Dominican Girl Shot to Death with Police Watching???

How it is reported

Could it have been this incident?
Matan mujer interior veh?culo - ElNacional.com.do

donP

Crime happens. It happens all over the world and in many countries, often much worse than here.

At least we don't have mad gunmen blowing away students at school/collage etc or bombs being let off in the street.

The woman being killed story...

Looks like this one was an accident after a struggle in the car with the woman's ex-husband who was being detained.

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Robert said:

Crime happens. It happens all over the world and in many countries, often much worse than here.

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Perfectly true.
But is it DR related?

donP

waytogo said:

Different from what was said on tv. A tragedy that shouldn't have happened. While the officer is struggling inside the police car with the x-husband, the cop pulls out his gun. What was he thinking?
Thank you for the newsprint.

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The problem with the news sources in this country, is that you can have one story with 10 different versions, names and numbers. This is why the people compiling our Daily News read 4-5 newspapers, plus online to try and get the real story.

This is a gun culture and the cops will often pull out their guns.
This is not Europe or the USA. Different country, different rules and culture.

donP said:

Perfectly true.
But is it DR related?

donP

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I guess I wasn't very clear on what I was trying to get across.

Someone could read this board and think the DR is a crime infested and really unsafe. In fact, we know that's not the reality and crime in general is much lower than many other countries, especially serious crime.

Yes your right, it's DR related, which is a bonus

Do we have any stats on dr1 comparing the crime in the countries in the region. Could be interesting to see. I believe it is true what Robert says that crime here is lower than other Caribbean and Lat Am countries. In Cuba maybe it is lower but then again there you have a policeman on every corner controlling everybody.

Any statistics that might be available should be considered unreliable at best.

There are no real statistics here, for many reasons, including the failure of the police to keep accurate records. Neither is there any real interest in keeping accurate records, since the results would be misreported and/or misinterpreted anyway.

The records that are reported indicate "there is absolutely no crime in tourist areas." That was actually a real quoted headline, attributed to the head of Politor, the National Police branch dedicated to protecting tourists.

I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but I doubt any real and verifiable statistics can or will be found in the DR with regard to crime, not in this decade, at least.

donP said:

Perfectly true.
But is it DR related?

donP

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A post doesn't have to be about mountains or amphibians to be DR-related

drcaycu said:

Do we have any stats on dr1 comparing the crime in the countries in the region. Could be interesting to see. I believe it is true what Robert says that crime here is lower than other Caribbean and Lat Am countries. In Cuba maybe it is lower but then again there you have a policeman on every corner controlling everybody.

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I think if you dig around Google you will find a bunch of sources.

The other thing to consider is location in the DR.

Ask the people that live in Punta Cana / Bavaro about the crime rate.
It's a completely different country almost, with a very low crime rate.
Also, areas of Santo Domingo and Santiago differ greatly, like any major city.

Whilst in Sosua on the weekend I witnessed two fights at El Flow.
In my 12 years of regularly visiting Sosua, this was the first time in years I had ever seen a fight on the street. If this was my first time as a tourist in Sosua, then I'm sure I would have walked away thinking it's a dangerous town.

Crime is like real estate, location, location, location....

The CIA world fact book has stats. I'll leave you all to decide if the stats are accurate or manipulated!

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From the U.S. State Department website:

CRIME: Crime continues to be a problem throughout the Dominican Republic. Street crime and petty theft involving U.S. tourists does occur, and precautions should be taken to avoid becoming a target. While pick pocketing and mugging are the most common crimes against tourists, reports of violence against both foreigners and locals are growing. Valuables left unattended in parked automobiles, on beaches and in other public places are vulnerable to theft, and reports of car theft have increased.

Travelers to the Dominican Republic should strongly consider leaving valuable property at home. The Embassy recommends bringing no item on your trip that cannot be easily replaced and to make contingency plans in case of theft. These precautions include: making photocopies of all credit cards and licenses which include the numbers to call in order to report theft; photocopies of passports and birth certificates; and leaving emergency funds with someone at home in case it is necessary for money to be sent on short notice.

Carry cellular telephones in a pocket rather than on a belt or in a purse. Avoid wearing headphones, which make the bearer more vulnerable and readily advertise the presence of a valuable item. Limit or avoid display of jewelry; it attracts attention and could prompt a robbery attempt. Limit cash and credit cards carried on your person. Store valuables, wallet items, and passports in a safe place.

There are continuing reports of thefts that target Americans as they leave the airport in a taxi that lacks air-conditioning. The driver rolls down the windows and when the taxi stops at a traffic light, a motorcyclist reaches in and steals a purse or anything they can grab. Travelers are advised to utilize the taxi service authorized by the airport if they have made no arrangements before arrival. Even when using such an authorized taxi service, Americans should always be aware of the potential for a criminal to stalk travelers leaving the airport parking area. Take measures to safeguard your personal security at all times.

