New and Important Info on Satellite TV in DR - Charlie (DN) going N3

Feb 7, 2007
8,005
625
113
Glossary:

Charlie aka Dick aka DN aka Dish
BEV aka B3V aka Bell Express Vu
N3 aka Nag 3 aka Nagravision 3 aka G3
Providers aka known as Dish and Bell
Subs aka paying subscribers aka subscriber cards aka smart cards
S.U.N.S formerly IKS aka Internet Key Sharing formerly "card sharing"
FTA aka Free to Air (receivers) - Viewsat, Coolsat, Dreambox, Nfusion, Pansat, etc.

So my friends with satellite TV, prepare for the days ahead with black screens. I have just gotten a new nf*****n and with the latest development I have taken a crash course on the FTA industry.

With the widespread testing of DN and BEV across North America (NA) using FTA receivers the providers decided that there's been enough testing.

It's a well known fact that N2 (Nagravision 2) coding was broken a long time ago, and to cite one of the FTA forums, "coders knew N2 as the back of their hands", new bins were released minutes after the codes were changed by providers.

So the companies decided to switch into N3 - Nagravision 3 from N2. This involved a massive swap of subs (the new ones are purple color on DN) that on DN initiated in November 2008 and on BEV was actually completed in Nov'08.

BEV went N3 in November 2008 and since then, only nfusion using IKS/SUNS was able to get programming, although without PPV and porn. But at last people got their CBC and CTV. Other FTA's, repeat ALL OTHER FTA's, went dark and have been dark ever since.

Yes people, N3 has NOT been broken yet, so with DN going fully N3 this month, you know what to expect. In Europe N3 has been in use for much longer (Premiere, UPC, Digital+ Spain, etc.) and coders could NOT break N3 as yet.

What concerns most of people in the DR with satellite TV is DN, so read on:

DN has switched their Echostar 6 & 7 @ 73w to N3 in November 2008 and completed conversion by December 2008. That means people in the USA using those satellites were already swapped their smart cards and are using N3 only.

All international Channels on DN that are on Anik 3 @ 118.8w went N3 in mid-February.

People in the DR have their dishes pointed to Echostar 10 & 11 @ 110w and Echostar 7 @ 119w will be affected by N3 conversion this month.

By now (since Nov'08) all channels on 110w and 119w for DN were coded both in N2 and N3. As of April 2009, full N3 conversion is under way.

From a FTA forum:

Programming services that are supported on the Aladin (old) Smart Cards will be taken down based on the staggered schedule below. The dates in parentheses are when reminder pop-up messages will begin appearing on an affected customer’s TV screen.

• 4/1/09 – Adult programming (customer pop-up reminder messages began 3/18).

• 4/8/09 – HD programming, Starz, and Encore (customer pop-up reminder messages begin 3/25).

• 4/15/09 – Latino programming, Showtime, HBO, and Cinemax (customer pop-up messages for Latino begin 3/25 and for Showtime, HBO, and Cinemax begin 4/1).

• 4/22/09 – Classic Gold 250 (customer pop-up reminder messages begin 4/8).

• 4/29/09 – Classic Silver 200 (customer pop-up reminder messages begin 4/15).

• 5/27/09 – Last round of on-screen messaging begins on 5/6 for any remaining services. All remaining services (including local network programming) will be shut off to Aladin Smart Cards by 5/27.


The adult channels DID INDEED go N3 yesterday 6/April/2009. You can check that on your receivers. Not even nfusion is (yet) picking them up.

THERE IS NO HACK/CRACK/CODE FOR N3 YET!!!! There is not. That's it.
There has been some progress made in Europe by opening up some parts of N3 on Premiere and Digital+ (do some google research for more info) but it's far from being fully cracked.

There may be a solution for us nfusion folks if the Pyros brothers (coders for nfusion) keep up with the work and if the SUNS/IKS keep working. Make sure you have the newest file 1.50.3 for your nfusions installed. If BEV is an example, they will put the new N3 cards into the servers for SUNS/IKS to work. But that may take some time, and may be the same as on BEV that PPV, SPORTS, and PORN will NOT be available on N3 IKS. And may be done only after full N3 conversion on DN is completed (May 2009) - so it may be lots of black channels till then.
However, SUNS/IKS for BEV were down for about 7 days end-of-march and came back online yesterday. BEV is now back on N3 SUNKS/IKS on nfusion, no PORN and no PPV.

