The PRD party must be desperate!!!

NALs

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Ah, the things I have to witness in my life.... :cheeky:

Ok, so I habitually check my email inbox twice a day (in the morning and around mid-afternoon) to check my messages.

Look and behold, this time I got a message from an interesting person or at least from her party!

None other than Maria Ortiz Bosch asking me to vote for her! HA HA HA!!!

Are these people serious?? Me vote for the PRD???? Under my dead body! They had their chances and they blew it, twice!!!

My biggest dilemma now is figuring out who the heck gave PRD members my personal email address? This is not even my yahoo email account, but my real account personal account!

Has anyone else received this?

In any case, below is what I got from the horrible PRD:

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If there was a pucking smilie, I would have posted. But, I'll have to content myself with this one.... :confused:

-NALs
 

Mirador

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mark my words....

Obviously spam. I got one too.

The owners of the PRD decided a long time ago that Miguel Vargas Maldonado is their party's candidate, and the apparent candidacy of Milagros Ortiz Bosch is only for show. Miguel Vargas Maldonado, previously known as "El Mudo" now is talking with a ghostly rendition of the voice of the late "El L?der" (Jos? Francisco Pe?a Gomez) in order to subconsciously stimulate "the masses" into participating in an obviously undemocratic process.

By the way, Vargas Maldonado is the next president of the DR.
 

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I have had TWO - sent via my VERIZON address!! I get about 40 Span nails a day via Verizon so have now refused to download any of this stuff on to ny Outlook Mail system!

Don't these wonderful people who are going to RUN our (by desire to live here permanently) check as to IF people they write to have the PERMISSION to vote?? Presumably not!

What chances the country making sane & reasoned decisions then?? ~ Grahame.
 

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VArgas Maldonado, the one who helped that Spaniard wash all that money? You know, the Spaniard indicted in that huge, huge fraude>>>in Marbella.....

Yeah, he's had the training for the job....

Question is, will the DR bite a third time on the same bait>>>???

Isn't there some other alternative>>>???

Candelier>????

HB
 

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He would certainly be MY vote (if I had one) but his party isn't formed sufficiently well yet is it?? Maybe he will bide his time (& organise himself) for the 2012 Presidency & then come riding in on a white charger when this next lot screw us up even further!

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VArgas Maldonado, the one who helped that Spaniard wash all that money? You know, the Spaniard indicted in that huge, huge fraude>>>in Marbella.....

Yeah, he's had the training for the job....

Question is, will the DR bite a third time on the same bait>>>???

Isn't there some other alternative>>>???

Candelier>????

HB


I read something on Chiri's blog that indicated that Candelier was popular in the polls. Does anyone know what the status of his campaign is right now?
 

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Nals and the others...

It's funny, I write to the official PRD party to request information and have recieved none yet you guys recieve info without wanting any.... makes you think... I unfortunately think Mirador is correct and "MVP" will be the next president... something about that guy just does not give me a good feeling, take a deep look into his campaign pictures, has bad vibes or something.

Instead of voting for Candelier, I would rather vote for Estrella. Candelier will just be another ruthless leader.

Who is running for the PRSD presidency bid? De Camps?

Paz,
Heketi
 

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Open primaries

Today's primary election for the PRD's presidential candidacy are open to all registered voters in the DR, which amount to over 5 million voters.
 

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I read something on Chiri's blog that indicated that Candelier was popular in the polls. Does anyone know what the status of his campaign is right now?
I don't actually remember writing about that on the blog, although that doesn't mean that I didn't. :ermm: There was a poll a couple of months ago reported in the media, including the DR1 news that had the vast majority of the public preferring a "mano dura" (~iron fist) candidate. The person that springs to mind when that term is mentioned is Candelier.

I don't understand the logic of allowing the general public to vote in the primary. Wouldn't that allow opponents to skew the result by voting for the less popular candidate?

P.S. Nals, who is Mar?a? Milagros's lesser known sister, perhaps?:cheeky:
 

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HB I was amused at your wording, "will the DR bite a third time on the same bait>>>???" in reference to Vargas Maldonado and his laundry service.

When ever I hear his name I automatically associate it to Roberto Prats and their dealings with SEOPC which I consider much closer to home than that with the Spanards.

People sure do have a tendency to forget quickly...........

Rick
 

NALs

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Nals and the others...

It's funny, I write to the official PRD party to request information and have recieved none yet you guys recieve info without wanting any.... makes you think...

Paz,
Heketi
It's interesting, to say the least.

I'm still trying to figure out how they got my personal email address or who gave it to them!

