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hey everyone a phone number i dr that starts 1809-202 would this number be based out of santiago or santo domingo. Does verizon/codetel offer any plans where they allow unlimited calling from santiago to santo domingo. i know they consider this a long distance call which is ubsurd.
 

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Does verizon/codetel offer any plans where they allow unlimited calling from santiago to santo domingo. i know they consider this a long distance call which is ubsurd.

They have talked about in the future allowing unlimited calls within the province, so that Sosua could call Puerto Plata for free, for example, but there would still be a charge for calls between Santiago and Santo Domingo since they are in different provinces.

I was interested in your statement that charging for calls between Santiago and Santo Domingo was absurd. Why is that? Because the distance is short due to the DR being a small country? Every profit making business needs money to pay expenses and give investors a return on their investment. If it wasn't this, it would have to be something else that you or others might also think is absurd.
 

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it is ubsurd because verizon now codetel is a billion dollar corporation and they try and squeeze every penny even out of even third world countries like dr. dr is not a poor country by any means but when u compare the rich population to the people living in poverty it is an outrage that at least they wont allow free calls withing the dr itself. thank you..
 

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my sister-in-law has just gotten into some "plan", i think codetel, and for about 8$ US monthly, so i'm told, she can call the US, my house in particular, and talk forever. makes me think of the the good old days..............
 

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"it is ubsurd because verizon now codetel is a billion dollar corporation and they try and squeeze every penny even out of even third world countries like dr. dr is not a poor country by any means but when u compare the rich population to the people living in poverty it is an outrage that at least they wont allow free calls withing the dr itself. thank you.."

You are wrong. Although arguing the point will probably be fruitless, I just thought I'd mention it in case it made you reassess your position.
 
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it is ubsurd because verizon now codetel is a billion dollar corporation and they try and squeeze every penny even out of even third world countries like dr. dr is not a poor country by any means but when u compare the rich population to the people living in poverty it is an outrage that at least they wont allow free calls withing the dr itself. thank you..


A successfull buisness operates independent of social ramifications of the populations wealth mix....it needs to cover the cost of running its buisness PERIOD....

Should Codatel be REQUIRED to build a tower out in an isolated area so the 5 people out there who want cell phone service can have it...AND THEN only charge them what someone ....who thinks they have a lot of money.... thinks is appropriate????

they have to fund their projects...and STILL..PLAN, on making a profit.

there should never be any free service unless the company itself deems it neccesary to stimulate orders....

bob
 

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it is ubsurd because verizon now codetel is a billion dollar corporation and .............

How do you think they got to be your so called "billion dollar corporation?

Certainly not by giving it away..........

Codetel is now owned by a Mexican phone company.

The owner of one Mexican phone company is the THIRD richest man in the world.
He is well on his way to becoming number ONE.

Mexicans are charged outrageous rates for their phone service,
............so do you really think things will change here?
 
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"it is ubsurd because verizon now codetel is a billion dollar corporation and they try and squeeze every penny even out of even third world countries like dr. dr is not a poor country by any means but when u compare the rich population to the people living in poverty it is an outrage that at least they wont allow free calls withing the dr itself. thank you.."

You are wrong. Although arguing the point will probably be fruitless, I just thought I'd mention it in case it made you reassess your position.

I can assure everybody that the only reason that Codetel charges at a minimum 3 times more than they do in the states for comparable service when there overhead is at least 1/6 or less(based on salary for technicians: Rd US7200 vs US US45000 annualy) is simply because they CAN. They have no competition and can very well damn do what they please!
 

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The World's Richest People

..Name..................Citizenship............Age ...Net Worth
1 William Gates III - United States ----- 50 -- 50.0 Billion
2 Warren Buffett -- United States ----- 75 -- 42.0 Billion
3 Carlos Slim Helu - Mexico ------------ 66 -- 30.0 Billion

Carlos Slim Helu ($30 billion)

Latin America's most well-off gentleman has made great advances in the ranks of the rich, adding $6 billion to his wealth this year. This leap comes from selling his MCI and Altria shares and reinvesting in his Mexican telecom interests, which obviously have been doing quite well, thank you. Other holdings include a financial services organization, an airline and CompUSA.

He sold off his stakes in MCI and Altria and used the proceeds to up his holding in Saks Inc; in his fixed line operator, Telmex; and in America Movil, his flagship wireless telecom outfit.

The latest was a particularly smart move as America Movil's stock has almost doubled in the past year.