Because there is NO CRACK for N3 (yet), Viewsat, Pansat and others that use BINs to decode the signal (emulate DN receivers) will go black on the channels that go N3. Once all channels are N3, those FTA receivers WILL BE BLACK until the N3 crack is available (which may be several weeks, months, or never). Now considering N3 cards have been in distribution on BEV and DN since November, and Europe has been using N3 for much longer, and there is still no crack, I wouldn't hold my hopes high that a N3 crack will become available soon for the receivers that use BINS (practically theya re using what is called "emulation").

So receivers with emulation for DN will go black after N3 conversion. Receivers with IKS (nfusion and some others) MAY (again, MAY) keep working after the N3 conversion.

But the future is uncertain. So people, go get your cable subscriptions ready. DN will be going black soon ... and if nfusion and other receivers using IKS will keep working after N3 is fully implemented on Dish (April/May 2009), there will be a huge demand for them and prices will most likely skyrocket.

For more reading, you can visit some FTA forums.

http://www.nfusionforum.com (Apr/7/09 down for upgrades)
Live FTA - Satellite Forums
Dsstester.com | FTA, DISH & DSS Forums
FTA Forums Viewsat Files TOTAL FTA Viewsat & Sonicview Conaxsat Receivers
ABA DSS - Free to Air Satellite TV Community
Satellite FTA Forum: FTA Forums
http://www.ftapeople.net/

and I leave you one more link: El Fin del Mundo: http://www.n2news.com/board2/spanish/43486-el-comienzo-del-fin.html
Let's keep the fingers crossed... and people: PATIENCE
There WILL be solution ... someday
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: windeguy

TheHun

New member
May 4, 2008
448
58
0
Rubio,

Good info! Thanks. I guess I'll just get back to the good old books now and order some blueray discs from the US meanwhile to feed my hunger for HD.
BTW, anyone in Santiago has any BR collection in english?? Wanna xchange??

The Hun
 

Luperon

Who empowered China's crime against humanity?
Jun 28, 2004
4,510
294
83
Since bev works on nfusion in the usa, could you get bev with a large dish in the DR?
 
Feb 7, 2007
8,005
625
113
According to the specialists who understand the stuff here in the DR, you would need extremely huge dish (like 8 foot) to pick up some low-quality BEV signal in the DR.
 

InsanelyOne

Bronze
Oct 21, 2008
895
28
28
Excellent post! Thanks for the information. I'm moving to the DR next month and was very curious about this very subject. Looks like I'll go with Cable in the near-term.
 

Eddy

Silver
Jan 1, 2002
3,668
219
0
Excellent post! Thanks for the information. I'm moving to the DR next month and was very curious about this very subject. Looks like I'll go with Cable in the near-term.
You should consider subscribing to a legal dish package and bringing the receiver with you. As for Dish, it's still up and running PPV's and all. (For how long?)
 
Feb 7, 2007
8,005
625
113
Dish IS running, because most channels are still in N2 (including PPV). But for example, adult channels went already N3 on April 6. PPV, HBO, Starz will go N3 on April 8-April 13, Dish Latino April 15-April 22, etc (schedule above).

Now with nfusion some channels may be down for some time after they go N3, but eventually they will be up because nfusion uses IKS (see glossary above).

Here in DR, people are not much worried about IP tracking.... in the USA, I might be.

Only time will tell how these things work out. As long as the signal is there, we should enjoy it.
 

InsanelyOne

Bronze
Oct 21, 2008
895
28
28
You should consider subscribing to a legal dish package and bringing the receiver with you. As for Dish, it's still up and running PPV's and all. (For how long?)

I'm gonna hold off for now. I've got an AppleTV setup with an LCD projector that I'm currently using to watch downloaded HD movies and TV.
 

Chip

Platinum
Jul 25, 2007
16,772
429
0
Santiago
I had been wanting to get a satellite system but heard from friends that something similar as described was going to happen so I have held off.

If I understood right, there are maybe three providers that have a partial crack -therefore, since I'm not interested in the porn or PPV channels, can you guys recommend one of these systems that I can buy components for use here in the DR?
 
Feb 7, 2007
8,005
625
113
Let's wait off till Dish latino channels go N3. that should be between Apr 15 and Apr 23. If Nfusion pick them up shortly thereafter, it'll be safe to say nfusion is to stay, and that would be the system you should look at.
 

Chip

Platinum
Jul 25, 2007
16,772
429
0
Santiago
Let's wait off till Dish latino channels go N3. that should be between Apr 15 and Apr 23. If Nfusion pick them up shortly thereafter, it'll be safe to say nfusion is to stay, and that would be the system you should look at.

Thanks. Would I therefore do an ebay search for "Nfusion" components for the stuff I need after the dates you posted?

