookie Of the Year race, Dominicans figure very prominently in each. Please no Yankees vs. Bosox on this thread. They'll be time for that later. Just want to see what people think about this.

Most Valuable Player
NL - Albert Pujols (Santo Domingo) vs. Andruw Jones
(my thoughts - Andruw Jones trumps Pujols this season, as Jones also plays Gold Glove centerfield on top of a better statistical season than Pujols, and meaning so much more to his club than Pujols. And that is saying a lot.)

AL - David Ortiz (Santo Domingo) vs. Alex Rodriguez (NY)
(my thoughts - Very tight call, but I have to go with ARod and not because of his team. I have the utmost respect for Ortiz. Stats to stats, it's about a draw, since ARod has more HRs and a higher avg, and Ortiz has more RBIs and clutch hits. However, the award goes to the best player, not hitter. ARod plays a very solid, some would say Gold Glove, third base. Ortiz doesn't play in the field at all. That's the difference.

Cy Young
AL - Bartolo Colon (Altamira)
(my thoughts - Who woulda thunk it?)

Rookie of the Year
AL - Robinson Cano (San Pedro)
(my thoughts - before June, who? Having a very clutch September. Alfonso who?)

Let me know your thoughts.

Are we supposed to "think" as baseball fans or Dominican player's fans?.

In my case, I will only "think" as a baseball fan but I will go along with the people that you posted.

1- Well, many would say that Jones should win it since he is having a great year in home runs and RBI's, even if he is only batting .269. Pujols is doing better with a .334 BA with 39 homers and 109 RBI's. BUT my vote goes to Derrek Lee, batting .339 with 44 homers and 102 RBI's.

2- My vote, hands down will go for Rodriguez. Not because his parents are Dominicans or because he plays for my beloved Yankees, but for the fact that he is batting .320 with 45 homers and 120 RBI's. Yes, Ortiz is batting .302 with 46 homers and 140 RBI's BUT he is a DH and Rodriguez "kills" himself every single day playing the field.

And, btw, lets not forget Mark Teixeria, batting .295 with 41 homers and 136 RBI's.

3- Hands down, Colon.

4- I have no opinion about the Rookie of the year since I have not followed rookies this year.

qbzcandy · Sep 22, 2005

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BigCity27 · Sep 22, 2005

miguel said:
1- Well, many would say that Jones should win it since he is having a great year in home runs and RBI's, even if he is only batting .269. Pujols is doing better with a .334 BA with 39 homers and 109 RBI's. BUT my vote goes to Derrek Lee, batting .339 with 44 homers and 102 RBI's.

I agree with Miguel on this one ... D. Lee (44 HRs, 103 RBI, .338 BA, .670 SLG) is having one helluva season, and would get my vote. This being said, I believe the NL MVP will come down to Andruw & Albert, because they're on teams that are in contention.

As far as AL MVP, my vote would go to Vladi, based solely on the fact that the Angels would be nowhere near the position they are in without him.

toneloc24 · Sep 22, 2005

Think as baseball fans

Not Dominicans fans, or fans of a certain team, just based on your baseball opinion.

NL MVP - I completely agree that Derrek Lee and Albert Pujols are very deserving as well. However, since I live in Atlanta and work for the company that owns the Braves, I've watched the Braves go from sorry, esp. after Chipper Jones, Tim Hudson, Mike Hampton, etc, all went down, to 1st place. I'm not a Braves fan at all either. It wasn't as if they weren't in a competitive division in the NL East. The NL East is the most competitive division in baseball, with The NY Mets, Florida Marlins, Washington Nationals, and Philladelphis Phillies at or above .500. Andruw Jones CARRIED his club since June. The average is very deceiving in that many of this HRs were clutch situations. For about 2 months, Andruw Jones had no help, except the rookies. In the time, they went to 1st place. Also, he plays Gold Glove centerfield. You got to reward that.

Pujols has a pitching staff to back him up, plus a certified lineup, even without Scott Rolen. His stats don't lie and were the difference maker in many cases.

Derrek Lee has had a great season, but his impact as not been able to carry the team. He has no pitching to back him up, and his team is not even playing .500 baseball.

