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Pelotero Dominicano on Death Row
Maybe you can get the Cardinal to spout off in the media about being against the death penalty to "save" him. It seems to be working for abortion.
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Has right to appeals, sympathy a tough sell
I had never heard of the case before. Here are the details from the court:
http://www.supreme.state.az.us/opin/pdf2005/CR030199AP.pdf
And short newspaper article about the case:
Fabio Evelio Gomez
TheHun and windeguy: the death sentence is obviously the most severe, irrevocable punishment. The justice system is not perfect. Innocent people have been executed. DNA testing has revealed that some on death row were actually innocent. The costs related to them being on death row mostly come from the appeals process, and given the state and history of the justice system and the errors is has and does make, the right to appeals cannot be taken away.
I am ashamed and saddened that the U.S. still uses the death penalty. It is not objective, just, efficient or effective, any way you want to look at it. I am glad that the appeals system is in place and respect Fabio Gomez' right to use it, no matter how much it costs. Want to save taxpayer money? Abolish the death penalty.
I do not believe he should be executed because I do not support the death penalty-not morally and not from a criminological perspective.
However, these efforts being made at gaining public sympathy for him seem futile. Despite the overwheliming evidence against him, he has yet to admit any level of guilt or express any remorse. The crime was brutal; the woman was bludgeoned 18+ times in the head with a dumb bell and thrown in a dumpster. I do not feel any sympathy for him because he was a PELOTERO, from any league or team, or because is DOMINICAN. I don't care. He could be a Haitian crackhead, a rich Mexican oil tycoon, it doesn't matter in terms of me feeling more or less sorry for them or placing more or less value on their life. It's shameful that people are trying to use a few of his random charitable acts or the fact that he played baseball to drum up sympathy.
This is not the kind of case to use to try to get public support for abolishing the death penalty, which is probably why you can't find too much talk about it other than in the Dominican press.
I had never heard of the case before. Here are the details from the court:
http://www.supreme.state.az.us/opin/pdf2005/CR030199AP.pdf
And short newspaper article about the case:
Fabio Evelio Gomez
TheHun and windeguy: the death sentence is obviously the most severe, irrevocable punishment. The justice system is not perfect. Innocent people have been executed. DNA testing has revealed that some on death row were actually innocent. The costs related to them being on death row mostly come from the appeals process, and given the state and history of the justice system and the errors is has and does make, the right to appeals cannot be taken away.
I am ashamed and saddened that the U.S. still uses the death penalty. It is not objective, just, efficient or effective, any way you want to look at it. I am glad that the appeals system is in place and respect Fabio Gomez' right to use it, no matter how much it costs. Want to save taxpayer money? Abolish the death penalty.
I do not believe he should be executed because I do not support the death penalty-not morally and not from a criminological perspective.
However, these efforts being made at gaining public sympathy for him seem futile. Despite the overwheliming evidence against him, he has yet to admit any level of guilt or express any remorse. The crime was brutal; the woman was bludgeoned 18+ times in the head with a dumb bell and thrown in a dumpster. I do not feel any sympathy for him because he was a PELOTERO, from any league or team, or because is DOMINICAN. I don't care. He could be a Haitian crackhead, a rich Mexican oil tycoon, it doesn't matter in terms of me feeling more or less sorry for them or placing more or less value on their life. It's shameful that people are trying to use a few of his random charitable acts or the fact that he played baseball to drum up sympathy.
This is not the kind of case to use to try to get public support for abolishing the death penalty, which is probably why you can't find too much talk about it other than in the Dominican press.
He is an arrogant sociopath. Anyone who represents himself at his own death penalty hearing is a little twisted.
To talk about his sexual prowess at his HIS death penelty hearing after being convicted of killing a woman and sexually assaulting her???
He has no remorse or humility. He cannot be rehabilitated and I don't want him as my neighbor or raising children.
His excuse for the blood in the apt was.... he killed the cat for scratching his child???? Now that is a valid excuse for killing a cat. I see that logical jump.... scratches...kill the cat..... B*** mouthes off... kill her too.