Also, does "Dish Latino" have English speaking channels too like sports, movie and history/science channels?

thanks
 
M

MirianAmor

Guest
Thanks. Would I therefore do an ebay search for "Nfusion" components for the stuff I need after the dates you posted?

Also, does "Dish Latino" have English speaking channels too like sports, movie and history/science channels?

thanks

You don't need "Dish Latino". nfusion will give you everything. PPV and Pornography - around 800 channels. Do not buy on eBay. Buy new about $200.00 plus the dishes. Works great.
 
Feb 7, 2007
8,005
625
113
You would basically need:

A 3.2 ft dish, 2 LNB's, a receiver and cabling, and professional installer.

You would get Dish 110w and 119w satellites.

Dish Latino is how Dish refers to Spanish language channels. I referred to them because they will go N3 sooner than English channels.

But up to now, people with FTA receivers (including Nfusion) were getting all channels from 110w and 119w stallites, that's about 650+ channels, including all PPV and XXX and on-demand channels and sports networks and sports evens, such as NBA, NHLS, MLB etc.

With ongoing conversion into N3, it's to be seen how much will be "left" with nfusion untill the N3 crack and hack is available, and all receivers get again 100% of everything that's up there on Dish.

If BEV (Bell Canada TV) is an example, after it went N3, within a short time almost all channels became available on nfusion with the exception of PPV and Porn channels, we can expect similar thing happening with Dish. That means, English channels, Spanish channels, Movie packages and some international channels (off 118.8w) that will be available via IKS on nfusion. Exact time schedule of when they will become available is to be seen, though.

All other receivers (that used N2 hack and not sub card sharing) are still black on BEV (no channels) since Nov'08. It's to be assumed that the same happens on DN, meaning they will go dark.

HOWEVER, Canada was not a very big pot of gold on FTA market, most of gold is concentrated in the USA and especially south of the border, so manufacturers of receivers are assumed to accelerate payments to coders to get N3 crack (otherwise, their business will be dead. And it's a business ---- FTA receiver manufacturing --- that moves VERY lot of money) ...

So this is what probably can be expected from nfusion after channels on DN going N3:

Spanish channels (at least most popular ones)
English channels (at leas most popular ones)
Movie packages (HBO, Cinemax, Starz)
Some local channels

What most likely will not be available:
Porn
PPV
Other local channels

As far as local channels are concerned, there are tens of affiliates for ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW and MYTV on Dish... so most likely, the IKS will have maybe 2-3 of ABCs, NBCs, CBS's, etc... as opposed to tens of them available now.

P.S. Nfusion is available in several versions, in SD you get Solaris for US$139 and Phoenix for US$169. HD receivers are more expensive. Solaris is a successor to the most popular nfusion line called "Nova". You can buy it off many websites (look for sponsors at the forums I linked in my OP) or search nfusion on google. You can have it shipped to EPS in Miami and pay about 900 pesos to get in ion the DR. You can also buy it in the DR for 6.500 pesos from Digital TV and for 6.000 pesos from a seller in POP ---www.drsatellite.tv --- who ships nationwide DR included.
DO NOT INVEST ANY MONEY until it's clear how N3 is going on in nfusion. We will knwo after Dish Latino channels are switched to N3
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Chip
Feb 7, 2007
8,005
625
113
Why don't you just pay for Sky? The equipment is free, monthly fees are reasonable and the service is really good. It's so simple - Or am I missing something?


Yes - SKY NO SIRVE
And that's opinion of many people who have it and are stuck into 18 month contract and don't like it. Most of all, the majority of channels are in Spanish only, and for that, you can get your local cable at half the price and with no commitment.
Btw, there is a hack for SKY as well, but the receivers are not selling well (and they are cheap) - I consider it as a reflection of SKY's unpopularity.
 
M

MirianAmor

Guest
You would basically need:

A 3.2 ft dish, 2 LNB's, a receiver and cabling, and professional installer.

You would get Dish 110w and 119w satellites.

Dish Latino is how Dish refers to Spanish language channels. I referred to them because they will go N3 sooner than English channels.

But up to now, people with FTA receivers (including Nfusion) were getting all channels from 110w and 119w stallites, that's about 650+ channels, including all PPV and XXX and on-demand channels and sports networks and sports evens, such as NBA, NHLS, MLB etc.

With ongoing conversion into N3, it's to be seen how much will be "left" with nfusion untill the N3 crack and hack is available, and all receivers get again 100% of everything that's up there on Dish.

