A Deal With The Devil

CristoRey

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85 million dollars to these Muppets with all of the problems this country has?
Are you freaking kidding me?

It appears back in December, the Ministry of the Presidency in the Dominican Republic finalized a contract with the American consulting firm Dentons Global Advisors, worth over RD$ 85 million. The agreement, spanning fourteen months, aims to address issues concerning human rights and manage reputational risks associated with the Dominican government.

José Miguel Vivanco gained international recognition during his tenure as head of Human Rights Watch (HRW) in Washington for three decades.

Vivanco’s involvement in advocating for the rights of “denationalized” descendants of Haitians in the Dominican Republic stirred controversy in 2015. He criticized the country for denying nationality rights to tens of thousands of individuals and highlighted the government’s detention and expulsion practices.

Furthermore, Vivanco has been an outspoken advocate for LGBT rights, condemning ideological battles propagated by certain sectors, particularly those associated with the evangelical church in Latin American countries. He argues that such positions undermine the rights of sexual minorities and women’s reproductive rights, emphasizing the need for policy reforms to effect meaningful change.

Give them inch and they'll take everything.
Source: Dominican Today
 
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MariaRubia

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I am against woke nonsense projects in developed countries like the US and the UK. However, in a third-world country such as DR I think the rights of the LGBT community need to be defended - there is a large gay and lesbian community in Santo Domingo who do make their presence felt in the Colonial Zone, but I do know from working in the area that they are often treated extremely badly. And as for transpeople, zero rights, zero help, zero support. I live close to the Malecon and we have a lot of trans prostitutes outside every night, but I get the impression they are all very much down on their luck.

In the same way there has been a lot of discussion about abortion, and whether it is right that all abortion is illegal, even if a woman has been raped for example.

I don't think DR1 is necessarily the place to discuss people's different views on abortion or LGBT rights, but I do think there needs to be a louder conversation about these things in Dominican society in general. So, in my view, spending a few pesos on someone who may get a discussion kickstarted is good value.
 

cavok

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There's some LGBT's here in Cabarete and nobody seems to bother them at all. On holiday weekends, quite a few LGBT's come up here from Santiago. I've never heard of any incidents anyway. From what I've seen, Dominicans in general are pretty tolerant of LGBT' persons. I think they should leave well enough alone and not try to push their woke agenda.
 

CristoRey

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And as for transpeople, zero rights, zero help, zero support. I live close to the Malecon and we have a lot of trans prostitutes outside every night, but I get the impression they are all very much down on their luck.
People who suffer from gender dysphoria need physiological treatment not affirmation. I would support this initiative as I am anti-trans, pro-women.

The "movement" seems to bring nothing but pain and destruction to every single community that embraces it. In my opinion the DR has enough problems. I hope Mr. Vivanco fails miserably and leaves the country never to return 😀
 

NanSanPedro

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People who suffer from gender dysphoria need physiological treatment not affirmation. I would support this initiative as I am anti-trans, pro-women.

The "movement" seems to bring nothing but pain and destruction to every single community that embraces it. In my opinion the DR has enough problems. I hope Mr. Vivanco fails miserably and leaves the country never to return 😀
What do you mean by physiological treatment? I would argue they're very lost souls in need of a S.
 

CristoRey

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What do you mean by physiological treatment? I would argue they're very lost souls in need of a S.
*psychological

I am currently in Jacksonville, FL using a loaner phone. Haven't gotten use to the Redneck A.I. spell checker on this phone yet...
I've no doubt most of you agree with me, you just prefer not to say it out loud.
 

chico bill

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I am against woke nonsense projects in developed countries like the US and the UK. However, in a third-world country such as DR I think the rights of the LGBT community need to be defended - there is a large gay and lesbian community in Santo Domingo who do make their presence felt in the Colonial Zone, but I do know from working in the area that they are often treated extremely badly. And as for transpeople, zero rights, zero help, zero support. I live close to the Malecon and we have a lot of trans prostitutes outside every night, but I get the impression they are all very much down on their luck.

In the same way there has been a lot of discussion about abortion, and whether it is right that all abortion is illegal, even if a woman has been raped for example.

I don't think DR1 is necessarily the place to discuss people's different views on abortion or LGBT rights, but I do think there needs to be a louder conversation about these things in Dominican society in general. So, in my view, spending a few pesos on someone who may get a discussion kickstarted is good value.
What about the transgenders, the furries and the members of NAMBLA? Don't forget the rights of the Parrot Fish too.
Don't we need to protect them too?
 

MariaRubia

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Instead of a rant about your personal views on the rights of LGBT groups, let's stick to our knitting boys and talk about the experience of those groups in the DR. There are plenty of other online forums where you can discuss your hatred for LGBT people if you'd find that an interesting way to spend your weekend.

