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    Unhappy Dominicans.... and the MLB Draft..(Are they for real)

    ESPN announced that the MLB draft will now be televised from disney wide world of sports in Orlando FL, sometime in the fall/winter this year, this got me thinking!! the NFL and the NBA draft are so popular because players come from major Universities, and we were able to follow there college careers...but how will this benefit a Dominican prospect, who is told to leave school, to enter a baseball academy for peanuts and has a middle school education, on top of that.... then presented on national American television addressing an American public....of all the pro players only a few handful of players are worthy of an interview to address a nation wide American audience (this will be very interesting)

    First... will this draft hurt or help Dominican and players, because I am getting this gut feeling that this draft will only be to showcase players coming out of major Universities, these drafts will really show what those baseball schools are all about in D.R...I've been saying for years in this forum of how Dominican young boys are being manipulated and used as day laborers for the minor league system to stay afloat, only being used as a front for the good ole boy network to take over slowly but surely.

    what do you baseball fans feel about this draft for Dominicans? will we be on national television, will they be presenting sad stories of rags to riches on so many poor Dominican players?, or is this just for the the good ole boy network and University prospects only?

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    only top draft choices get seen or speak on TV so i don't think you have to worry about that with the Dominican players unless they are at a major school. but this in my opinion doesn't reflect any thing bad on them because WE ALL know that dominican baseball players are in high demand but only get the props once they make it in MLB or NBA. then of course the rags to riches stories come out on ESPN.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by daddy1 View Post
    ESPN announced that the MLB draft will now be televised from disney wide world of sports in Orlando FL, sometime in the fall/winter this year, this got me thinking!! the NFL and the NBA draft are so popular because players come from major Universities, and we were able to follow there college careers...but how will this benefit a Dominican prospect, who is told to leave school, to enter a baseball academy for peanuts and has a middle school education, on top of that.... then presented on national American television addressing an American public....of all the pro players only a few handful of players are worthy of an interview to address a nation wide American audience (this will be very interesting)

    First... will this draft hurt or help Dominican and players, because I am getting this gut feeling that this draft will only be to showcase players coming out of major Universities, these drafts will really show what those baseball schools are all about in D.R...I've been saying for years in this forum of how Dominican young boys are being manipulated and used as day laborers for the minor league system to stay afloat, only being used as a front for the good ole boy network to take over slowly but surely.

    what do you baseball fans feel about this draft for Dominicans? will we be on national television, will they be presenting sad stories of rags to riches on so many poor Dominican players?, or is this just for the the good ole boy network and University prospects only?
    You are saying that there is a conspiracy by the gringos to have the Dominicans work in the farm system for peanuts and then call up only the gringos right?

    No offense but owners and manager don't care about the nationality of the players anymore - this is big business - they want to win games period.

    It is just counter intuitive to say that an increase in the amount of Dominican players in the farm system will eventually amount to a net DECREASE in the majors. Let me set it straight for you - there is no conspiracy against Dominicans in the mlb. There are more Dominican players making more money in the majors now more than ever and as long as talented players are available from the DR there will be a market.

    Also, if this is a grand scheme of the gringos to use Domicans to prop up minor league baseball why do they have so many teams that have million dollar complexes here in the DR with more to come?

    I realize from your previous posts that you have been prejudiced against as a coach in Central Fl and there is no excuse for that. However, to extrapolate on that and say there is some grand conspiracy on the order of Louis F. throughout mlb to minimize the number of Dominican players would be to deny reality.

    As far as the draft goes - the mlb isn't going to put this young kids on the spot if they aren't up to it - yes it is about money but these guys have a heart too.

    Also, If you really want to help Dominican kids in the DR why don't you come back and set up a buscon agency here and charge reasonable rates, not like los maiditos coņos like Polonia that charge 40% pa' na'.

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    Talking First year player draft?

    That draft is in June, not the fall (I don't know of another draft besides "Rule iV" in MLB).

    Dominicans do not fall into the draft, it's for North American players only (I'm presuming that's why it's been redefined the past few years to "First year player draft").

    It's far more complicated than I'm going to get into here, but they can't really be included.

    For one, there's a greater risk with foreign players, most especially the Dominicans and Cubans. I would throw Venezuelans in that group too, but I know less about them; basically any prospect coming from an underdeveloped country where there is a very small sample size of history to go by, faulty or non-existant documentaton, etc.

    In addition, not being citzens (US) increases the risk to MLB teams.

    I don't agree with your slave labor proclamations of the MLB Minor systems. Are they making them cut the grass, paint the foul lines and sell hot dogs?

