Searching for a good OB - prefer natural birth options

mbh77

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Greetings - My husband and I are relocating to Santo Domingo this week and we're eager to find a good OB/GYN for having a baby (I'm just finishing 1st trimester).
I have read some of the earlier threads on this forum about pregnancy in the DR and the prevalence of caesareans.
We're hoping to find a good OB who understands our desire to try for a natural (unmedicated) birth, if possible.
Any suggestions of good docs there in Santo Domingo?
Recommendations/advice = very welcome!
Gracias!
 

Bob K

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Hillbilly hopefully will answer though he is in Santiago he knows alot about medical care in the DR. I do know a great OB on the notrh coast, but unfortunatly he has retired;);););););)

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There is a woman here in Santiago that specializes in natural births. I will try and find out if she knows someone in Sto Dgo...
Drop me a PM so we can stay in touch....

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mbh77

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Thanks -

Thanks for the replies -
HB - I'm not quite sure how to send a PM yet - wil try to figure that out pronto.
Would the doctora you're thinking of be Dra. Jenny Garcia?
Just curious... I have heard several recommend her...
thx!
 

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Dra. Jenny Garcia is awesome. My ex husband is an OBGYN based in La Vega, and he is the one who recommended her to me. Good luck and congratulations!
 

lindalee033

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hi there.. could someone tell me how to contact Dr. Jenny Garcia? i am living in santiago and would prefer as close to natural childbirth as possible... thx, linda
 

lindalee033

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sorry... i just re-read the previous posts.. jumped the gun.. i see that dr. garcia is based in S.D.... too far from santiago, where i live.. i need a good ob/gyn, preferrably female with some english, who does not rely on c-sections... more on the natural childbirth side... thx, linda
 

lindalee033

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i am so disappointed that no one has responded as of yet.. i am still in the same... hoping to find a good ob/gyn in santiago who does not rely on c-sec.. i'm 40 working on my 2nd child and can be considered high-risk.. can anyone help??
 

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Being Treated as a "High Risk Butterball Turkey" in the DR

Well, I'm sorry to say that I've been very disappointed by all the docs who SAY they are pro-natural childbirth and pro-breastfeeding here (and many in the US). The "failed induction" rate leading to c-sections is astronomical. Women over 35 are treated as ancient.

The thing is that most OBs will tell you a long story about how they support no drugs and no intervention yet as you approach 40 weeks (normal full term pregnancies range from 37-42, even 43 weeks) they act like you are a Butterball turkey with the little thermometer thingy about to POP out. I'm serious! It is very unfortunate but the DR OB scene is at least 30 years behind the US (and further behind say France, Scandinavia--oh heck, all of Europe) in trusting the birth process.

What happens is called the "cascade of intervention." They start by: "stripping your membranes;" installing an IV (which dilutes your natural hormones and tethers you to a pole); breaking your amniotic sac (starting an imaginary 24 hour clock for preventing infection because your natural barrier to infection is then gone and everyone is sticking their hands up inside to "check your progress") and, inducing you (through Pitocin or sometimes they'll start with prostaglandin gel). And THAT will usually freak out your uterus (and sometimes the baby), which requires more pain management aka--screaming for an Epidural. Of course then you'll need an external fetal heart monitor (or an internal one which gets screwed into the baby's scalp.) The epidural results in you being put flat on your back and that compresses the vena cava which causes fetal distress. I've authored papers on this if you want to PM me I'll give you the links--I wouldn't want to be accused of practicing medicine on DR1!

If all that isn't enough, you don't get any decent pain relief (just an anti-inflammatory) even once you wind up with a c-section. Moreover, they'll shove a bottle of formula in your baby's mouth. ALL things we've worked so hard to change in other places.

Good luck and DO take a good look at the maternal mortality statistics for this country (159/100,000---ridiculously high with 45% being from nosocomal infections--infections caught in the clinic or hospital).

