What Dominican Republic will be like in 10 years

Golo100

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-Only billionaires will be able to own anything in a beachfront
-A car will cost more than the equivalent or relative value, that is, a luxury car will cost more than a luxury apartment. Our cars will be the most expensive in the world, if already isn't.
-Our gas prices will outrun Europe's. We will burn our forests down to cook.
-Most Dominicans will need someone living abroad to support their income, otherwise they will starve. Hardly anyone will work. It will be useless. Salaries will be so low and prices so high, no one will be able to afford to get to work, eat and pay for their clothes to go to work.
-Haitians will take over our entire labor force. Dominicans will just sit at home watching Haitians from Colmadoes.
-You will have to pay a whole month's income to see a live show by a lousy merengue or bachata band, if either exist by then.
-Dating will not be worth it. Paying for sex will be the norm.
-All movie houses will close. people will stay at home for whatever is free on TV, if anything.
-To travel abroad you will have to mortgage your home and probably lose it..
-We will all be taxed at 60% rate overall. The ITBIS will be 30%.
-It will be cheaper to buy a condo in Miami than in Santo Domingo.
-We will have our first Haitian born senator and a Haitian will run for president for the second time(Pe?a Gomez was the first). But this time it will be a truly recognized Haitian. If alive, I will vote for him.
-Haitians will be 40% of the population. Intermarriages will be commonplace. A large number of our children will be named Pierre, Jean and Francois.
- Dominicans will begin to migrate to Haiti for cheaper housing, living expenses and opportunities.
-There will be more Haitians than Dominicans in the provinces of Dajabon, Elias Pi?a, Pedernales and Barahona. San Pedro De Macoris will be mostly Haitian, with a Haitian mayor and senator. Likewise La Romana. Every Dominican will have a Haitian neighbor.
-Most Dominicans will be able to operate internet, sophisticated cellphones, but will not understand how to read a literary work of art, will never be able to understand abstract art and will not be able to add or subtract without a calculator. Our universities will graduate sophisticated "?ames".
Anything else?
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Criss Colon

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Boy-O-Boy" Golo You Sure Have Got That Wrong!!!

Only the "In Ten Years" part that is!!!!!!
Sounds more like right now!!!!
Just came back from a weekend of "Charity Work" in Sosua.Saw more "Haitian Faces" on the streets of the North Shore than I did Dominicans!!!:cry:
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GringoCArlos

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Golo, I am a little sceptical on your skills as a prognosticator. Do you remember wishing for gas to go up to 100 pesos so you could zoom down the streets at 100 mph because everyone else would quit driving and the streets would be empty??? Streets are just as busy as ever, maybe worse, even with 1/2 of the publicos taken off the streets.

I'll add my 2 pesos. Right now, the poor still pay taxes, mainly through the National Lottery, which to them amounts to a 'poor' tax. They pay some ITBIS on a few things as well, so the poor are probably paying between 5% to 7% in the form of taxes (rather than nothing).

For productive people in this country, between paying 16% ITBIS, and congress wanting to raise the top income tax level from 25% up to 30%, that puts their tax load at 46%. They don't pay it, they pass the costs on to their customers. Government doesn't get this.

Translated, the government wants to be as much as a 46% partner in any major business activity, and the government bureaucrats are crying to the IMF and the Paris Club about being "broke".

When Trujillo got to the point of controlling 65% of this country's GDP by literally stealing other people's property and money in one way or another, one morning he was found stuffed in the trunk of his car. At the rate they are progressing, the people running La Republica will add another 19% in some form or other of taxes long before the next 10 years are up.

Do you think the Dominican people will let the Haitians take over? Could be, if the Haitians promise to ask for less in taxes, which would also help to drop prices on everything the poor buy.

P.S. - Everyone already pays for sex, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. We all choose the manner in which way we pay.
 
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NALs

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Well, remember this?

