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some kids had a fight over a girl, the bouncers threw them out and the kids settled it by killing each other in a gun fight, 3 dead.
 

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some kids had a fight over a girl, the bouncers threw them out and the kids settled it by killing each other in a gun fight, 3 dead.

But yet another version says that some guys had a table reserved and found it occupied, then a fist fight... then outside to get guns, then... bang!
 

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some kids had a fight over a girl, the bouncers threw them out and the kids settled it by killing each other in a gun fight, 3 dead.

They were no kids, actually grown men (30+) high on crack or cocaine, and from highly respectable families, as it goes in the DR. I understand one of the deceased used to be an assistant DA, another ran the family business. There are several versions about what brought about the shooting. Others were involved. Witnesses are not talking.The police has arrested two women, and the owner and manager of the popular SD nightspot. Still under investigation...
 

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The father of one of the victims (Yasser Alberto Nader). Mr. Nemem Nader, a wealthy businessman and high ranking PRD member, says that his son was murdered in cold blood by police private Fray Pablo Villam?n Toribio, who waited outside the popular nightspot and fired three hollow-point bullets into his son with a high-powered pistol, and also killed his companion, Ignalio Antonio Ma??n Tapia, in order to cover up the killing of former SD Assistant DA, Fidel Ernesto Est?vez Hern?ndez, who was the intended target, and that the killings of his son and companion were committed to cover up the contract killing against the former Assistant DA, making the incident appear the product of a drunken brawl.

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I got caught in the middle of a shoot out in a carwash outside of Mao on a Sunday afternoon,I was talking to the bartender who just happenrd to be beautifull,When about 3' from me the shots starting going off,I was half in the bag but I sobered up real quick,by the time I said to myself jump behind the bar they had allready dropped the steel curtains,you will never know how fast you can travel on your hands and knees until somethinglike that happens.
 

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The father of one of the victims (Yasser Alberto Nader). Mr. Nemem Nader, a wealthy businessman and high ranking PRD member, says that his son was murdered in cold blood by police private .....


OfCourse !

Have to protect the family name and give reason for retailiation....
Typical Dominican response, he was innocent, as usual.
 

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I'm more inclined to believe Mr Nemem Nader's version, rather than the polices. Not because of the Police Chief's quick conclusions being suspect, but I know Mr. Nader personally, and I'm well aware of the modus operandi used in these calculated killings. There is intense chatter that Mr. Est?vez Hern?ndez', the former Assistant DA, death sentence was a foregone decision, since he started talking about his involvement in a car theft ring and drug trafficking involving military officers. I'm convinced Mr Nader's son was in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and with the wrong people....
 

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From what I hear of Nemem Nader, he is not one to Pi$$ off with sarcastic remarks either! My, hasn't this thread changed a bit since the "some kids had a fight over a girl...." comment above. Shows the prudence of holding one's tongue until the FACTS start to emerge. The original police statement is rarely the one that proves to be the real truth in the end - same goes with "eyewitness" statements! ~ Grahame.
 

Criss Colon

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The Day I Believe The "WOEDS" Of a Dominican Politico",

Is the day you can sell be the 17th street bridge!

There are 3 types of people in the DR, "Liars,Liars,and Damn Liars"!!!!!!
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I go with "Roberts" version!


ps,make that "WORDS" of a politico!
 

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Diario Libre reports that the trouble started inside. Both had "chips' on their shoulders and took it outside where things escalated. The policeman was a "bodyguard" for Ma??n. Ma??n has something resembling a machine-pistol that fired .223 (M-16) rounds!! Nader had one of those HS high powered automatics.
Apparently there are surveillance films of the whole thing.

In a related report, the paper talks about the weapons recovered. 18 casings from a 5.7 mm weapon, 3 from a 9 mm. a Magnum revolver with 5 shells and a Gestar Bergion pistol 5.7 x 28 among others. Ma??n was hit once, the other two had nine wounds.

HB
 

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Is the day you can sell be the 17th street bridge!

There are 3 types of people in the DR, "Liars,Liars,and Damn Liars"!!!!!!
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I go with "Roberts" version!


ps,make that "WORDS" of a politico!

CC, you happen to forget that the person who came up with this preposterous scenario immediately, while the corpses were still warm, is a political appointee (which is the same as a pol?tico in my book), General Bernardine Santana Paez.
 

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A drunken brawl by kids fighting over a bar table and a girl....

Have you all noticed how quickly this incident has dissapeared from the mainstream media? How fast the authorities have solved the case?, that the only person jailed is the officially assigned police escort (PN private) to one of the victims?, who insists that he only shot once, and his weapon was switched?, and that the person he was assigned to protect received a single fatal bullet wound to the heart?, while the other two victims had at least eight bullet wounds each, plus, according to the coroner's report, multiple "lacerations, abrasions and contusions"?. The police found four weapons at the scene, including 18 spent casings for 5.7 caliber bullets made by FN Herstal of Belgium see the following link ammunition that can only be used by FiveSeven pistols and P90 submachineguns?, which I doubt are even assigned to DR armed forces personnel?....

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Hillbilly

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Interesting. I tried to find something on "Gestar Burgion" but could not find anything.

18 casings....somebody was firing close to full-auto. And one in the heart?

This is a case for CSI-NYC!!

HB
 

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Very expensive unique weapons

Have you all noticed how quickly this incident has dissapeared from the mainstream media? How fast the authorities have solved the case?, that the only person jailed is the officially assigned police escort (PN private) to one of the victims?, who insists that he only shot once, and his weapon was switched?, and that the person he was assigned to protect received a single fatal bullet wound to the heart?, while the other two victims had at least eight bullet wounds each, plus, according to the coroner's report, multiple "lacerations, abrasions and contusions"?. The police found four weapons at the scene, including 18 spent casings for 5.7 caliber bullets made by FN Herstal of Belgium see the following link ammunition that can only be used by FiveSeven pistols and P90 submachineguns?, which I doubt are even assigned to DR armed forces personnel?....

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Much more information should be known about this bullet than what you found on your Google search. This is the cartridge of choice for drug dealers, murders etc., anyone who wants to defeat the body armor of Police Officers

There are over 10 manufacturers that use the 5.7 "Cop Killer" round today. This cartridge was developed by FN in the 90's for one purpose: to defeat personal body armor which it odes exceedingly well

The bullet is basically a necked down 5.56 NATO or M-16 Round

It also was designed with an unbalanced bullet that would actually "tumble" upon entry into the body creating a huge entry cavity

These cartridges are banned by NATO signatories as being inhumane and having no purpose but to create as much pain and suffering as possible
 

Hillbilly

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Now the question would be just who is this Ma??n person and how did he happen to have such a weapon>??? And why did he have an escort.???

Why did he get to shoot at least 18 times and get shot just once, and a perfect heart shot at that????

Oh my for a real forensics department...

(Last night at 3:00 a.m. we heard a bunch of shots and then nothing. This morning I pick up two casings and a friend found five more. All fired from the same 9 mm. pistol. No forensics to get fingerprints, so what's the point? Yeah, and I live in a real quite part of town.....)
 

Criss Colon

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Dominican "Conspiracy Theorists"!!!!!!!!

Just another case of Too much "Testosterone",followed by Too much Booze!
This is just "TYPICAL" Macho Dominicano behavior! No More, No Less!
It just happens to involve some "Well Known" families because it happened in the "Naco Section" of town!
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