I recommend checking out some Bradley childbirth websites and La Leche League (they are active in SD and Santiago and I can put you in touch with the leader).
Paz y salud,
DrChrisHE
 
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Chris

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Come now! All of those prolific posters from Santiago and not one recommendation for an ob/gyn that practices natural childbirth as a choice? AZB, you must know some young doctors? ;) Chip, you or rather the wife must know of someone.

You guys from Santiago are letting the side down! We need a recommendation here! There's a baby wanting to be born fer heavens sakes! Get to it already! LOL :bunny::p

Lindalee, is it a possibility for you to spend some time in Santo Domingo for the prenatal care and the birth. I know there are natural childbirth specialists in Santo Domingo.

Another poster send me the name of Colectiva de Mujeres del Cibao (feminist group) in relation to another subject. But I thought you may contact them and they might just know of someone.

DrChrisHE, I'm sure it is as you say in the DR, but I know with certainty that there are 'little pools of sanity' in the DR where it is not as you say. The poster is asking for assistance to find one of those little pools of sanity where they do the right things. They do exist in Santo Domingo I know. Not so sure about Santiago. Lets put our energy into finding the right birthing center with the correct assistance for the poster and a little less energy in 'how bad it is'. If it was me looking for birthing support, I would be scared silly after your post. :nervous:
 
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Chirimoya

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I would still call Dra. Jenny Garc?a and ask her about like-minded colleagues in Santiago and environs.

Dra. Jenny Garcia
Centro de Salud de la Mujer Atabey
Calle Socorro S?nchez
Gazcue, Santo Domingo
Tel. 809-412-8212
 

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Please DO let us know how it goes for you. I hope you avoid the scenario I laid out above but I've unfortunately witnessed it too many times while living here and heard from many other health professionals that it seems to be the norm. My intent was not to scare you but illuminate the realities--both from witnessing this in the centers/offices and from the statistics. I believe it is important to be as informed of both sides (all sides) as possible even if it is unpalatable to some.

Take the time to find the provider and the setting that is right for you. Birth (and each pregnancy) is a very personal and monumental event in people's lives. If you have an idea of what types of conditions you are seeking, it would be an excellent idea to write down your ideas before interviewing doctors. Many natural birth advocates recommend that you use a written "birth plan" that is discussed with your birth attendant and signed. A copy is then put into your chart at whichever facility you choose to have your baby.

If you are on the South side of the island (I'm in Juan Dolio) I have many English (and some in Spanish) books that I loan out to interested parties.
Paz y salud,
DrChrisHE
 

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I do know a great OB on the notrh coast, but unfortunatly he has retired;);););););) Bob K

And if you wanted someone for a friendly chat, lindalee, I'd recommend PMing the retired Bob K. Many years of experience when he was practising (as an OB) & as someone who qualified years ago & has both feet firmly on the ground (no pun intended :) ) I'm sure he'd be supportive & not scary, if you needed someone to talk to. He is a 'pool of sanity' - nice term, Chris. :laugh:
 

Bob K

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Well, I'm sorry to say that I've been very disappointed by all the docs who SAY they are pro-natural childbirth and pro-breastfeeding here (and many in the US). The "failed induction" rate leading to c-sections is astronomical. Women over 35 are treated as ancient.

The thing is that most OBs will tell you a long story about how they support no drugs and no intervention yet as you approach 40 weeks (normal full term pregnancies range from 37-42, even 43 weeks) they act like you are a Butterball turkey with the little thermometer thingy about to POP out. I'm serious! It is very unfortunate but the DR OB scene is at least 30 years behind the US (and further behind say France, Scandinavia--oh heck, all of Europe) in trusting the birth process.

What happens is called the "cascade of intervention." They start by: "stripping your membranes;" installing an IV (which dilutes your natural hormones and tethers you to a pole); breaking your amniotic sac (starting an imaginary 24 hour clock for preventing infection because your natural barrier to infection is then gone and everyone is sticking their hands up inside to "check your progress") and, inducing you (through Pitocin or sometimes they'll start with prostaglandin gel). And THAT will usually freak out your uterus (and sometimes the baby), which requires more pain management aka--screaming for an Epidural. Of course then you'll need an external fetal heart monitor (or an internal one which gets screwed into the baby's scalp.) The epidural results in you being put flat on your back and that compresses the vena cava which causes fetal distress. I've authored papers on this if you want to PM me I'll give you the links--I wouldn't want to be accused of practicing medicine on DR1!