AL MVP - It's got to be ARod. Vlad is my dude, I like how he plays the game. However, he has strong pitching on his team. And the offense has done well in his absences. His stats do not stack up against ARod or Ortiz or Teixiera for that matter. Texiera's team keeps him out of the running. It's like garbage time stats at this point.

NY1 · Sep 22, 2005

NL MVP:

I'm gonna go with Andruw Jones. He has carried the Braves on his back with the help of a bunch of rookies. While Pujols has done the same, Edmunds always had his back. While Andruw's back wasn't always protected by Chipper who was hurt for different parts of the season

AL MVP:

I think David Ortiz should win because there was been no one more clutch than he has in the last 2 months of the season. He is also clearly one of the leaders in the clubhouse on that team. No one could have smoothed out the situation with Manny and Schilling, than Ortiz has.
With that said, ARod will probably win, because there is a stigma to voting for DH's as MVPs.

Al Rookie:

While I think Robinson Cano has been impressive. There are three other rookies that will probably take the spotlight. Gustavo Chacin has had a remarkable season on a less than remarkable team. He has had more quality starts than most veterans and a 3.51 ERA ain't to shabby for a rookie to go along with his 12 wins.

Johnny Gomes of the Devil Rays, .286 avg and 20hr on a god awful team, that gets no publicity, thus the voters probably have no idea who this guy is.

Tadahito Iguchi .277avg and 6trbi, the 2nd best hitter on what was the best team in baseball for much of the season. Many voters don't think Japanese players should be considered rookies, thus it will hurt his chances.

I say Chacin wins it.

AL Cy Young: Definitely Bartolo Colon

Cleef · Sep 22, 2005

The candidates are set.

toneloc24 said:
Let me know your thoughts.

I agree except for Robinson Cano. His defense is suspect at best. By my count he's cost the Yankees 6 games on his defense alone (that's just from the 'highlights').

His offense is real good, but defense is more important at his position. He looks like he's going to be really good in the future.

I like Reed (CF-Seattle - best CF in the AL), Houston Street (RP-Oakland) or maybe even Jorge Cantu 110+ RBI second baseman Tampa Mall Rays.

My vote goes to Houston Street.

In the pennant races I'd like to see the White Sox fall out all together, their regress to the mean has been a precipitous fall - as it should be, they're not that good. And I despise their announcers. I like Ozzie Guillen, but what I really want to see is him throw a nutty when they blow a big game at the end.

As for the most interesting battle IMO, Ortiz and MeRod. At this point I think Ortiz has it by the slimmest of margins - for no other reason than the dramatics of his hits in the past couple weeks - which get tons of air time (which the voters see).

MeRod plays the defense and is generally regarded as one of the best in the game, so that should put him over the top, but considering the general distaste for his name, and if everything stays the same for the next two weeks, it's Ortiz. MeRod's expected to compete for this year in and year out, so those expectations require some dramatics, like Ortiz has put up. Tight race.

Playoffs start today. Great time of year.

May the best team win, just like last year!

Cleef · Sep 22, 2005

Andruw?

NY1 said:
NL MVP:

I'm gonna go with Andruw Jones........

Johnny Gomes of the Devil Rays, .286 avg and 20hr on a god awful team, that gets no publicity, thus the voters probably have no idea who this guy is........

AL Cy Young: Definitely Bartolo Colon....

Wow, Andruw Jones? I agree with you wholeheartedly, but I don't think any voters will give him - even one - first place vote.

Johnny Gomes would be the leader if he'd been up all year. How that guy gets fired up to play for the D-Rays makes me suspect he'll be out of the league for drug use soon. I hated his hit last night, but I love watching him play.

I don't think the AL Cy Young is even worth debating this year. Unless I'm forgetting someone, and assuming the Angels make the playoffs.

toneloc24 · Sep 22, 2005

ARod's AL MVP, hands down

Ortiz would get the MVP award, IF he played any defense. If he played 1B, this wouldn't even be a discussion. However, the DH is like a kicker in football. It's a specialist position, as are Closers. It's not a stigma, it a fact. You can't win a MVP award, if you're only specializing in one aspect of the game. I don't fault Ortiz for his position, but the DH can't be glorified to the extent of MVP. Plus, there's the Manny factor once again.