-NALs
 

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Sorry to get into this one so late. However, I do have genuine curiosity about this phenomenon. This guy had no press coverage up until a few months ago. I never had heard of this Vargas Maldonando man until then, and all of the sudden he is slated to be THE next presidente de la rep?blica. ??? I am only aware of what HB mentioned concerning questionable dealings with people close to the Spanish scandal.
Candelier was a police commander, which doesn't quite impress me but what in the heck validates this (VM) guy's claim to the top job in the country- besides being a political appointee at Obras P?blicas during Hippo's rule. What did this guy accomplish that makes him a de-facto frontrunner within his party?

Mirador, please don't be cryptic if you choose to share special intelligence, it would be nice if you decode it for us Dominicans expats not as up-to-speed in DR politics as you guys there. :paranoid:

cheers,
-Tordok
 

Rick Snyder

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Tordok it was his dealings while the Obras P?blicas under Hippo that people are forgetting. As I mentioned in another thread, if you want the run down on this individual just type his name into any Dominican newspaper search engine and you will get all that has been printed in the last year. Just disregard the articles concerning the Spanish scandal as he seems to be covering that one up but nobody has mentioned that which he stole while the Obras P?blicas.

Rick
 

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The people are always told what to do, and who to vote for. The PRD owners run a very tight ship. Mr. Vargas was being groomed within the PRD for the candidacy for a long time. Actually, he had no rivals. Now it is up to marketing, and the natural decomposition of the PLD, to make him president.
 

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Not if DR biz community has it saying (i.e. Grupo Leon, and member of Conep etc). I'm sure they well remember the Hippo days and aren't about to risk such an episode again. ..In a head to head match up, I'd put their support for Leonel/Medina over Maldonado at 15-1. Through out the decades, the PRD's pararamount soucres of power were having control of a majority of municipalities and both chambers of Congress and all the patronage that went with it ...the PLD got all of that now ..and then some.
 

aegap

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Now it is up to marketing, and the natural decomposition of the PLD

Thing is the PRD has been itself decomposing at a dramatic rate. And the PLD know marketing better than the PRD.
 

Tordok

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Tordok it was his dealings while the Obras P?blicas under Hippo that people are forgetting. As I mentioned in another thread, if you want the run down on this individual just type his name into any Dominican newspaper search engine and you will get all that has been printed in the last year. Just disregard the articles concerning the Spanish scandal as he seems to be covering that one up but nobody has mentioned that which he stole while the Obras P?blicas.

Rick

Thanks Rick, Mirador, and aegap;
I will certainly be doing further readings on this matter.

So this is basically about hurting democracy. An insider-led political process picks one of their own compinches; one of several politicos of past dishonest public performance and turn him into a presidential figure by simple propaganda methods. Amazing!! Pre-Selected by the comandantes of a shamefully tainted Party. ....Has he presented to the people a platform or any grand vision for the future of the nation? What would make him believable in his electoral promises? Does he have "gravitas"? This kind of manipulation of the electorate is deplorable. I foresee greater misfortunes for the country due to this imposition.

What I can gather from all your commentary is that the PLD might be tilting into a final schism, thus becoming weaker and giving wider opportunities to the infamous PRD to return to their style of chaotic governance.

Is this all we can get? PRD, PLD, PRSC?? Is the country not capable of choosing candidates instead of parties? It is terrible that individuals essentially cannot run for office if not affiliated to an established political party. This disenfranchises the most basic ingredient of democracy: the power of the individual to challenge the status-quo within the parameters of the said status-quo and have a legitimate chance of being heard.

The electoral structure in DR is devised to protect the party-machine game of alternate periods of control of the executive by a dyad of major parties that ovewrwhelm the minor ones ( a'l? Dems & GOP in US; Labor & Tories in UK etc). In those much more mature nations independents can actually win, like in the recent US Senate vote when former Democrat Lieberman won in CT, and socialist Bernie Sanders was chosen by VT.

The political parties would like us to believe that only they have the know-how of running our affairs for the rest of us. Their brainwashing skills are fantastic, the lead voters into believing that the people need the party more than the party needs the people. Without opportunities for the smaller -but no less powerful- voices of people who wish to see real change in the public sector the prospects of authentic levels of democratic living are hardly achievable.

regards,
- Tordok
:surprised
 

Mirador

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Exactly!!!

Surprised? I doubt it! You knew it all along. However, are you willing to take your analysis a step further? ... ;)
 

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head and shoulders above the rest

tordok, very good but I prefer Mirador's more concise version:

Mirador said:
The DR political system actually works like a commodity market, where citizens votes are openly bought and sold, and political parties act as trading companies investing on the promise of future earnings represented by the graft potential of their participation in the future administration. Corruption is an integral part of the system, without it the system would collapse.

...the PLD's 'market power' is utterly dominant over the rest (i.e. PRD, etc).
 
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