The dangers present in the Dominican Republic are similar to those of many major U.S. cities. Criminals can be dangerous -- many have weapons and are likely to use them if they meet resistance. Visitors walking the streets should always be aware of their surroundings. Be wary of strangers, especially those who seek you out at celebrations or nightspots. Travel with a partner or in a group if possible.

Many public transportation vehicles are unsafe, especially the route taxis or “carros publicos” in urban areas. These are privately owned vehicles that run along certain routes, can take up to six or more passengers, and are inexpensive. Passengers in “carros publicos” are frequently the victims of pick pocketing, and passengers have on occasion been robbed by “carro publico” drivers. Urban buses (“guaguas”) are only marginally better. The U.S. Embassy is also aware of at least one incident in which the driver of a “motoconcho” (motorcycle taxi) robbed an American passenger. The U.S. Embassy cautions its staff not to use these modes of transportation. As an alternative, some scheduled interurban bus services use modern buses and run on reliable timetables. These are generally the safest means of intercity travel. With respect to taxis, visitors to the Dominican Republic are strongly advised to take only hotel taxis or taxis operated by services whose cabs are arranged in advance by phone and can subsequently be identified and tracked.

Drivers should exercise extreme caution when driving at night and use major highways when possible. In 2006, the U.S. Embassy received reports of Americans and others who were victims of vehicular-armed robberies in the northern provinces of the Dominican Republic. At least three of the reports indicate the victims were intercepted during the morning hours, when there was little other traffic, while driving on rural highways connecting Santiago and Puerto Plata.

Although kidnappings are not common in the Dominican Republic, in 2007, two American citizens were kidnapped and held for ransom, in separate instances.

pyratt said:

Although kidnappings are not common in the Dominican Republic, in 2007, two American citizens were kidnapped and held for ransom, in separate instances.

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Plus 1 in 2009.

Nevermind, that wasn't an American. :bunny: :bunny: :bunny:

pyratt said:

From the U.S. State Department website:

CRIME: Crime continues to be a problem throughout the Dominican Republic. Street crime and petty theft involving U.S. tourists does occur, and precautions should be taken to avoid becoming a target. While pick pocketing and mugging are the most common crimes against tourists, reports of violence against both foreigners and locals are growing.

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Good advice. I replaced the words "Dominican Republic" with "Washington, DC" and it fit perfectly.

Criminal convictions per capita

Judging by the criminal conviction rate, one of the safest places in the world

# 1 Cyprus: 94.7056 per 1,000 people
# 2 Egypt: 46.1385 per 1,000 people
# 3 Finland: 33.1495 per 1,000 people
# 4 New Zealand: 23.7259 per 1,000 people
# 5 United Kingdom: 23.1345 per 1,000 people
# 6 Montserrat: 17.8782 per 1,000 people
# 7 France: 17.6331 per 1,000 people
# 8 Chile: 14.1826 per 1,000 people
# 9 Turkey: 13.9551 per 1,000 people
# 10 Hungary: 9.51464 per 1,000 people
# 11 Switzerland: 9.39177 per 1,000 people
# 12 Canada: 9.02033 per 1,000 people
# 13 Russia: 8.2529 per 1,000 people
# 14 Iceland: 8.17559 per 1,000 people
# 15 Estonia: 7.69767 per 1,000 people
# 16 Thailand: 7.30664 per 1,000 people
# 17 Dominica: 7.1709 per 1,000 people
# 18 Spain: 6.88126 per 1,000 people
# 19 Germany: 6.61698 per 1,000 people
# 20 Czech Republic: 6.17235 per 1,000 people
# 21 Netherlands: 6.13537 per 1,000 people
# 22 Lithuania: 5.74924 per 1,000 people
# 23 Zimbabwe: 5.61426 per 1,000 people
# 24 Belarus: 5.54116 per 1,000 people
# 25 Latvia: 5.54105 per 1,000 people
# 26 Italy: 5.30609 per 1,000 people
# 27 Syria: 5.26538 per 1,000 people
# 28 Kazakhstan: 5.13526 per 1,000 people
# 29 Portugal: 5.08064 per 1,000 people
# 30 Ukraine: 4.91314 per 1,000 people
# 31 Qatar: 4.18284 per 1,000 people
# 32 Slovakia: 4.11766 per 1,000 people
# 33 Bulgaria: 4.08121 per 1,000 people
# 34 Romania: 4.00461 per 1,000 people
# 35 Kyrgyzstan: 3.91916 per 1,000 people
# 36 Croatia: 3.83741 per 1,000 people
# 37 Korea, South: 3.60484 per 1,000 people
# 38 Moldova: 3.58429 per 1,000 people
# 39 Slovenia: 3.42864 per 1,000 people
# 40 Hong Kong: 3.23945 per 1,000 people
# 41 Norway: 2.34749 per 1,000 people
# 42 Malaysia: 2.14725 per 1,000 people
# 43 Colombia: 1.98305 per 1,000 people
# 44 Azerbaijan: 1.84593 per 1,000 people
# 45 Georgia: 1.77122 per 1,000 people
# 46 Uruguay: 1.4274 per 1,000 people
# 47 Panama: 1.28312 per 1,000 people
# 48 Mexico: 1.15422 per 1,000 people
# 49 Albania: 1.14791 per 1,000 people
# 50 Costa Rica: 0.748257 per 1,000 people
# 51 Japan: 0.609173 per 1,000 people
# 52 India: 0.559629 per 1,000 people
# 53 Indonesia: 0.478213 per 1,000 people
# 54 Dominican Republic: 0.380331 per 1,000 people
# 55 Zambia: 0.172882 per 1,000 people
# 56 Papua New Guinea: 0.159603 per 1,000 people

rellosk said:

Plus 1 in 2009.