ARod, like him or not, plays the whole game. His stats aren't based on having the ability to rest in a 9 inning game. So when he hits a HR or provides a clutch hit after playing in the field, it hold more weight. No matter what Ortiz does over the course of the rest of the season, just one shot of him sitting on the bench while his team is on the field would kill his chances. Esp. while ARod is diving and making great plays in field.

I feel the same exact way about Mariano Rivera being considered for Cy Young. That's wishful thinking by NY folks and writers. He should not even be considered.

Andruw Jones won't get one 1st place vote? What makes you think that? He'll win convincingly. Why? His all-around game, except batting average, trumps Pujols this year. Plus, he's completely carried his team for most of the year. The Braves would be cellar-dwelling without him.

Pujols is barely the most valuable player on his team, much less the NL. He has Jim Edmonds, Cris Carpenter, Mark Mulder, amongst others. He had significant help keeping the Cards in 1st place.

Derrek Lee is very deserving, but I think the Cubs showing in the standings will diminish his accomplishments this year. He would only have had a chance if he pulled off the triple crown.

Most Valuable Player in the NL - Andruw Jones, hands down.

Regarding Robinson Cano, I can concede that he probably doesn't warrant more than consideration. While he has provided some clutch hits in September, Cleef is right and he has cost the Yankees his share of games in the field. Hudson Street has been a lights-out closer for the A's, and has been a difference maker for that squad.

rellosk · Sep 22, 2005

NY1 said:
Many voters don't think Japanese players should be considered rookies, thus it will hurt his chances.

Past history doesn't seem to indicate that: Kazuhiro Sasaki in 2000, Ichiro Suzuki in 2001, Hideo Nomo in 1995 were all rookies of the year with previous experience in Japan.

rellosk · Sep 22, 2005

toneloc24 said:
Ortiz would get the MVP award, IF he played any defense. If he played 1B, this wouldn't even be a discussion. However, the DH is like a kicker in football. It's a specialist position, as are Closers. It's not a stigma, it a fact. You can't win a MVP award, if you're only specializing in one aspect of the game. I don't fault Ortiz for his position, but the DH can't be glorified to the extent of MVP.

You're probably right. There's only been one MVP that was a DH (Don Baylor, 1979).

Cleef · Sep 22, 2005

toneloc24 said:
Ortiz would get the MVP award, IF he played any defense. If he played 1B, this wouldn't even be a discussion. However, the DH is like a kicker in football. It's a specialist position, as are Closers. It's not a stigma, it a fact. You can't win a MVP award, if you're only specializing in one aspect of the game. I don't fault Ortiz for his position, but the DH can't be glorified to the extent of MVP. Plus, there's the Manny factor once again.

Andruw Jones won't get one 1st place vote? What makes you think that? He'll win convincingly. Why? His all-around game, except batting average, trumps Pujols this year. Plus, he's completely carried his team for most of the year. The Braves would be cellar-dwelling without him.

There are exceptions, so it's not a fact really. I think what Big Papi has done this year deserves more attention and therefore will sway voters. Plus, he's very likable and that never hurts. My view is clouded with fanaticism, but I still think he wins it - if all things maintain their current course.

Ok, Andruw may get some Southeast media votes, but not many. It's not a knock against him, it's that the other two have been in what amounts to "the MVP playoffs" for months. That facade will consume the votes required to get AJ his MVP. Just my gut feeling. He has carried his team this year without a doubt, but the same can be said for Pujols. Take him out and the Cards are struggling to make the playoffs. The only way you could measure his greatness is if he wasn't in the lineup, and the question of true value would be answered.

Cleef · Sep 22, 2005

Explain this...

toneloc24 said:
I don't fault Ortiz for his position, but the DH can't be glorified to the extent of MVP. Plus, there's the Manny factor once again.

What's Manny have to do with this?

I can't see him swaying any votes away from Ortiz, they are hardly comparable.

