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    Default reflections on gun ownership in the DR and other related things

    This post is partly in response to the recent tragedy in Puerto Plata where an Austrian man lost his life defending his home from a well known local robber.

    I am grateful for the sacrifice made by the Austrian in taking out this trash, even if it was an unintentional sacrifice. The situation has given me to reflect on the following.

    OK first of all, I do not own a gun. The reasons are varied, I suppose the biggest one is that I have never gotten around to getting one, I loathe paperwork and all unnecessary dealings with DR officials. (so hard to wash the grime off afterward) But it hasn't been a top priority for me because I consider my wits to be my best weapon, certainly one I have learned to use effectively, while a gun may be a more decisive and effective tool I simply lack the experience and training to be behave in any predictable manner with a gun in my hand.

    I have spent countless hours killing millions of tiny people (and evil aliens and monsters, as well) in computer games but something tells me this may not count.

    Aside from this fact about myself I think it is important to point out two important factors about life in the DR and how it differs from a functional first world society as far as the availability and effectiveness of police protection.

    1) The DR is very much a developing country, and most first world amenities are do-it-yourself and bring-your-own. For many this may mean owning and using a firearm. Particularly if you enjoy a standard of living that is likely to be enviable by the locals it is most likely wise to own a gun, and to make it known that you own one. Criminals are cowards and they want your stuff but they don't want to die for it.

    Personally I am in favor of people everywhere owning guns, but I concede that there is ample room for debate on this topic in functional, advanced societies, here in the wild west however it's another matter entirely, those who do not wish to handle a gun should at least hire armed guards or a security company to watch their homes and businesses, as I do.

    2) Apprehending a robber in your house involves a layer of complexity that I only thought of this weekend.

    There are really no secrets on this island, at least not for long. If there are robbers and thieves operating in an area you can bet the police know who, where and when. The DR is one-stop shopping when it comes to things corrupt, you've got your police, military, government, and crime syndicate all in one neatly wrapped package.

    So, if you find a robber in your house, chances are he's in business with the police, and they are getting a cut. If you think you are going to hold him at gunpoint until the police arrive and take care of him, guess again. The police are most likely going to shoot him at the first opportunity to prevent him from publicizing his past dealings with them, and he knows this. So you are basically cornering a dangerous amoral predator with nothing in the world to lose. If you're one of few people prepared and equipped to deal with a situation like this, good for you. If not you might want to think along the lines of survival, because that's what your intruder is thinking about.

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    Good post Sir Mike.

    I have recently decided to go with an alarm system, one that makes a hell of a lot of noise. Somebody may be able to get into my house but I doubt they'll stay long if an alarm goes off calling to all the other houses in the neighbourhood. Luckily we're in a small neighbourhood with many houses close by.

    I'd like to buy a gun but will only do so once I know how to use one correctly.

    Police? HA!

    Stay well,
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    Default Not a fan of guns

    I'm not a fan of guns. The purpose of a gun is to kill. While I do believe that if I had to, I would kill, I don't believe a casual user would be lucky enough, in most instances, to use the thing properly. I've also heard too many stories of even those trained in the safe use of guns to make mistakes that end in tragedy. I'm not one to preach gun control, but the things scare me half to death.

    I must admit to being a little nervous when I travel (outside of Canada), knowing that anyone may be carrying, and could use a gun at any time. Finding spent shells on the beach startled me.
    We've seen careless use of guns in Pennsylvania, big dope shooting at a deer on the front lawn around midnight, when we are all out on the driveway.
    I'll take big dog(s) and alarms for my safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy2761
    I'd like to buy a gun but will only do so once I know how to use one correctly.



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    Great post, Mr. Mike.

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    Thanks Sunny - I appreciate the offer.

    Stay well,
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    Question Guns? Mace? Pepper Spray?

    * An excellent post, MrMkike. Well thought out. Well expressed.
    * I'm coming around to your point of view, after 9 years in the DR, mostly POP.
    * Food for thought: will Mace or pepper spray serve the same purposes, or close to them? Both are legal & cheap in the DR, & available in hardware stores.
    * By 'gun', I assume that you mean a hand gun; a shot gun? Sawed off shot gun? Better, potentially better, or just more problems. are the any firing ranges in the DR where former non-gun users can take lessons & practice? Prices?
    * If 1 lives with a DR femle, for X years in contentment, better to put the gun in the name of the DR female? Similar experiences?
    * Any experienced gun users, or gun owners - legal or illegal - in the DR care to respond? Thank you.

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    I own 2 hunting riffles, antique ones in good working order handed down through family, so i can't say that i haven't a gun in the house. On the other hand i don't rely on them as a means against intruders. The reason being that chances are that the other party is quicker than i and to harm him you have to be in the same room as the guy. As we all know this can end in a disaster. Not chicken only realistic. I count for my safety on my dogs. The reasons are:

    a) They are mobile: an alarm system is fixed in the house and can't be easily taken with you and won't protect you while you're in the street

    b) If nessecary they can be sent in to do the job while you are at a safe distance. e.g. just befor last christmas i came home and found the christmastree lying on the floor, so my immediate thought was that there was someone in the house (and not clumsy me that had knocked it down while leaving the room) I simply send my dog to do a "search and bark" which he did (he even looked beneeth the bed) If he had barked the command attack would have been given without hesitation, the result would have been at least a ruined knee and i wouldn't have been in the nieghbourhood of the vilain. If you send 2 dogs and they work as a pack the result would have been "terminal"

    c) They are for the villain a small and fast moving target and for the owner "replacable" if necessary

    d) as such they are a deterrant. Villains seach easy prey and tend to avoid dangerous prey. Only fools or people whith extreme knowledge and protection enter a house with more than one trained dog.

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    Well said Mike, been here for 14years.Never ever wanted a gun but my House has been emptied twice ,so igot myself two good Doberman every now and then the dogs would start barking as someone was hanging around the homes round here , so i went out and got a second hand barrette and my permits ,carried it around so every one could see it and now the dog bark only when another dog comes around, the streets are quiet now.What I'm trying to say is its a good deterrent Dogs and maybe a gun .If you are interested there will be a few Doberman up for sale you are welcome to come round and see the parents within the next week she is due to bare her pups

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    Greg, what city are you located in? I might be interested in a pup. You can PM me if you want. Thanks.

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    Default guns

    Quote Originally Posted by gringosabroso
    * An excellent post, MrMkike. Well thought out. Well expressed.
    * I'm coming around to your point of view, after 9 years in the DR, mostly POP.
    * Food for thought: will Mace or pepper spray serve the same purposes, or close to them? Both are legal & cheap in the DR, & available in hardware stores.
    * By 'gun', I assume that you mean a hand gun; a shot gun? Sawed off shot gun? Better, potentially better, or just more problems. are the any firing ranges in the DR where former non-gun users can take lessons & practice? Prices?
    * If 1 lives with a DR femle, for X years in contentment, better to put the gun in the name of the DR female? Similar experiences?
    * Any experienced gun users, or gun owners - legal or illegal - in the DR care to respond? Thank you.

    I hear you can put the gun in the name of your corporation. The police cannot put a company in jail.

    Stun guns, pepper spray and the likes are less lethal, but you still have to deal with a ****ed off burglar.

    With a gun used properly and effectively, there is only one liar on the stand in court.

    cork

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