If all that isn't enough, you don't get any decent pain relief (just an anti-inflammatory) even once you wind up with a c-section. Moreover, they'll shove a bottle of formula in your baby's mouth. ALL things we've worked so hard to change in other places.

Good luck and DO take a good look at the maternal mortality statistics for this country (159/100,000---ridiculously high with 45% being from nosocomal infections--infections caught in the clinic or hospital).

I recommend checking out some Bradley childbirth websites and La Leche League (they are active in SD and Santiago and I can put you in touch with the leader).
Paz y salud,
DrChrisHE

DR ChrisHe,

I am not sure if you are a phyysician or not so i will give you the benifit of the doubt. But your post above is a load of crap, at least in the neck of the woods where I practiced for 20+ years and held a teaching position at a major US medical school. Maybe that is your experience but not mine.

Lambada, thanks for the kind words and yes I would be happy to talk with the original poster is she wanted to PM me. BTW they have broken ground on the new hospital (Private- Spatali's venture) in Sosua and when done I may go back to some teaching.

Bob K
 

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Bob K: No disrespect intended toward you, but the NATIONAL DR maternal mortality stats are 159/100,000 (declared a disgrace by even the DR officials) with 45% of the deaths coming from nosocomal infections. You may be in a particularly positive environment which means that OTHER locales are particularly negative in order to have the rates come out that high.

According to WHO:
"The US death rate for women giving birth plummeted in the 20th century.
At the beginning of the century, maternal death rates were around their historical level of nearly 1 in 100 for live births. The number today in the United States is 1 in 10,000, a decline by a factor of 100. <sic: note that would make the rate 10/100,000)> The decline in maternal deaths has been due largely to improved asepsis, use of caesarean section, fluid management and blood transfusion, and better prenatal care." Lowest rates included Iceland at 10 per 100,000 and Austria at 4 per 100,000. In the United States, the maternal death rate was 17 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2000. "Lifetime risk of maternal death" accounts for number of pregnancies and risk. In sub-Saharan Africa the lifetime risk of maternal death is 1 in 16, for developed nations only 1 in 2,800. Sure the DR is better than many African countries, but if you were giving birth would THAT comfort you?

The OP should not only speak to doctors (who in many people's experience and their own statistics--and I AM a specialist in these and continue to collect public health statistics) the care lags decades behind developed nations with a commensurate increase in risk to both mother and baby. FYI: I sit on the Medical Care Leadership Council of the American Public Health Association, have performed primary research and published in this area.

For a concrete example, although Clinica Abreu is known by health professionals on the S Coast as THE only place to have a baby, MANY of my acquaintances, colleagues and friends have chosen to FLY OUT OF THE DR to have their babies. I'm not sure what I would chose to do if it were me in this situation but I would not take the "don't worry about it honey" response kindly.

The real issue here is that the OP asked for referrals on docs who practice natural childbirth. Whether a doc "walks the walk" or merely "talks the talk" are two different things. Think of it as a doc who SAYS they practice asepsis but doesn't wash his or her hands in between patients, drops instruments on the floor and then uses them or sneezes on their patients. I'm not making this up. Patients MUST interview with a list of questions and request other patients who they may contact (docs should have a list of patients who don't mind having their names released OR the doctor's office will contact those patients and have them call the interested party.)

Bob--you say you taught at a med school (as did I) and I must tell you that US med schools are VERY different than what happens here. Secondly, even in US med schools, there has been an on-going battle of the interventionists vs the non-interventionists. I suspect we are on the opposite ends of what we consider "normal natural childbirth."
Paz y salud,
DrChrisHE
 

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The original poster asked a question. Its simple, let's answer the question. DRChrisHE, any further long lectures that are only marginally on point and mostly about the US will be deleted. If you are at all concerned about people, you will realize that questions like this one in this thread, is not about you, it is all about the poster that asked the question.