    Get your slave labors off the streets wiping windshields and to attend school and graduate, go to a school in NA and they'll get drafted. Then they'll go to the minor leagues just like the rest of them.

    It seems to me, being "manipulated" to play minor league ball in a country that has electricity might be a step above cracking and selling coconuts on the Malecon.

    But that's just me, I don't like coconuts.

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    Not sure what your point really is.

    The NBA draft includes kids from all over the world, as long as they meet the age limit and have the proper skills to succeed. Been doing that for years.

    The NFL draft would do the same IF American "football" was more popular outside of the USA. Believe me, they're trying everything. NFL Europe is designed to do that.

    I would NOT place the blame on the quality of education in the DR on MLB. That's ridiculous. Blame the people who continually vote in corrupt official after corrupt official to the point where school is a joke for the average person, and an even bigger joke if you're flat poor. At least, from what I witnessed when I was there.

    If it's such a concern, step up your pressure on the DR government. Then maybe such short-sighted decisions wouldn't be so common among DR players.

    Dominicans, Venezuelans, and players of other nationalities will be fine. Many MLB players come from very humble backgrounds and turn out fine. Dominicans don't have the trademark on being poor. MLB will not leave out any talent pool with ripe talent. They're keep capitalizing on it. Check out the "now-legal status" Cubans pitching in MLB. LOL!!!

    The MLB draft is being televised now to make it more popular. You can thank ESPN for that. MLB just doesn't want to get left behind in popularity, which is the case in the USA. People REALLY get into the NFL and NBA drafts. It's easy to market. 20+ years later, MLB finally gets it.

    For the record, contrary to your ideas, didn't MLB just sponsor the World Baseball Classic? How in the world would that be a front for "good ole boy" thinking? Just the opposite.

    Quote Originally Posted by daddy1 View Post
    ESPN announced that the MLB draft will now be
    televised from disney wide world of sports in Orlando FL, sometime in the fall/winter this year, this got me thinking!! the NFL and the NBA draft are so popular because players come from major Universities, and we were able to follow there college careers...but how will this benefit a Dominican prospect, who is told to leave school, to enter a baseball academy for peanuts and has a middle school education, on top of that.... then presented on national American television addressing an American public....of all the pro players only a few handful of players are worthy of an interview to address a nation wide American audience (this will be very interesting)

    First... will this draft hurt or help Dominican and players, because I am getting this gut feeling that this draft will only be to showcase players coming out of major Universities, these drafts will really show what those baseball schools are all about in D.R...I've been saying for years in this forum of how Dominican young boys are being manipulated and used as day laborers for the minor league system to stay afloat, only being used as a front for the good ole boy network to take over slowly but surely.

    what do you baseball fans feel about this draft for Dominicans? will we be on national television, will they be presenting sad stories of rags to riches on so many poor Dominican players?, or is this just for the the good ole boy network and University prospects only?

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    No offense but owners and manager don't care about the nationality of the players anymore - this is big business - they want to win games period.

    That's where your wrong...I am in this business full time as a high school coach in florida and a scout for a private firm, there is only 8% of afro Americans right now in MLB, there are no academies in the ghetto's, plus have you seen college baseball players lately, or college games...one afro american per squad, barely no Dominicans, playing at the division 1 level...don't get it twisted Dominican players are day laborers for minor league baseball...some will be career minor leaguers....

    Remember this because someone else her had said.....if you are not in AAA you are making peanuts...these Dominicans are sent to towns like erie Pennsylvania and in the heartland of the U.S. playing A ball and AA ball, salaries for starters are $600.00 a week during season, off season players must have a job, to support themselves, A ball players make less then that per week, look past the MLB for a minute and look at those who are in great numbers past and present who have not been in the big show yet, and will never get there!

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    That's where your wrong...I am in this business full time as a high school coach in florida and a scout for a private firm, there is only 8% of afro Americans right now in MLB, there are no academies in the ghetto's, plus have you seen college baseball players lately, or college games...one afro american per squad, barely no Dominicans, playing at the division 1 level...don't get it twisted Dominican players are day laborers for minor league baseball...some will be career minor leaguers....
    Oh, maybe that more an indication of the interest young Afro-American have more baseball more than anything. ..I bet you the same applies to the Chicano areas in the west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aegap View Post
    Oh, maybe that more an indication of the interest young Afro-American have more baseball more than anything. ..I bet you the same applies to the Chicano areas in the west.
    Thank you for pointing out the obvious. I understand the OP's contention aboust this "grand conspiracy" based on his feeling that he is been prejudiced against as a Hispanic coach but to take it to the level that he proposed in his original thread would be really to ignore the reality that there are more Dominican players in the major leagues now than ever and if anything there numbers are going to increase. Also, I seriously doubt that one can find one major league team w/o a Dominican.