Nevermind, that wasn't an American. :bunny: :bunny: :bunny:

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Nor a kidnapping

viajar said:

Judging by the criminal conviction rate, one of the safest places in the world


# 48 Mexico: 1.15422 per 1,000 people

# 54 Dominican Republic: 0.380331 per 1,000 people

# 56 Papua New Guinea: 0.159603 per 1,000 people

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Safe for whom? Criminals maybe. They list Mexico as #48 and doesn't Papua New Guinea have head hunters and cannibals?

I think this list speaks more to the inefficiency of the courts than to the lack of crime in these areas.

24 per 10,000

viajar said:

Judging by the criminal conviction rate[/B], one of the safest places in the world

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Of course, with the police not very efficient and the juridical system a farce no wonder. :tired:

But even by the government's own statistics the country has about 24 homicides per 10,000 inhabitants which puts the DR very high up in any statistics.

donP

viajar said:

Judging by the criminal conviction rate, one of the safest places in the world

# 1 Cyprus: 94.7056 per 1,000 people
# 2 Egypt: 46.1385 per 1,000 people
# 3 Finland: 33.1495 per 1,000 people
# 4 New Zealand: 23.7259 per 1,000 people
# 5 United Kingdom: 23.1345 per 1,000 people
# 6 Montserrat: 17.8782 per 1,000 people
# 7 France: 17.6331 per 1,000 people
# 8 Chile: 14.1826 per 1,000 people
# 9 Turkey: 13.9551 per 1,000 people
# 10 Hungary: 9.51464 per 1,000 people
# 11 Switzerland: 9.39177 per 1,000 people
# 12 Canada: 9.02033 per 1,000 people
# 13 Russia: 8.2529 per 1,000 people
# 14 Iceland: 8.17559 per 1,000 people
# 15 Estonia: 7.69767 per 1,000 people
# 16 Thailand: 7.30664 per 1,000 people
# 17 Dominica: 7.1709 per 1,000 people
# 18 Spain: 6.88126 per 1,000 people
# 19 Germany: 6.61698 per 1,000 people
# 20 Czech Republic: 6.17235 per 1,000 people
# 21 Netherlands: 6.13537 per 1,000 people
# 22 Lithuania: 5.74924 per 1,000 people
# 23 Zimbabwe: 5.61426 per 1,000 people
# 24 Belarus: 5.54116 per 1,000 people
# 25 Latvia: 5.54105 per 1,000 people
# 26 Italy: 5.30609 per 1,000 people
# 27 Syria: 5.26538 per 1,000 people
# 28 Kazakhstan: 5.13526 per 1,000 people
# 29 Portugal: 5.08064 per 1,000 people
# 30 Ukraine: 4.91314 per 1,000 people
# 31 Qatar: 4.18284 per 1,000 people
# 32 Slovakia: 4.11766 per 1,000 people
# 33 Bulgaria: 4.08121 per 1,000 people
# 34 Romania: 4.00461 per 1,000 people
# 35 Kyrgyzstan: 3.91916 per 1,000 people
# 36 Croatia: 3.83741 per 1,000 people
# 37 Korea, South: 3.60484 per 1,000 people
# 38 Moldova: 3.58429 per 1,000 people
# 39 Slovenia: 3.42864 per 1,000 people
# 40 Hong Kong: 3.23945 per 1,000 people
# 41 Norway: 2.34749 per 1,000 people
# 42 Malaysia: 2.14725 per 1,000 people
# 43 Colombia: 1.98305 per 1,000 people
# 44 Azerbaijan: 1.84593 per 1,000 people
# 45 Georgia: 1.77122 per 1,000 people
# 46 Uruguay: 1.4274 per 1,000 people
# 47 Panama: 1.28312 per 1,000 people
# 48 Mexico: 1.15422 per 1,000 people
# 49 Albania: 1.14791 per 1,000 people
# 50 Costa Rica: 0.748257 per 1,000 people
# 51 Japan: 0.609173 per 1,000 people
# 52 India: 0.559629 per 1,000 people
# 53 Indonesia: 0.478213 per 1,000 people
# 54 Dominican Republic: 0.380331 per 1,000 people
# 55 Zambia: 0.172882 per 1,000 people
# 56 Papua New Guinea: 0.159603 per 1,000 people

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Hey, I'm just a retired truck driver from Tennessee, but what is your source here on these data? I'm sure we see good data coming out of Uruguay and Kyrgyzstan??