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America Movil bought Verizon Domincana.
It was also reported that he is not a particularly charitable person.....
 

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yea i know who owns codetel i have even met carlos slim in person, but if you people would stop to think about why he is one day going to be richer than bill gates. its because of hard working people like us. i do understand that they are in the business to make money but i guess nobody here understands my point. also someone mentioned that people in mexico pay ridiculous amounts of money for phone service, are you guys still going to back him up if he does that in dr i think not. monopolies are in no shape, way or form beneficial to consumers. that is what unfortuanetly is going to happen in dr with the phone service, carlos slim can do whatever he wants with our phone service and what can we do about NOTHING. when he does this im sure everyone here is going to applaud him for it.:ermm:
 

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The World's Richest People

..Name..................Citizenship............Age ...Net Worth
1 William Gates III - United States ----- 50 -- 50.0 Billion
2 Warren Buffett -- United States ----- 75 -- 42.0 Billion
3 Carlos Slim Helu - Mexico ------------ 66 -- 30.0 Billion

Carlos Slim Helu ($30 billion)

Latin America's most well-off gentleman has made great advances in the ranks of the rich, adding $6 billion to his wealth this year. This leap comes from selling his MCI and Altria shares and reinvesting in his Mexican telecom interests, which obviously have been doing quite well, thank you. Other holdings include a financial services organization, an airline and CompUSA.

He sold off his stakes in MCI and Altria and used the proceeds to up his holding in Saks Inc; in his fixed line operator, Telmex; and in America Movil, his flagship wireless telecom outfit.

The latest was a particularly smart move as America Movil's stock has almost doubled in the past year.


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America Movil bought Verizon Domincana.
It was also reported that he is not a particularly charitable person...
Not particularly charitable?

Well, what do we mean by the word 'charitable'? Do we mean hand outs or giving people career opportunities and a chance to feel pride in themselves, bring home a paycheck, and be productive?

As of December 31, 2005:

1. America Movil offered a valuable and necessary telecommunications service to 100 million wireless subscribers, plus 2 million fixed-line clients. What would those 102 million people do if such service was not offered?

2. America Movil delivered a 37.4% return on equity and a total return to shareholders of 82.7%?and agreed to pay out the company's first-ever dividend. Hmm, the company has created wealth for many shareholders, impressive for a company owned by an "uncharitable" man, particularly when we take into account that it started to pay out dividends in 2005. Wow, what a greedy man. :cheeky:

3. America Movil was the lifeline for 34,574 employees in 2005; that's before the additional 17,000 employees from the acquisitions in Santo Domingo, Puerto Rico, and Venezuela earlier this year. Wow, giving a potential 51,574 people in various countries a career opportunity, some pride in themselves, and a chance to be productive is quite something for such a greedy man. :cheeky:

All of this from a company founded in the year 2000!

Yeup, he's not charitable enough, especially when we compare the amount of money the average joe gives for charitable purposes. I'm sure its an amount larger than all the wealth America Movil has created for its shareholders and employees, not to mention the much needed service it offers to millions of customers.:cheeky:

And to think that we have not even looked into the monetary figures from its total payroll, bonuses it gives to its most productive employees, etc. Heck, we have not even seen how many people have indirect jobs because of America Movil. Yeup, he's greedy greedy greedy.... :cheeky:

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Slim said his charitable foundations have about $4 billion in endowments.

But at 67, he is still expanding an increasingly diversified empire that now involves his three sons, and does not appear ready to focus on philanthropy. He said Monday that businessmen should not "go around like Santa Claus."

Gates, who set up the world's richest charity foundation, has said he believes "that with great wealth comes great responsibility, a responsibility to give back to society." Buffett joined in last year, promising to send about $1.5 billion every year to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, which has an endowment of $33 billion.

Article quoted was:

World's third-richest man gaining wealth - Yahoo! News


PS: Don't expect the Dominican government to step in and help. Remember, they get 28% in taxes for every peso the phone company charges.....
 
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Not particularly charitable?

Well, what do we mean by the word 'charitable'? Do we mean hand outs or giving people career opportunities and a chance to feel pride in themselves, bring home a paycheck, and be productive?

As of December 31, 2005:

1. America Movil offered a valuable and necessary telecommunications service to 100 million wireless subscribers, plus 2 million fixed-line clients. What would those 102 million people do if such service was not offered?