Venezuelan Military says DR will dissapear in 50 years if illegal migration is not stopped
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=28662

Haitian government official critics the DR-Haitian relations
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=43563

Haitians violate Dominican authorities in the border
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=20911

Hondo Valle can now be considered a part of Haiti
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=28908

Santiago residents are preocupied with influx of haitians and crime
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=15998

Haitian burns his own countrymen in Espaillat
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=15915

Upwards of 900 Haitian children born in Santiago hospital every year
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=8759

Illegal charcoal exports from DR to Haiti and other islands
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=29799

Haitian mob assaults and steal from Dominican motorcyclists
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=29537

Haitians with false identification cards are arrested
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=10606

The exterior commerce of Spain writes "In DR speaks Haitian Creole"
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=28131

Haitians deforest the Artibonite Gorge
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=28064

15,000 Haitians deported in 3 months
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=29046

Haitian Priest illegally declare 87 Haitian nationals as Dominican Citizens
http://www.hoy.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=56113

Nuncio says DR cannot absorb any more Haitian migrants
http://www.hoy.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=57247

Catholic Church addresses the illegal Haitian migration crisis
http://www.hoy.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=56563

Delicate! (Migration crisis)
http://www.hoy.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=55699

Haitians assault and decapitate a Dominican Businessman
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=23544

National Police kills two Haitians who were robbing a Pharmacy
http://www.elnacional.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=21062


And this is only a small sample...

Much of this, if not all of it, could have been avoided if illegals would be deported, Dominican labor laws would be adhered, and the border control are expanded to areas of sparse control and re-enforced in areas already under vigilance from authorities.

In addition to this, the Haitian government should be more understanding of what we are going through and not be too quick at criticism. They themselves asked Dominicans to have more patience with illegal repatriations because Haiti can't handle such large influx of deportees, imagine how we feel with people who technically do not belong to us?!

And then we add the economic costs of all of this...:ermm:

Soon, these typical sceneries of our beloved country:
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Will begin to look like these sceneries of many areas of Haiti:
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This is the most sad thing this land faces.
-NAL
 
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Ricardo900

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And after all of this, the border is still wide open. I guess building a Metro or island (off the Malecon) is more important than building a fence.
 

GringoCArlos

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And just who do you think would do the actual work of building the Metro or the Big Island, if not Haitians???
 

NALs

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The island is private money, so please leave this out of this.

However, the metro is not and guess what, constructing a metro does not gets the attention of NGO's forcing the OAS to sanction the country.

Constructing a fence along the border, then we will probably be ordered by the OAS to eliminate the notion of a border!

-NAL
 

GringoCArlos

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Leave the Big Island out of this, because it is 'private money' ???? Sorry, I can't.

I would think that 'private money' is at the root of 98% of the Haitians employed in the Dominican Republic. The cane growers are privately held, for the most part. They need Haitians to cut cane. Contractors are privately held, and they need laborers. Even the phone companies hire Haitians to dig their ditches down the streets. The D.R. government gets their cut by charging every Haitian US$50 for their visas to enter the country.
 

NALs

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look up, I double posted.
 
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NALs

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I was responding to Ricardo's posts when I mentioned such.

Why?

Because the island was conceived, will be built, and will be operated by the private sector, public sector not included.

In addition, the DR government has granted only 50,000 visas to Haitians total. You are not suggesting that all the Haitians we are seeing everywhere are here legally and if you are, then you are wrong. 50,000 people will not be so numerous in so many places.

Most Haitians are here illegally and the government is not getting its "cut" as you put it. The only thing that is getting cut are dominicans from their jobs and, of course, trees.

Now, if you want to discuss labor, let's do so, but be clear of the responses I make.

-NAL
 

aegap

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Golo, Boquechivo en you are on the same train of thought!

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Golo100

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to GringoCarlos

It all depends when I made the prognosis. Perhaps at the time I said $100 for the price of gas the value of the peso could have been construed at a value today of $300 pesos. Notice that the peso has lost almost four times its value, where a $100 is less than US$3.00 today. When I made the prognosis it was about US$6.00.
Another factor is the increasing number of private cars, SUV's and even luxury cars using GLP instead of gasoline. It was unthinkable for rich people to be transforming their cars into these dangerous gas tanks in their trunks just to save a few bucks. But Dominicans are stupid. They don't realize that the cost of the tank and installation cannot be recovered for at least three years of use, and as GLP prices increase and probably will match gasoline prices(just like gasoil has done), they will find they lost the bet. It's not unusual to see Jaguars using GLP.
And, believe it or not, what I thought was a dumb government idea turned out to be a success in terms of reducing vehicle flow. The saturday and sunday gas sale ban worked!!! But now the government, in its usual "dumb idea of the month" decided to do away with the plan. So now our streets will be back to permanent traffic jams. People truly began to plan their trips. Now, just like good old stupid Dominicans...Let's all burn more gas again.
TW