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1965 Civil War: 400 U.S. Marines?
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OK, mod, I guess Rush hasn't told you about the DR1 news article regarding las tropas americanas durante la revoluci?n del '65?
The number given was right... give or take 41,600. But what do we know? We're not 'General Stuff' mods.
The number given was right... give or take 41,600. But what do we know? We're not 'General Stuff' mods.
That was a reference to the 82nd Airbourne...
There were never 42000 troops here, and 20,000 is a stretch.. You weren't there, I wuz...
Overwhelming? Yes. Efficient? Yes. But I would need to see the US Records of deployment to believe those figures. When that book was written theauthor did not have access...
Did it work>? Within the context of the 1960s Cold War...yes...a leftist-leaning. liberal takeover with ties to Castro and Moscow was avoided...Was it good for the country? Who can say...
Whoever took over the government would have to deal with Police and military that were Trujillo born and bred....Certainly not something easy to take on no matter what the political persuasion...
HB
There were never 42000 troops here, and 20,000 is a stretch.. You weren't there, I wuz...
Overwhelming? Yes. Efficient? Yes. But I would need to see the US Records of deployment to believe those figures. When that book was written theauthor did not have access...
Did it work>? Within the context of the 1960s Cold War...yes...a leftist-leaning. liberal takeover with ties to Castro and Moscow was avoided...Was it good for the country? Who can say...
Whoever took over the government would have to deal with Police and military that were Trujillo born and bred....Certainly not something easy to take on no matter what the political persuasion...
HB
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You once said "no one knocks on doors any longer," regarding U.S. elections, and now you said, "You weren't there..."
Wrong on both counts, se?or.
The author, Tad Szulc, one of MANY reporters, was there, as well. And Szulc was not the only one saying so.
Hillbilly;
Check with Wikipedia googling "Invasion of the Dominican Republic" and, if you would, verify the information contained on that page's "thumbnail report" of the essential elements.
It would seem that by johnson's initiative, other Latin American Countries joined in containing this revolution/civil war.
Are the facts presented therein reasonably correct?
This is important for future argument and to clear up previous ones that have appeared on these pages from time to time.
Texas Bill
Check with Wikipedia googling "Invasion of the Dominican Republic" and, if you would, verify the information contained on that page's "thumbnail report" of the essential elements.
It would seem that by johnson's initiative, other Latin American Countries joined in containing this revolution/civil war.
Are the facts presented therein reasonably correct?
This is important for future argument and to clear up previous ones that have appeared on these pages from time to time.
Texas Bill
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I too respect the pinions of Hillbilly and Texas Bill, but as we are all human we can't know everything. I am partial to quoting sources and so here are just two indicating an overwhelming show of force for the size of the DR and the population at the time.
*MILITARY CRISIS MANAGEMENT
U. S. Intervention in the Dominican Republic, 1965
Herbert G. Schoonmaker
Contributions in Military Studies, Number 95
Greenwood Press New York ? Westport, Connecticut ? London
Military Crisis Management: U.S. Intervention in the Dominican Republic, 1965
*THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC A Caribbean Crucible
SECOND EDITION
Howard J. Wiarda and Michael J. Kryzanek
Westview Press
BOULDER ? SAN FRANCISCO ? OXFORD
The Dominican Republic: A Caribbean Crucible
*MILITARY CRISIS MANAGEMENT
U. S. Intervention in the Dominican Republic, 1965
Herbert G. Schoonmaker
Contributions in Military Studies, Number 95
Greenwood Press New York ? Westport, Connecticut ? London
Military Crisis Management: U.S. Intervention in the Dominican Republic, 1965
*THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC A Caribbean Crucible
SECOND EDITION
Howard J. Wiarda and Michael J. Kryzanek
Westview Press
BOULDER ? SAN FRANCISCO ? OXFORD
The Dominican Republic: A Caribbean Crucible
Better to have more men and equipment than you ultimately need than to have to try and bring more info a rapidly deteriorating situation
remember this was mid 60's, forces could not be deployed as quickly or effectively as today
More force and equipment, just like more cops on a scene usually result in less force used and less injuries
remember this was mid 60's, forces could not be deployed as quickly or effectively as today
More force and equipment, just like more cops on a scene usually result in less force used and less injuries
The problem in both Vietnam and the intervention in the DR was a hands on, micromanaging psychopath "Landslide" Lyndon Johnson.
History doesn't always repeat itself but it sure does keep rhyming.
LBJ had stated he was not going to tolerate another Cuba in his backyard. There was a big difference though, the constitutionalist were trying to restore Juan Bosch back into the presidency, an election he had won in 1963 in what is acknowledged to be the first free election in the country's history. Btw an election he won with over 60% of the votes. Democracy was truncated then and the effects are still being felt today.
The first troops came off of the Boxer, if memory serves. Look, I was farming rice back then, trying to make a living...I met and liked the Special Forces guys in Monte Cristi and La Vega. In Santo Domingo I practiced judo with a Captain onf the 82nd stationed at Molinos Dominicanos. There were no huge contingencies on troops anywhere to be seen...which could well influence my perception of things.
The FIP which replaced the all-US forces had Brazilian, Honduran and many other troops who made fortunes buying at US commissary for the "folks back home" One of the micro-scandals of the time..
I know Howard Wiarda...nice guy...good professor... one of the first to take advantage of "small nation history field" everybody else was doing Argentina, Mexico and Brazil...I think he and Abe Lowenthal were two of the first to really study the DR.
As for the results of the 1965 "war" ....hummmm...not so sure that Bosch and the PRD would have done much...for me, even then, too idealistic...far removed from a reality that was the DR-post-Trujillo....lots of skeletons....
Even at 40+ years, we are too close to events...heck I play (ed) golf with a pair of guys whose brother was killed in the assault on the Presidential Palace....and whose father was one of the big villains of the Trujillo regime....
Maybe in another 20 years or so we can take a less passionate, politicized look at those events...
HB
The FIP which replaced the all-US forces had Brazilian, Honduran and many other troops who made fortunes buying at US commissary for the "folks back home" One of the micro-scandals of the time..
I know Howard Wiarda...nice guy...good professor... one of the first to take advantage of "small nation history field" everybody else was doing Argentina, Mexico and Brazil...I think he and Abe Lowenthal were two of the first to really study the DR.
As for the results of the 1965 "war" ....hummmm...not so sure that Bosch and the PRD would have done much...for me, even then, too idealistic...far removed from a reality that was the DR-post-Trujillo....lots of skeletons....
Even at 40+ years, we are too close to events...heck I play (ed) golf with a pair of guys whose brother was killed in the assault on the Presidential Palace....and whose father was one of the big villains of the Trujillo regime....
Maybe in another 20 years or so we can take a less passionate, politicized look at those events...
HB