2. America Movil delivered a 37.4% return on equity and a total return to shareholders of 82.7%?and agreed to pay out the company's first-ever dividend. Hmm, the company has created wealth for many shareholders, impressive for a company owned by an "uncharitable" man, particularly when we take into account that it started to pay out dividends in 2005. Wow, what a greedy man. :cheeky:

3. America Movil was the lifeline for 34,574 employees in 2005; that's before the additional 17,000 employees from the acquisitions in Santo Domingo, Puerto Rico, and Venezuela earlier this year. Wow, giving a potential 51,574 people in various countries a career opportunity, some pride in themselves, and a chance to be productive is quite something for such a greedy man. :cheeky:

All of this from a company founded in the year 2000!

Yeup, he's not charitable enough, especially when we compare the amount of money the average joe gives for charitable purposes. I'm sure its an amount larger than all the wealth America Movil has created for its shareholders and employees, not to mention the much needed service it offers to millions of customers.:cheeky:

And to think that we have not even looked into the monetary figures from its total payroll, bonuses it gives to its most productive employees, etc. Heck, we have not even seen how many people have indirect jobs because of America Movil. Yeup, he's greedy greedy greedy.... :cheeky:

Am?rica M?vil
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Great credentials, fantastic businessman, business making enormous profits!

Are we supposed to be proud of a guy who charges us prices that would never be sustained in a free market? Hell, give me a telephone monopoly and I bet my 4 year old daughter can run it and make a profit, carajo!

It is precisely the attitude that this guy is doing great that perpetuates the whole problem! The only people benefitting are himself, his stockholders and his employess to some degree - the rest are jodido, co?o!!!!!

We will always be stuck here in the stone ages paying prices 18 times more than in a free market if the people don't speak up and say - que sin verguenza - robando la gente porque el peude!
 

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thank you so much chip finally someone who seems to care whenever we get ripped off by all these billionares running monopolies. what goes on is not business is extortion.
 

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hey everyone a phone number i dr that starts 1809-202 would this number be based out of santiago or santo domingo. Does verizon/codetel offer any plans where they allow unlimited calling from santiago to santo domingo. i know they consider this a long distance call which is ubsurd.

NPA-NXX Search: 2007-03-27

the site above will tell you where all numbers are located throughout the dominican republic, along with what company it's under, based upon the prefix: (example 809-272 = verizon santo domingo, 809-273 = tricom santo domingo).

Codetel/Verizon does have something on called plan nacional but i cant seem to click on it to get any more details.

by the way, 809-202 is indeed in santo domingo and is run by a company called economitel.

bear in mind, i'm not sure if it costs extra to call a cellphone from a landline, but, if you're stuck in another part of the country which isnt santo domingo then your best bet would be to get a cellphone with a santo domingo number then it would be a local call for them to call you and since incoming calls are free on cell phones in dr.
 

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bear in mind, i'm not sure if it costs extra to call a cellphone from a landline, but, if you're stuck in another part of the country which isnt santo domingo then your best bet would be to get a cellphone with a santo domingo number then it would be a local call for them to call you and since incoming calls are free on cell phones in dr.

ALL cell phone numbers, regardless of location are considered LONG Distance, thus the reason one must dial a "1" when calling ANY cell phone from a landline.

This being true, from a cell phone you need never dial a "1" to call ANY number in the DR, as the system treats the cell phones as always calling long distance. At least that's the way it is on Codetel.

The caller ALWAYS pays for calling a cell phone, regardless of the location of the phone, there is no such thing as a Santo Domingo area cell phone number per se for local calling purposes.
 

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Not particularly charitable?

3. America Movil was the lifeline for 34,574 employees in 2005; that's before the additional 17,000 employees from the acquisitions in Santo Domingo, Puerto Rico, and Venezuela earlier this year. Wow, giving a potential 51,574 people in various countries a career opportunity, some pride in themselves, and a chance to be productive is quite something for such a greedy man. :cheeky:

-NALs
GREAT!!!

So he provided many jobs and earns BILLIONS of dollars doing it. Do you really believe he did it for the people? NO! He did it to be greedy and earn more money. He over charges the hell out of the Mexican people and we should thank him?

Wake up Nals.

With his attitude, do you think he would give to charity if not to gain something? Social pressure is probably the reason for his great charity contributions and/or naming things after his wife.

He makes Billions, shareholders make money, employees have jobs, ALL at the expense of the Mexicna population in general. And now he owns (Company owns) the major Dominican telephone company.