My point is that I think they have a far far rougher time here than they do in the US or Europe. No laws to protect, the church is up against them, I hear the insults that the guys hurl at them, I see those sad sad trans hookers walking down the malecon, I can't imagine it's a nice life. Equally I think there is very little support for rape victims here, particularly those who fall pregnant as a result of being raped. Let's face it, there's very little support for anyone who is poor, outside of their family.
 

chico bill

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There are a couple transgender men (obvious ones), but likely more, working the sex trade in Sosua.
I don't mind the gays because they don't bother me (I'm too ugly and can't decorate) plus most gays have great senses of humor.
But they deserve no special recognition, nor rights - just live your lives and get on with it.

But the trannies freak me out. They claim they want acceptance, but they can't even accept their own self-biology ? And they are pushing their agenda on children, doing permanent damage mentally and physically.
Most Trannies are men wanting to become women because they were likely too weak to make it as men.

I know of one European man in Sosua (a frequent visitor to 19.76675, -70.510875) who has his occasional visits from a male-pretending-to-be-woman escort from Cabarete - and yet he still flirts with women at the bar.
I guess it is good I am getting close to the end of my years, because I don't get it.

Instead of a rant about your personal views on the rights of LGBT groups, let's stick to our knitting boys and talk about the experience of those groups in the DR. There are plenty of other online forums where you can discuss your hatred for LGBT people if you'd find that an interesting way to spend your weekend.

My point is that I think they have a far far rougher time here than they do in the US or Europe. No laws to protect, the church is up against them, I hear the insults that the guys hurl at them, I see those sad sad trans hookers walking down the malecon, I can't imagine it's a nice life. Equally I think there is very little support for rape victims here, particularly those who fall pregnant as a result of being raped. Let's face it, there's very little support for anyone who is poor, outside of their family.

Sorry Maria - but some people don't want to shed tears for the "everyone-is-a-victim" groups in DR.

If they are having a rough time in DR they won't be helped by a majority Gringo Forum.
We don't need laws for them because of the lifestyle they choose (it would be just one more law ignored anyway) and frankly most of us are just trying to survive our own day-today life issues without carrying some faux sexual baggage for "sad trans-hookers" we don't even know on the Malecon in Santo Domingo.
If that sounds cold-hearted to you, sorry it is consistent with my philosophy of helping only those you personally know. (You will find plenty of them in your own sphere if you look).

My pronouns are He, Ha, Victim
 

CristoRey

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There are plenty of other online forums where you can discuss your hatred for LGBT people if you'd find that an interesting way to spend your weekend.
Thank you but no thank you.
(as sad violin plays in the background)
I've much better things to do with my time 😅😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

Garyexpat

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I am against woke nonsense projects in developed countries like the US and the UK. However, in a third-world country such as DR I think the rights of the LGBT community need to be defended - there is a large gay and lesbian community in Santo Domingo who do make their presence felt in the Colonial Zone, but I do know from working in the area that they are often treated extremely badly. And as for transpeople, zero rights, zero help, zero support. I live close to the Malecon and we have a lot of trans prostitutes outside every night, but I get the impression they are all very much down on their luck.

In the same way there has been a lot of discussion about abortion, and whether it is right that all abortion is illegal, even if a woman has been raped for example.

I don't think DR1 is necessarily the place to discuss people's different views on abortion or LGBT rights, but I do think there needs to be a louder conversation about these things in Dominican society in general. So, in my view, spending a few pesos on someone who may get a discussion kickstarted is good value.
I think these are issues for Dominicans to decide not outside, globalist lib hacks pushing their agenda on the Dominican population.
 

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I think these are issues for Dominicans to decide not outside, globalist lib hacks pushing their agenda on the Dominican population.

From what I’ve seen over many years, Dominicans are “live and let live”. Even out in our campo I often see rather flamboyant men, one even has a roadside fruit/vegetable stand in semi-drag, and no one bats an eye. On Palenque beach I’ve seen several walking around, and the only reaction I’ve ever seen, if any, is amusement (a smile, not laughter). “You don’t bother me, I don’t bother you”.
 

Garyexpat

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From what I’ve seen over many years, Dominicans are “live and let live”. Even out in our campo I often see rather flamboyant men, one even has a roadside fruit/vegetable stand in semi-drag, and no one bats an eye. On Palenque beach I’ve seen several walking around, and the only reaction I’ve ever seen, if any, is amusement (a smile, not laughter). “You don’t bother me, I don’t bother you”.
Wow, Playa Palanque, I haven't been there in some years. I agree with your assessment on the live and let live attitude of most Dominicans and really hope that outsiders, including NGO's don't come in and try to push their agendas.
 
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