He has A LOT of anger problems.
He's not getting much sympathy from me nor does it appear from anyone.
He's had 10 years to think about it and it seems as though he hasn't learned much. I don't think he's going to have some radical spiritual awakening anytime soon.
At this point, if he does it's going to be a bit late. He should've had one a little sooner.
so.....
To talk about his sexual prowess at his HIS death penelty hearing after being convicted of killing a woman and sexually assaulting her???
He has no remorse or humility. He cannot be rehabilitated and I don't want him as my neighbor or raising children.
His excuse for the blood in the apt was.... he killed the cat for scratching his child???? Now that is a valid excuse for killing a cat. I see that logical jump.... scratches...kill the cat..... B*** mouthes off... kill her too.
He has A LOT of anger problems.
He's not getting much sympathy from me nor does it appear from anyone.
He's had 10 years to think about it and it seems as though he hasn't learned much. I don't think he's going to have some radical spiritual awakening anytime soon.
At this point, if he does it's going to be a bit late. He should've had one a little sooner.
so.....
Noche what are you smoking????? I guess this scum of a man is a friend of yours,if so how can you rationalize what he did? Why should Dominicans or anyone else feel sympathy for this piece of shyte? Do you believe in his innocence?How do you explain all the poor womans blood all over his apt and the body in a dumpster in front of his apt. I would love to be there to pull the lever and watch the bastard fry.
I agree 100% ! Why should this person be given his life to live when he cruelly and brutally ended someone elses??
DNA evidence is usually pretty accurate.
Hope he gets what he deserves.
I'd love to talk to him to find out what happened and why but I know his answer .....
I am the victim.. poor me... I was set up... It wasn't my fault.... she provoked me... she led me on.. she mouthed off... it was all her fault....
It's everyone else's fault. Everyone should feel sorry for ME. If she didn't do XXXXX I wouldn't have done what I did.
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The evidence was planted/manipulated to frame me. They hate Dominicans in AZ. They only like Mexicans.
They rope people (women) into their lies. They are charming and believable. They are the masters of manipulation. They have an answer for everything. By the time they are finished talking, they have you believing their nonsense.
The DNA/Blood... it was hers but there is really a logical reason HOW it ended up in his apt.......
RUN......
I am the victim.. poor me... I was set up... It wasn't my fault.... she provoked me... she led me on.. she mouthed off... it was all her fault....
It's everyone else's fault. Everyone should feel sorry for ME. If she didn't do XXXXX I wouldn't have done what I did.
or
The evidence was planted/manipulated to frame me. They hate Dominicans in AZ. They only like Mexicans.
They rope people (women) into their lies. They are charming and believable. They are the masters of manipulation. They have an answer for everything. By the time they are finished talking, they have you believing their nonsense.
The DNA/Blood... it was hers but there is really a logical reason HOW it ended up in his apt.......
RUN......
"Whatever you guys do to me, I will respect it," Gomez said.
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He is displaying arrogant bravado. He's not sincere. He has no soul.
... I'll respect it"
It's garbage. It's a front. Who cares what he thinks. Who cares if he respects the jury's decision. It doesn't matter. It's a ploy and a game and a manipulation to come across a a decent person.
If he were a decent human being he'd apologize to her family. He'd show remorse. He'd be humble.
If they decide on the death penalty, lets see if he appeals it. That is his constitutional right but he did say he would respect their decision. He should not.
... I'll respect it"
It's garbage. It's a front. Who cares what he thinks. Who cares if he respects the jury's decision. It doesn't matter. It's a ploy and a game and a manipulation to come across a a decent person.
If he were a decent human being he'd apologize to her family. He'd show remorse. He'd be humble.
If they decide on the death penalty, lets see if he appeals it. That is his constitutional right but he did say he would respect their decision. He should not.
FWIW, I hope he is successful in his appeal and gets his sentence changed to life in prison without parole; I'm fundamentally against the death penalty even for a guy like this (and its cheaper).