This new ordinance has generated a number of different threads on this board; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, thereby attesting to its interest to the board members. It is interesting after reading the 90 pages covering those 5 threads the different responses that were made to the subject matter as outlined in the different OP?s.
After having made a number of posts to number 6 I made a stupid post to number 5 and number 2. On the 15th I had read all the pages to all those threads and finally got serious and made a post that was meant for number 1 and inadvertently placed it in number 2. Today I noticed the error and did in fact place the proper link into number 1.
The question and discussion I am proposing in this thread is if this new ordinance is in fact having the intended effect on lowering the crime here in the DR. That is the object of this thread and not to the validity of the methods used nor as to whether you think it is leading to a different form of government. All that was hashed out in the other 6 threads and doesn?t need to be hashed out again.
So?????? looking at it from a standpoint as to crime in this country towards the entire population and not towards any specific group of people or sector do you think that crime has been lowered due to the present actions being carried out by the combined efforts of the military and police forces?
What crimes do you think have been lowered and what crimes do you think have not been effected by this new ordinance?
Though your personal observation are relevant to this discussion the observations by the Dominican public are of equal if not more importance to this discussion as this is their country so any light that you can shed on their feelings towards this subject would be greatly appreciated.
Rick.
PS ? The inadvertent post I mentioned earlier is here and a response to my post was made here. As the thread was closed after that post was made I wish to respond to that post at this time;
DominicanScotty you said, ?Calling a man who happens to enjoy a late night drink or doing nothing at all late at night a "bago" is wrong. Calling rich men "bagos" and accusing them of going to cabanas is disgusting?
I agree with you on this point and if you look at my post I said, ?I would consider ?bagos? and a few nonworking rich men?. As I was commenting about the situation here in El Seybo, which should have been apparent by ?After talking to a large number of Dominican in my community?, then I have firsthand experience of those that are at the drinking establishments late at night and I can assure you that the vast majority of them are bagos. I said bagos followed by the words (and a few nonworking rich men). These added words should have indicated to you that I was differentiating between them and the bagos. Due to their being rich they don?t need to work and if you decide to associate them as to being bagos then so be it but I don?t. The reason that I used the word (few) is due to the fact that the majority of the rich men in my community do in fact go to work everyday and due to that fact they don?t have time to go out late at night drinking due to their class and upbringing. Those few rich men, IN EL SEYBO, that I referred to ARE IN FACT MARRIED and DO IN FACT TAKE WOMEN TO CABA?AS. I know this firsthand so your attempt to argue to what goes on here in El Seybo is a waste of time. I was not referring to you and/or your buddies or any other sector other then here in El Seybo.
You said, ?Making medical statements/opinions about what the effects of drinking does to the brain as well as the society flaws that is brought on by the use of alcohol??, which was in response to my saying, ?There seems to be a correlation between alcohol and crime?, and where I said, ?Due to alcohol?s effect on the brain and nervous system there are a number of people that use this ?inebriated? state of a person to commit a crime against said person and there are those when in this ?inebriated? state will commit a crime that they may not commit when sober.?
As I said ?seems to be? I think this is an honest statement concerning the correlation between the two for the reasons I stated. I know from my past experiences of life that if you drink too much it does in fact affect your speech, vision and motor skills which are controlled by the brain and nervous system and I have knowledge of criminals taking advantage of the ?inebriated? condition of people. Also due to the ?inebriated? condition, of which I have been a few times in my life, that a person at times will do that which he wouldn?t do when sober. Are you saying that all those statements are false?
The fact that I am a moderator have absolutely nothing to do with the statements I?ve made and why you want to bring this up is beyond me.
After having made a number of posts to number 6 I made a stupid post to number 5 and number 2. On the 15th I had read all the pages to all those threads and finally got serious and made a post that was meant for number 1 and inadvertently placed it in number 2. Today I noticed the error and did in fact place the proper link into number 1.
The question and discussion I am proposing in this thread is if this new ordinance is in fact having the intended effect on lowering the crime here in the DR. That is the object of this thread and not to the validity of the methods used nor as to whether you think it is leading to a different form of government. All that was hashed out in the other 6 threads and doesn?t need to be hashed out again.
So?????? looking at it from a standpoint as to crime in this country towards the entire population and not towards any specific group of people or sector do you think that crime has been lowered due to the present actions being carried out by the combined efforts of the military and police forces?
What crimes do you think have been lowered and what crimes do you think have not been effected by this new ordinance?
Though your personal observation are relevant to this discussion the observations by the Dominican public are of equal if not more importance to this discussion as this is their country so any light that you can shed on their feelings towards this subject would be greatly appreciated.
Rick.
PS ? The inadvertent post I mentioned earlier is here and a response to my post was made here. As the thread was closed after that post was made I wish to respond to that post at this time;
DominicanScotty you said, ?Calling a man who happens to enjoy a late night drink or doing nothing at all late at night a "bago" is wrong. Calling rich men "bagos" and accusing them of going to cabanas is disgusting?
I agree with you on this point and if you look at my post I said, ?I would consider ?bagos? and a few nonworking rich men?. As I was commenting about the situation here in El Seybo, which should have been apparent by ?After talking to a large number of Dominican in my community?, then I have firsthand experience of those that are at the drinking establishments late at night and I can assure you that the vast majority of them are bagos. I said bagos followed by the words (and a few nonworking rich men). These added words should have indicated to you that I was differentiating between them and the bagos. Due to their being rich they don?t need to work and if you decide to associate them as to being bagos then so be it but I don?t. The reason that I used the word (few) is due to the fact that the majority of the rich men in my community do in fact go to work everyday and due to that fact they don?t have time to go out late at night drinking due to their class and upbringing. Those few rich men, IN EL SEYBO, that I referred to ARE IN FACT MARRIED and DO IN FACT TAKE WOMEN TO CABA?AS. I know this firsthand so your attempt to argue to what goes on here in El Seybo is a waste of time. I was not referring to you and/or your buddies or any other sector other then here in El Seybo.
You said, ?Making medical statements/opinions about what the effects of drinking does to the brain as well as the society flaws that is brought on by the use of alcohol??, which was in response to my saying, ?There seems to be a correlation between alcohol and crime?, and where I said, ?Due to alcohol?s effect on the brain and nervous system there are a number of people that use this ?inebriated? state of a person to commit a crime against said person and there are those when in this ?inebriated? state will commit a crime that they may not commit when sober.?
As I said ?seems to be? I think this is an honest statement concerning the correlation between the two for the reasons I stated. I know from my past experiences of life that if you drink too much it does in fact affect your speech, vision and motor skills which are controlled by the brain and nervous system and I have knowledge of criminals taking advantage of the ?inebriated? condition of people. Also due to the ?inebriated? condition, of which I have been a few times in my life, that a person at times will do that which he wouldn?t do when sober. Are you saying that all those statements are false?
The fact that I am a moderator have absolutely nothing to do with the statements I?ve made and why you want to bring this up is beyond me.