Not sure what you mean.

More to the OP, the DR will be adding to the trophy case quite nicely this year.

suarezn · Sep 22, 2005

As a Dominican I'm just extremely proud that out of so many good players in the majors most of the contenders are Dominicans. How about The DR's team for the "world Series". There are so many good players that people of the caliber of Alfonso Soriano are going to be on the bench...That's what I call depth, baby...

toneloc24 · Sep 22, 2005

Cleef said:
There are exceptions, so it's not a fact really. I think what Big Papi has done this year deserves more attention and therefore will sway voters. Plus, he's very likable and that never hurts. My view is clouded with fanaticism, but I still think he wins it - if all things maintain their current course.

1st, remember this is NOT about fanaticism. Can you put that aside? I also am a fan of Ortiz, moreso than ARod. Ortiz has gotten plenty of attention. However, the award is NOT Most Valuable Hitter. It's PLAYER. What's the difference between a DH and a Pinch Hitter? Both are valuable to their teams and have put up ridiculous individual stats this year. ARod's separation from Ortiz lies in the field.

If things maintain their current course, Ortiz will be sitting in the DR somewhere watching the playoffs, and any chance of getting the MVP slip away.

toneloc24 · Sep 22, 2005

Cleef said:
What's Manny have to do with this?

I can't see him swaying any votes away from Ortiz, they are hardly comparable.

Not sure what you mean.

More to the OP, the DR will be adding to the trophy case quite nicely this year.

Just as last year, 2 40 HR, 120 RBI teammates cancel themselves out of contention. Who's more valuable Manny or Ortiz? Would Ortiz have the same numbers if Manny weren't there? Would Manny have the same numbers if Ortiz wasn't there? Should Manny get any votes for MVP? Not so sure about that, but if stats are the comparison, they are pretty even. Also, Manny's plays a lousy LF, but he plays in the field nonetheless. It does play into consideration.

Yeah, Manny's a headcase, but he's one of the most dangerous hitters in the game. Has been for a long time. The BoSox have won with him alone before Ortiz, just not the World Series.

toneloc24 · Sep 22, 2005

Cleef said:
Ok, Andruw may get some Southeast media votes, but not many. It's not a knock against him, it's that the other two have been in what amounts to "the MVP playoffs" for months. That facade will consume the votes required to get AJ his MVP. Just my gut feeling. He has carried his team this year without a doubt, but the same can be said for Pujols. Take him out and the Cards are struggling to make the playoffs. The only way you could measure his greatness is if he wasn't in the lineup, and the question of true value would be answered.

The Cards would probably still win their division without Pujols. It just wouldn't be so convincing. They'd still definitely make the playoffs. There was always a Jim Edmonds, Larry Walker, or Reggie Sanders around. Plus, he had pitching all year.

The Braves would probably be in last place of their division without Andruw Jones. Andruw Jones was being backed up in the lineup by 56 yr old Julio Franco and a bunch of rookies right off the farm. No Chipper Jones for a couple of prolonged absences from the lineup.

Cleef · Sep 22, 2005

You lost me.

It must be past 5pm, on a payday, wherever you are.

easygoin · Sep 22, 2005

And baseball today

Is just a business.... owners, agents, and 99% of players. I've never heard anyone also mention on this thread about umpires? It's all about money and not overall talent lets face it. Starters on the pitch count? Situational batters, runners, pitchers, and I can go on and on... is a big joke. Real ballplayers do it all, as far as being well-rounded. Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz are not ballplayers...and So many others by any means for overall talent...... for what the game should be for every ballplayer that steps on the field.

As far as Mr. Jones, high expectations early... big bat...no,no,no, but there is no center fielder that can go back on a ball over the years like he. Now he's got wood, there is no question what he is done this season. A+

asopao · Sep 22, 2005

baseball sucks

I don't give a damn about baseball. What's fun about watching men in tights? ( pantalones chicles). Maybe for the women. Ball games are stupid, the only ballgame I watch is women's volleyball sometimes and my own ballgame with the ladies

. I do practice combat sports,because they are useful .

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