He is a VERY greedy man...................
 

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Ok folks, Slim is a greedy monopolist and Gates is the best example of a humanist.

Even though its true that "Forbes Magazine reported that, with a US$30 billion fortune, Slim is the world?s third richest man, up from fourth in 2004. Only software magnate Bill Gates and businessman Warren Buffet are still ahead of him."

Why was Microsoft in hotwater with the US government in the late '90s and early '00s? I think it had something to do with mono-, no it can't be, Gates is a saint who got his wealth by doing whats right and good for his country and people. Slim is the evil Mexican monopolist, not Gates, silly me from even bringing the issue the monopolist Microsoft to light.:cheeky:

Then again, "during the 1980s Slim became a turnaround specialist. He bought distressed companies at bargain prices, made them efficient, and watched their prices skyrocket." Wow, what a greedy man! :cheeky:

But, "Slim didn?t do what the winners of the privatized banks did ? run them into the ground, in some cases stealing customer deposits, and in all cases leaving the taxpayer holding the bag.

Instead Slim masterminded the biggest turnaround of all. He transformed Telmex into a well-run operation that improved telephone service by an order of magnitude."
Hmm, maybe he's not greedy afterall. :cheeky:

But, "the [Mexican] government neglected Telmex after its nationalization in 1972, so Slim invested heavily on upgrading equipment. That?s where he learned about high returns from infrastructure investment. Later he fiercely guarded his dominant market position." Hmm, is that because of greed? He could've simply shut Telmex out of business and destroy the thousands of jobs like his other less wealthy buddies did. Hmm, confusing.... greedy or not greedy? :cheeky:

"Slim has engineered turnarounds in retailing, mining, and other sectors, and has made some astute stock market moves." So he created more wealth for many people and job opportunities beyond the telecommunications sector! Wow, for a 'greedy' man that's quite something! :cheeky:

"As his businesses grow, Slim is turning more attention to serving the community, mainly through two charitable foundations ? the Grupo Carso Foundation, started in the 1980s, and the Telmex Foundation, established in 1996." Why would a greedy man turn more attention to serving the community? :cheeky:

"Slim says great wealth brings with it great responsibility. However, like all of us, he has contradictions." Interesting considering that its very similar to what Gates said and look, Slim is a normal human being with contradictions too! OMG! :cheeky:

"To make his fortune he used his monopoly position to ensure that his customers financed the expansion of Telmex." Geez, he even copied Gates on wealth creation with a monopoly, except that Gates monopoly is global and Slim is less so. Wow, Slim is such a 'greedy' guy. :cheeky:
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Considering that Slim's foundations are not supported by the two wealthiest man on earth who contribute to the Gates Foundation, it should be no surprise that the Gates Foundation will have greater endowments than the Slim foundations.

But, Slim made his money in similar was Gates made his money, with one of the few difference being that one is a Spanish speaking Mexican and the other is an English speaking American.

But, I'm sure that has nothing to do with the Slim bashing and Gates glorification around here. It has to do with Slims monopolistic ways, oh wait, Gates was and to a certain extent continues to act like a monopolist as well, bummer there goes that theory.

Maybe its because Slim's foundation is smaller than Gates, oh wait, Gates foundation is supported by two of the wealthiest humans alive, plus its a little older than Slims foundation which is a one man venture, so to speak. Hmm, there goes that theory too.

Oh I get it, it has to do with the high prices Slims companies charges and lack of diversified product, no wait, Gate's Microsoft company is the preferred computer software and running programs on earth not because people prefer Microsoft over all others, but rather because Microsoft was a monopoly for a couple of decades and.... oh well, there goes that argument as well.

Hmm... maybe its the extension of the British vs. Spanish rivalry from colonial times which continues to be manifested today by the demonization of the Spanish conquistador, their decendants, and the ruling elites of Spanish America while those of Anglo America are seen as more benevolent? Hmm, but wait, didn't the British gave Native Americans blankets as 'gifts' without telling them that the blankets were intentionally tainted with Smallpox viruses in order to create a virtual genocide of Native Americans..... ah, what the heck, I'm sure it has nothing to do with Slim being from Spanish America and Gates being from Anglo America. :cheeky:

It's just that Slim is evil and Gates is not. (If there was a puking smiley, now is the time I would use it).

The Different Faces of Carlos Slim of Mexico

Gates Foundation Fact Sheet

-NALs