Lindalee, looks like Chirimoya's suggestion to call Dra. Jenny Garc?a is the best we have at this moment. Why don't you call her and then report back to us if she can recommend anyone in Santiago?
 
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lindalee033

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thanks chris for your supportive words and giving me a bit more hope.. scared '****' (excuse the word) out of my mind is more like it after reading the posts.. however, i do like to hear from all concrete angles... i live with my feet planted realistically on the ground!! and PLEASE, i most definitely want to swim in one of 'lil pools of sanity' for this event, as the rest of my adjusting here continues to float in the madness... so any leads/advise would be greatly appreciated! though i am planning to travel back to the states around delivery time, i want to have something secured here as an primary choice in case i don't make it to the states....

my husband is dominican citizen/U.S. resident, it appears that EVERYONE in his entire family was born thru c-sec for as far back as can be remembered.. his sis recently gave birth thru c-sec.. and just last week his niece (25y.o.) opted not to do c-sec and the baby died after birth!!!! so much of what DrChrisHE mentions is believeable.... (and yes, DrChrisHe please forward any contacts that may lead me in right direction!)

anyway.. i don't travel much to the capital so any options there would not be feasible... thanks but sorry... possibly the north coast since i frequent the beach as MUCH as possible!!!! please forward any info on the new hospital mentioned (SPATALI'S?)... in the meanwhile i will try the leads given...

guys.. i am 40.. this is our second try at giving our son a sibling... so we are eager, anxious, hopeful and cautious.... not looking for perfection in an OB (nor in delivery).. just a healthy baby and an as positive as possible birthing experience...
thanks all, lindalee
 

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DRChrisHE,
I am sorry but maybe should not have included your whole quote. I have no proplem with your statictics or the horrendous Mother/Child mortality here. It is an abomination for sure, and I would personaly love to do something about it. However in the infinite wisdoms or the powers to be I cannot contribute. Rather it was the "cascade" as you called it. This is certainly not the way I was taught or the way i teach.
In fairness to the OP if you would like to discuss this further (I certainly would not mind) Please PM me. I do not want to hijack her thread.
Bob K
 

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though i am planning to travel back to the states around delivery time, i want to have something secured here as an primary choice in case i don't make it to the states....

Yes they overdo the C sections here, but just to balance some of the scary things which have been posted, think of all the healthy children born here - seems to me there are hordes & hordes of children in the DR. I notice you plan on travelling around delivery time - I think airlines stop accepting pregnant passengers after about 7.5 months so you might want to check well ahead of time so you don't get any nasty surprises. It probably differs with different airlines but I don't think you can count on flying in the last couple of weeks. So please check.

I can understand you being scared witless & I'd strongly advise contacting BobK who lives on the north coast for a friendly chat to dispel some of your fears. He is a nice grandfatherly, understanding type of person and he has nothing left to prove so would focus on your needs for reassurance and not any of his own needs.

DR ChrisHe,
I am not sure if you are a phyysician or not so i will give you the benifit of the doubt.

There was a lot of stuff about this on another thread which has now been deleted because it wasn't on the topic. However before it was deleted I thought I saw a statement that she was not. BobK you'd be better off PMing Chris the moderator because she might recall better than I.

Lambada, thanks for the kind words and yes I would be happy to talk with the original poster is she wanted to PM me. BTW they have broken ground on the new hospital (Private- Spatali's venture) in Sosua and when done I may go back to some teaching. Bob K

Yes I knew about Dr. Spitali's hospital when it was a plan in the works. Good to know they've just started building. Great to know you maybe plan on teaching there! Dr. James Bailes knows Dr. Spitali - you might want to have a chat with Jim, also.

Lindalee, I'm sure we all wish you the very best with this venture. If you're still going through the expat adjustment process, remember all the expats on this board have been through it too & we are generally understanding. The other thing you might want to do is contact the north coast expat mums many of whom have given birth here. That might help reassure you too.
 

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Is home birth an option in the Dominican Republic? It isn't widely recognized here in Canada but it can be done.

If you are not a high risk pregnancy I would say go for a home birth!