A daft idea from the daily express (daft paper).

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I've just read the article and Lambada's comments. Clearly something has to be done in the long term with Haiti if it is to recover and move on from, not only this terrible tragedy, but the economic and social malaise that it has found itself enveloped in over the last two decades.
Perhaps this is the time to think bold thoughts and letting the Dominican Republic "run" Haiti with international aid and guidance might not be such a far fetched idea as it first sounds. It goes without saying that a close watch would have to be kept on the dispersement of funds to ensure that they did not end up in politicians pockets. I suppose the questions are "Has the DR got the right sort of people in charge to undertake such a venture" and "Would Haiti actually accept such an idea in the first place".
It is food for thought though.....
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For the Daily Express - owned by a 'porno baron' and famous for its continual headlines referring to the conspiracy theories (all rubbish) relating to the death of Princess Diana - this comes as quite a surprise. One of the things I have noticed in the British press is very lttle mention of the role of the DR.
 

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I don't necessarily agree with everything he wrote, but one thing is for sure, doing what you have always done and expecting a different outcome is the definition on insanity.

Now is an opportunity to change the long-term thinking on Haiti and move away from the handout culture, despite that being the path of most resistance.

For those of us that have lived in the DR over 10 years, we have seen a lot of positive changes in that time, but I still wouldn't let the DR Government have a leading role in the future of Haiti, too many agendas, too much "free" money on the table.
Various leading Dominican business people, that's a different story....
 
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Haitians have always had a lot of pride that they were the first black nations in the west and overthrew the French. Their pride in this has affected the way they react to help coming from the western world. They accept the help because without it they would starve, but the resentment grows larger. They is common with welfare recipients also. How to climb up the slippery slope of dependence results in a lot of anger. Social re-engineering the country would be good for Haiti and Haitians but they've got to buy in to it. Having the DR do it is a horrible idea. The DR could benefit from some social re-engineer itself.
 

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I suppose "relatively" is "relative". The DR government for all its faults is not as dire as its Haitian counterpart. But as posters have suggested, the risk of money being diverted is too high. Ergo, a daft idea.
 

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Jaysus H. ! Talk about a touchy subject. For all it's worth. I like Robert's take. Saunders is also quite correct.
For years the Haitians have quietly looked up to the DR and sort of envied it. However, for the DR to "take over" or "take on" Haiti would be a major, major issue and bring back 1822-1844 all over again..

Coulde it be? Yes. Will it be? No. However, I do think that the DR could play a very important role in the recovery of Haiti. I do not mean just selling them stuff. I mean in teaching them.

Look, when the PRD won the 1978 elections, a certain university here offered the incoming PRD (and other) legislators, a course on Roger's Rules of Order and other procedural matters. The very first to sign up was Juan de Dios Ventura (Johnny!!). Why not something similar for administration officials from Haiti...?? And so on for other government people, taking advantage of local technology and experiences.

Jus' a thought...

HB
 

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They could certainly learn how to administer things from Canada's school of civil service. I've taken several courses there. French and English in Hull Quebec, across the river from Ottawa.
 

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This earthquake will have a negative ecomomic on the DR as it is...like it or not the Dominican Republic and Haiti are joined at the hip...
 

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This earthquake will have a negative ecomomic on the DR as it is...like it or not the Dominican Republic and Haiti are joined at the hip...

Short-term, the DR medical field will be challenged because they themselves are understaffed and under-supplied.

But I think in the long run this is going to have a good economic outcome for the DR.

Right now tourism is supposedly slumping in most parts of the island.

All of those relief workers looking for some R&R-where is the nearest place for that on the island of Hispa?ola away from the devastation?

The DR, right next door. And the longer they stay the better it will be for DR tourism.
 

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only to say that this is a pity it has moved to the earthquake forum....it really wasn't about that tragedy.
 

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a dominican friend suggested today that countries all over the world divide up the haitian people and take them all in, and we just shut the country down for 50 years and let it regrow. :)
 

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a dominican friend suggested today that countries all over the world divide up the haitian people and take them all in, and we just shut the country down for 50 years and let it regrow. :)

yes this is an old saw

was going around Haiti thirty years ago when i lived there

remove the haitians

bring in 10000 Germans

in ten years let the haitians return to a country with roads, electricity, high speed trains, solar power

may be happening this time
 

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Haitians have always had a lot of pride that they were the first black nations in the west and overthrew the French. Their pride in this has affected the way they react to help coming from the western world. They accept the help because without it they would starve, but the resentment grows larger. They is common with welfare recipients also. How to climb up the slippery slope of dependence results in a lot of anger. Social re-engineering the country would be good for Haiti and Haitians but they've got to buy in to it. Having the DR do it is a horrible idea. The DR could benefit from some social re-engineer itself.

right now the US is in charge.. of the ports, the operation, the whole distribution of who gets to land etc

but i think that in the long run, Canada will take the lead

at least I hope so

for Haitis sake!!!
 

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right now the US is in charge.. of the ports, the operation, the whole distribution of who gets to land etc

but i think that in the long run, Canada will take the lead

at least I hope so

for Haitis sake!!!

Why??

But with all the bitching and moaning about how the US is doing it, I would think that Southern Command would let someone else take it. Now who wants to take over, anybody?
 

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Why Canada would want too??

But with all the bitching and moaning about how the US is doing it, I would think that Southern Command would let someone else take it. Now who wants to take over, anybody?

Please don't take this the wrong way, Would not want the US to pack up and go home. But they have been accused of trying to occupy the country(why would anyone want to) nobody liked the prioritys for landing, next they will be bitching about they did not either clean up the port fast enough or they did it wrong.

If some other country wants to take over Go Ahead. Am sure we would step aside.
 

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Canada has a longstanding relationship with Haiti. Haiti is Canada's first or second recipient of foreign aid. There is a very large Haitian community in Quebec.

And Canada does not carry all the baggage from occupation that the US does.

But for the time being, the operation is military.. supposedly under the direction of the Haitian government.. which, of course, was barely functional before the disaster.

Since the disaster in the MINUSTAH building collapse, the UN forces cannot be directing anything.

Certainly Leonel is being a very very valuable diplomat in all this.

But I am sure that right now, the US WILL not step aside.
 
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I've just read the article and Lambada's comments. Clearly something has to be done in the long term with Haiti if it is to recover and move on from, not only this terrible tragedy, but the economic and social malaise that it has found itself enveloped in over the last two decades.
Perhaps this is the time to think bold thoughts and letting the Dominican Republic "run" Haiti with international aid and guidance might not be such a far fetched idea as it first sounds. It goes without saying that a close watch would have to be kept on the dispersement of funds to ensure that they did not end up in politicians pockets. I suppose the questions are "Has the DR got the right sort of people in charge to undertake such a venture" and "Would Haiti actually accept such an idea in the first place".
It is food for thought though.....
Tropical Regards
Reidy
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Why not France or Canada and pay them the fund. Since France and Canada have plenty of empty land they can open their country and show the world how much they care about Haiti. France and Canada please send a plane and start picking up the Haitians who would like to migrate to your country. Stop being a hypocrite shows your love.
 

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Please don't take this the wrong way, Would not want the US to pack up and go home. But they have been accused of trying to occupy the country(why would anyone want to) nobody liked the prioritys for landing, next they will be bitching about they did not either clean up the port fast enough or they did it wrong.

If some other country wants to take over Go Ahead. Am sure we would step aside.

France or Canada we are waiting take over.