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    Default Haiti can not catch a break

    This is truly sad. As many foreign investors are commecing to invest into Haiti. As infastructure is on its way to finally being addressed as there finally seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel, now the earthquake.. my heart is sad.. When will Haiti truly catch a break.. Why is it when the country takes one step forward it is dealt a severe blow to take 2 steps back... :-(

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    this is not a step backward. its just an occurrence. when the infrastructure is rebuilt in the future it will be better and even more, now we may get to the reason why haiti was allowed to falter for so long. Every problem there was not an internal problem. There were colonizers and international interlopers interceding in their affairs all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacerX View Post
    this is not a step backward. its just an occurrence. when the infrastructure is rebuilt in the future it will be better and even more, now we may get to the reason why haiti was allowed to falter for so long. Every problem there was not an internal problem. There were colonizers and international interlopers interceding in their affairs all the time.
    True but Haitians must accept the responsibility for most of the problems of their country- They are responsible for getting in to the situation and they are the only ones that can truly change the country. No amount of Aid will help if the people don't get educated, stop having a million kids, and always blame someone else for their problems. Haitians are resourceful hardworking people and they are certainly not responsible for natural Disasters, but they are responsible for their lack of.....everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob saunders View Post
    True but Haitians must accept the responsibility for most of the problems of their country- They are responsible for getting in to the situation and they are the only ones that can truly change the country. No amount of Aid will help if the people don't get educated, stop having a million kids, and always blame someone else for their problems. Haitians are resourceful hardworking people and they are certainly not responsible for natural Disasters, but they are responsible for their lack of.....everything.
    Gods, that was somewhat insensitive, I will not argue that most of what you wrote is true, but Bob how can the poor civilians overpower the corrupt Haitian government? I mean, I know I have mention this before, poverty diminishes all kinds of morality and it's different for everyone. How can proper education be given when poverty takes on a higher toll.

    Morality = Ethics, Principles, Goodness, Decency, Probity, Honesty, Integrity etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob saunders View Post
    True but Haitians must accept the responsibility for most of the problems of their country- They are responsible for getting in to the situation and they are the only ones that can truly change the country. No amount of Aid will help if the people don't get educated, stop having a million kids, and always blame someone else for their problems. Haitians are resourceful hardworking people and they are certainly not responsible for natural Disasters, but they are responsible for their lack of.....everything.
    Uhmmm, nope. No they arent. The country is oddly wracked by an enormous amount of debt they have never been able to surmount. This is the only country in the western hemisphere that fought off the french colonizers but yet had to pay reparations to france to recompensate the slave holders. This consumed much of the national coffers for the 19th Century.
    Then various US invasions in the 20th Century to impose despots(short hand: DEmocratic leadership) which consolidate power and resources in their hands. Then remove the socialist and populist democratically elected president because of supposed corruption. Not true. Aristede advocated a living wage, French contractors thought that would cost us money. They discovered gold in the hills. Now why would I leave that precious commodity to a socialist populist? Think about it man, when was the last time France had a relationship with Haiti? But all of a sudden in 2004 they want to exercise dominion? So you see FFL invade and depose Aristede and ship him to West Africa???????????????????????????????????????????? Say what now? Hmm, he knew that gold was for the people. Sold on the open market at $900 an ounce! The development that could occur. But the interlopers saw that said $900/oz.in their pocket!
    Then thanks to US, the price of food has dropped. Haiti was responsible for the production of 30% of the rice in this hemisphere. Just as a mexico with corn, US food susbsidies have lower the price beynd profitablity and sustainibility. Now farmers move to the cities to look for work(just like Mexico) creating slums and more poverty.
    But they gotta find a way oout of that? Come on, if you cannot see the malicious policies and absolutely useless NGOs that come there with a mandate but not a purpose then we are at odds man.
    Haiti was the marionette dancing on the strings of international interlopers

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    i guess i'm coldhearted like bob. true that it might not be the people's fault, but nobody can rise above their problems if they don't put effort into it. the haitians revolted against france and WON! they WON! that should prove they are a resourceful people, they just need a little hope and a little push and i'm positive they can do it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacerX View Post
    Uhmmm, nope. No they arent. The country is oddly wracked by an enormous amount of debt they have never been able to surmount. This is the only country in the western hemisphere that fought off the french colonizers but yet had to pay reparations to france to recompensate the slave holders. This consumed much of the national coffers for the 19th Century.
    Then various US invasions in the 20th Century to impose despots(short hand: DEmocratic leadership) which consolidate power and resources in their hands. Then remove the socialist and populist democratically elected president because of supposed corruption. Not true. Aristede advocated a living wage, French contractors thought that would cost us money. They discovered gold in the hills. Now why would I leave that precious commodity to a socialist populist? Think about it man, when was the last time France had a relationship with Haiti? But all of a sudden in 2004 they want to exercise dominion? So you see FFL invade and depose Aristede and ship him to West Africa???????????????????????????????????????????? Say what now? Hmm, he knew that gold was for the people. Sold on the open market at $900 an ounce! The development that could occur. But the interlopers saw that said $900/oz.in their pocket!
    Then thanks to US, the price of food has dropped. Haiti was responsible for the production of 30% of the rice in this hemisphere. Just as a mexico with corn, US food susbsidies have lower the price beynd profitablity and sustainibility. Now farmers move to the cities to look for work(just like Mexico) creating slums and more poverty.
    But they gotta find a way oout of that? Come on, if you cannot see the malicious policies and absolutely useless NGOs that come there with a mandate but not a purpose then we are at odds man.
    Haiti was the marionette dancing on the strings of international interlopers
    OK...forget MD, now your my hero...You could not have said/wrote this louder. Haiti's poverty and political turmoils did not start yesterday, it began hundreds of years ago, and these turmoils continue to hold on strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willowtears View Post
    Gods, that was somewhat insensitive, I will not argue that most of what you wrote is true, but Bob how can the poor civilians overpower the corrupt Haitian government? I mean, I know I have mention this before, poverty diminishes all kinds of morality and it's different for everyone. How can proper education be given when poverty takes on a higher toll.

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    nothing he said was true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaTeacher View Post
    i guess i'm coldhearted like bob. true that it might not be the people's fault, but nobody can rise above their problems if they don't put effort into it. the haitians revolted against france and WON! they WON! that should prove they are a resourceful people, they just need a little hope and a little push and i'm positive they can do it again.
    Did you have a problem processing what you read on your text books? I blame European imperialism on the conditions in which Haiti and (somewhat) Dominican Republic are in.

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    Isn't it CORRUPTION to blame, I think so, they receive aid but it doesn't get channeled to the right places in order to uplift the country.

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