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    Default ???humiliate the gringo ???

    I read on another thread the following quote!
    The quote from this writer is as follows;

    "but is it worth it to have to have guards, guard dogs, barbed wire, guns, or whatever in order to feel secure? I realize that the chances are slim that you will be robbed but don't these stories scare you to death? Not long ago I commented that some of the crimes against gringos where they were killed went beyond just wanting valuables: they wanted to humiliate and violently murder the gringo. "

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    The intention behind my question is to discover if the facts exist that, as per your subjective experience with the DR people, that a ground-swell of hatred (that manifests occasionally with murder/violent crime) exists and is on the rise.

    My intention has nothing to do with wanting to start a hate-fest against the DR people, as i truly recognise that not everyone is a murderer / racist etc!


    My questions are addressed to the following people on this forum

    • those that actually live in the DR!
    • those that have had actual real-life face to face conversations on a daily / weekly basis with Dominican people about these types of issues i.e 'crime against the gringo/ humiliation of the gringo' . My questions are also addressed to those that would consider themselves to be feeling the 'pulse' of the average Dominican's thoughts, feelings etc with respect to the above



    Humiliation of the gringo!
    • Whats the deal on this???
    • Is there growing resentment against the foreign person?
    • What segment of society is feeling this resentment?
    • What is causing it?
    • Does any resentment against the foreign person even exist??
    • If resentment does exist, is it simply a loosely formed sense of nationalism which might state the following??;' the DR is for DR people... which includes it's lands and its women' (Clearly foreign people are buying up the land and marrying the women)


    Id hope this post can enlighten me without it turning into a $hite fight!

    Take care
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    Good question. Looking forward to the posters comments. Keep it clean!

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    I do not feel there is a large resentment against gringos ny native Dominicans..
    I beleive the recent murders are horrible isolated incidents...

    It believe comes down to statistics...

    In a country that has the level of poverty, poor education, high alcoho & drugs use and a lack of opportunity, there will be
    some instances where cowardly acts and crimes against all
    people including gringos and expats.

    As the poverty and drug useage increases, people become more desperate, the crime goes up and horrible offenses are commited more frequently.

    Bottom line is there is definately a correlation with poverty and criminal behavior, in all parts of the world including the DR but very little resentment per se against gringos..
    Last edited by Chris; 05-08-2007 at 09:04 AM.

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    As mentioned above, poverty and drug usage play a big role in rises in crime.
    One of the major contributing factors to racism and/or resentment towards gringos, was Hippo.
    His speeches against gringos, reached a lot of ears.
    Just like Hitler, he managed to convert a bunch of otherwise neutral people, into racists.
    The single biggest factor in the rise of racism/resentment is "quantity".
    The more that gringos come here, the more the problem will increase.
    It's as simple as this.
    One Chinaman moves here and he's a novelty.
    One wealthy Chinese family moves here, and some of his immediate neighbours might learn to resent them.
    100 families come, and as their contact with locals by interaction increases, so does racism/resentment.
    Of course, the "quantity" factor also applies to locals who like gringos.
    The "quantity" factor is not a Dominican thing, it's a human thing.

    IMHO, Dominicans are more gringo friendly than most other nationalities I have met in my lifetime.

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    In the 21 years that I have lived here, I have not sensed any hostility toward me because I am a foreigner.

    I have been on most of the islands of the Eastern Caribbean and had strong feelings on many of them that the "natives" had issues about foreigners.

    I don't think crime is a reflection of hostility towards foreigners. Dominicans are victims of crime more than foreigners are. If you have something that somebody else wants, makes no difference if you are foreigner or Dominican if the other person wants it enough to resort to criminal behavior to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    ... IMHO, Dominicans are more gringo friendly than most other nationalities I have met in my lifetime.

    Marco, that's no humble opinion, it's an absolute fact! Actually, it is an advantage being a gringo in the DR, in terms of avoiding crime and abuse. The OPs interest and worry is valid in many countries, except the DR. It may be valid in, for example, Venezuela, a country with 20 times the territorial extension of the DR, and with breathtaking natural attractions not seen anywhere in the world. However, Venezuela receives little over quarter million foreign tourist visitors a year (compared to about 3 million for the DR). Why?, probably because Venezuelans tend to be a culturally unfriendly people, not just toward gringos. I speculate it could be their Caribe genes, reflecting in their violent character, making Venezuela one of the most dangerous and violent countries in the world, much more violent than neighboring Colombia, notwithstanding its civil war, mass executions, etc...

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    Default long term not to worry

    Rocky has it right, it's a case of quantity. You might say, "Familiarity breeds contempt." And politicians like Mejía, and now Chávez, certainly do exacerbate the situation.

    In ten years living around Europe I found predisposition to like Americans fairly common among eastern Euros and more lacking among west Euro metropolitan "elites", pretty much the same when I left as when I came. The family blood lines between the U.S. and the D.R., however, gives a mixed response among the Dominican "elites".

    Another effect to consider, which I offer truly without conceit, is plain old childish jealousy -- spawned by the NY-Hollywood media axis that has for 80 years presented a fictional U.S. that adolescents envy and educated adults abhor.

    Also, during 24 years living in the DR, I have perceived a rising resentment of gringos among the less successful of the burgeoning middle class -- jealousy if you will. That could simply be the cost of rapid develpment.

    A small but discernable element exists in returnees from U.S. inner cities who have been propagandized by the metro politics there which venally foment group dissensions. As a group these returnees are growing, but so are the successful, moneyed returnees who are grateful to the the U.S. system for the opportunities they found there.

    Don't buy that arument that so-called "poor and desperate people" resent gringos. That's limousine liberal guilt talking. First, because the Dominican "poor and Despearate" are fast disappearing due to economic development (check out the school yards with no room left to park vehicles). Second, because the really poor everywhere see affluent foreigners as opportunities, not threats, as they often perceive their local rich guys. Really, really poor, hungry and desperate people haven't the will to hate. The Bolsheviks were after all, like Ché, spoiled, flush kids, and their "useful idots", as Marx said, were elites and middle class, not the suppine poor.

    With Chávez defoliating his money trees to carpet L.A. with old fashion Latino caudillismo, I believe we are in general headed to a 1950's style downturn how Latins perceive gringos, American (U.S.) citizens in particular. So sew some velcro onto your pockets, but long term not to worry.

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    OK, lets leave Chavez in Venezuela Lets stay with our feet on the ground right here in the DR.

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    I have seen in both Santo Domingo and Puerto Plata...in very prominenent places, grafitti that says:

    Yanqui al Fuerra!!!
    No mas Norteamericanos!!!

    Now, Im not saying every Dominican feels this way, but these are not isolated incidents, I've never "looked" for this, but have seen some version of this 5 or 6 times...and Im not in SD or POP very often...to be honest, as a Norteamericano, it doesnt make me feel too warm and fuzzy...
    Last edited by Chris; 05-08-2007 at 10:24 AM. Reason: lay off chavez

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    I've seen anti-"Yanqui" grafitti on walls in Santiago...

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