If BEV (Bell Canada TV) is an example, after it went N3, within a short time almost all channels became available on nfusion with the exception of PPV and Porn channels, we can expect similar thing happening with Dish. That means, English channels, Spanish channels, Movie packages and some international channels (off 118.8w) that will be available via IKS on nfusion. Exact time schedule of when they will become available is to be seen, though.

All other receivers (that used N2 hack and not sub card sharing) are still black on BEV (no channels) since Nov'08. It's to be assumed that the same happens on DN, meaning they will go dark.

HOWEVER, Canada was not a very big pot of gold on FTA market, most of gold is concentrated in the USA and especially south of the border, so manufacturers of receivers are assumed to accelerate payments to coders to get N3 crack (otherwise, their business will be dead. And it's a business ---- FTA receiver manufacturing --- that moves VERY lot of money) ...

So this is what probably can be expected from nfusion after channels on DN going N3:

Spanish channels (at least most popular ones)
English channels (at leas most popular ones)
Movie packages (HBO, Cinemax, Starz)
Some local channels

What most likely will not be available:
Porn
PPV
Other local channels

As far as local channels are concerned, there are tens of affiliates for ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW and MYTV on Dish... so most likely, the IKS will have maybe 2-3 of ABCs, NBCs, CBS's, etc... as opposed to tens of them available now.

P.S. Nfusion is available in several versions, in SD you get Solaris for US$139 and Phoenix for US$169. HD receivers are more expensive. Solaris is a successor to the most popular nfusion line called "Nova". You can buy it off many websites (look for sponsors at the forums I linked in my OP) or search nfusion on google. You can have it shipped to EPS in Miami and pay about 900 pesos to get in ion the DR. You can also buy it in the DR for 6.500 pesos from Digital TV and for 6.000 pesos from a seller in POP ---www.drsatellite.tv --- who ships nationwide DR included.
DO NOT INVEST ANY MONEY until it's clear how N3 is going on in nfusion. We will knwo after Dish Latino channels are switched to N3

To get great TV all times of the day and night, you will need 2 6ft dishes and other odds and ends. Ours is great.
 
Feb 7, 2007
8,005
625
113
To get great TV all times of the day and night, you will need 2 6ft dishes and other odds and ends. Ours is great.

That's not correct. You can get DN 110w signal with as small as 2ft dish (signal has been boosted recently) and 119w will be good with 3ft dish.

You can mount both LNB's on the same dish of at least 3.2 ft, or two separate dishes of 3ft. You align LNB for 119w first and then you add LNB for 110w (if on the same dish). If you align for 119w and you even stick the second LNB with a "tape" without aligning, you will get 85+% signal quality on the 110w as well, even though dish is pointed to 119w - that's how strong the signal is from 110w. With aligning the second LNB you can get 95+% quality, all on the 3 - 3.2 ft dish.

I have 2 x 3 ft dish setup, and I get quality 97% on 110w and 89% on 119w. It won't get any better than that....

I got dishes and LNB's from a guy in SD for RD$2.850 each set (dish + LNB) he ships nationwide at additional charge.
 

Domwolf

New member
Mar 22, 2004
72
0
0
50
Why don't you just pay for Sky? The equipment is free, monthly fees are reasonable and the service is really good. It's so simple - Or am I missing something?

If you like Sky and you have your Pansat or Viewsat, you can move your dish to point to Amazonas 61W.

you will get the same amount as sky . It's like dish network but for latin america.

It's a good option for those with FTA units until N3 is cracked
 
M

MirianAmor

Guest
That's not correct. You can get DN 110w signal with as small as 2ft dish (signal has been boosted recently) and 119w will be good with 3ft dish.

You can mount both LNB's on the same dish of at least 3.2 ft, or two separate dishes of 3ft. You align LNB for 119w first and then you add LNB for 110w (if on the same dish). If you align for 119w and you even stick the second LNB with a "tape" without aligning, you will get 85+% signal quality on the 110w as well, even though dish is pointed to 119w - that's how strong the signal is from 110w. With aligning the second LNB you can get 95+% quality, all on the 3 - 3.2 ft dish.

I have 2 x 3 ft dish setup, and I get quality 97% on 110w and 89% on 119w. It won't get any better than that....I got dishes and LNB's from a guy in SD for RD$2.850 each set (dish + LNB) he ships nationwide at additional charge.

Depends on what channels you want. Better to get 2 6 ft dishes and you get everything , even when it rains. For example, SPEED, won't work at 6 or 7 in the morning on a shared 3ft dish. Rest assured, this is from the "Oracle"

I Know. I had it. Now I have 1 6 ft and 1 smaller. Works great. nfusion is the best