    Futhermore, major league clubs don't build multi-million dollar complexes in the DR just to prop up sally leagues - give me a break.

    As far as the pay the sally leaguers are making my nephew is working 12 hours or more a day in NY for $500 and soon he will be an illegal but that won't deter him. I think as long as the Dominican government keeps robbing it's people they will be literally dying to get off this island - and this is not in any way shape or form mlb's fault.

    Finally, yes the US still has many of prejudiced people and policies propagated by the government, but baseball is business and all the owners want are titles, sold out stadiums and people the world over buying their merchandise.

    Note to Daddy1 - I'm sorry you have been prejudiced against in the Florida area but mlb has not "secret" plan to keep white American boys as the predominant players. There is no doubt that you can find many people that will agree with you on this matter that there is a secret plan to keep out latinos and blacks but that doesn't mean it is based in reality, just a good example of the still poor race relations in my country that some people just won't let die.

    Fortunately, IMO it has been professional sports, like baseball with Jackie Robinson as an example, that have helped our country out of this archaic and irrational mentality of judging a person by the color of their skin.

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    Lightbulb Can we all work with facts in our debates? Please?

    Quote Originally Posted by daddy1 View Post
    there are no academies in the ghetto's
    Daddy-1, you need to back some of your points with knowledge. There are academies (some full time) in at least 28 cities, all focused on underpriveledged youth (read between the PC lines).

    MLB wants blacks in baseball so much they honor Jackie Robinson every single day - #24 is retired, it hangs in every single ballpark.

    When I see Monroe and Granderson in Detroit make amazing plays in the OF, I can only wish there were more blacks in the game. Pardon if this sounds "racist" (it sure isn't meant to be) but I think blacks in general are better athletes than their white counterparts. Or, perhaps they just make the spectacular plays look easier. If they play well - or even if they don't - I couldn't care less if they're purple with blue polka dots and green stars. And I think I speak for every manager and general manager when I say that.

    Blacks aren't into baseball for a variety of reasons. Just off the top of my head I'd offer the growth of the NBA (no minor leagues there - instant millions). I'm pretty sure the decline of white players in the NBA is very similar to blacks in baseball. I'd say NBA players are far more athletic than MLB players (in general). As John Kruk once said to a woman who called him an athlete "lady, look at me, I'm no athlete, I'm a baseball player".

    When I was growing up it was pretty much the only game on TV worth watching (with 5 channels there wasn't any need for a remote). Now you have everything from ultimate fighting to fishing shows. Now that I recall those times, of the 5 channels I had Sox, MFY's and Mets on 3 of them, and I want to say we'd get occasional Cubs games as well.

    I'm sure we're all old enough to realize the attention span of kids is at a negative number. Baseball is excruciatingly boring to watch unless you grew up on it, or had some seminal moment with the sport. If I was a teenager now I wouldn't watch any sports on TV (the commercialism is putrid and relentless) I'd be riding my skateboard and snowboard and would NEVER sit in front of the TV (until I discovered Homer Simpson and beer).

    Daddy-1, for someone that works in MLB and coaches ball, you seem to know very little about what you speak of.

    edit to add: great post chip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daddy1 View Post
    No offense but owners and manager don't care about the nationality of the players anymore - this is big business - they want to win games period.

    That's where your wrong...I am in this business full time as a high school coach in florida and a scout for a private firm, there is only 8% of afro Americans right now in MLB, there are no academies in the ghetto's, plus have you seen college baseball players lately, or college games...one afro american per squad, barely no Dominicans, playing at the division 1 level...don't get it twisted Dominican players are day laborers for minor league baseball...some will be career minor leaguers....

    Remember this because someone else her had said.....if you are not in AAA you are making peanuts...these Dominicans are sent to towns like erie Pennsylvania and in the heartland of the U.S. playing A ball and AA ball, salaries for starters are $600.00 a week during season, off season players must have a job, to support themselves, A ball players make less then that per week, look past the MLB for a minute and look at those who are in great numbers past and present who have not been in the big show yet, and will never get there!

    I think you have some truth about that. UT baseball team division 1 have 38 baseball player and none of them are black, and this is in Texas!!!. A coach in another university said he will recuit Dominican and Puerto Rican player for his division 1 team .I think they do no want (Colleges or else) that dominican players push out from the spotlight their well-groom HS recuits because those kids have been in state championships, training courses, in the local news, and US parents have spend so much time and money into their development( that do not mean that they are better players).

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