mariposa said:
I was just sitting here reading all these statistics and reason why A-Rod or Manny is best, and made a decision:
I proclaim them both to be great :classic:
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A-Rod Vs. Manny Ramirez
I was just sitting here reading all these statistics and reason why A-Rod or Manny is best, and made a decision:
I proclaim them both to be great :classic:
Hey...
After watching A-Rod throw that first punch and saying all those really bad words...(I can read lips!)...I'm starting to respect him...well, just a little...and all this time I thought he was 'medio mariquita'...!!!
Oh, boy...I never thought I would see him fight like that!!!
I'm SOOOOO glad the Sox won the last two games, especially Saturday night...that was a great victory!!!
GO SOX!!!
After watching A-Rod throw that first punch and saying all those really bad words...(I can read lips!)...I'm starting to respect him...well, just a little...and all this time I thought he was 'medio mariquita'...!!!
Oh, boy...I never thought I would see him fight like that!!!
I'm SOOOOO glad the Sox won the last two games, especially Saturday night...that was a great victory!!!
GO SOX!!!
Ahh Jeez! Do I have to explain it again?NY1 said:
There have been many players from Latin Countries that have been considered "Classy"
Luis Aparichio
Camilo Pascual
Bert Campenaris
Tony Oliva
Rod Carew
Mike Cuellar
Felipe Alou
the list goes on and on.
Roberto Clemente was a victim of racism in his early years(The team insisting on calling him Bobby and such) but I never heard anyone say that he had no class.
Bert Campaneris was WHAT?
So Tony has named seven players, and four are cubanos - no surprises there. But Bert Campaneris?
Contestant #1: I take 'Baseball Trivia' for 300.
Alex Trebek: This Oakland A's shortstop once threw a bat at the opposing pitcher during a playoff game.
Contestant #1: Who is Campy.
After Tony's post, I don't know what 'class' is.
If we were talking basketball, he would say that the good Doc, Dr. J., had class. But didn't he punch Larry Legend in the face while the Round Mound of rebound was holding Bird from behind?
And how come only the great ones are given the tag?
Was Dimaggio classy, or was he just a dumb and quiet player?
If Barry Bonds doesn't speak to the media, you people call him an arrogant SOB. But Vlad doesn't speak to the media; Ichiro doesn't speak to the media. Pete Rose ALWAYS spoke to the media, but he gambled, so he's not considered 'classy.' WTF.
I'm outta here - off to South Ranches to find the queen of my nights, whose b-day I didn't forget, but whose gift I'm personally delivering.
-Joseito
So Tony has named seven players, and four are cubanos - no surprises there. But Bert Campaneris?
Contestant #1: I take 'Baseball Trivia' for 300.
Alex Trebek: This Oakland A's shortstop once threw a bat at the opposing pitcher during a playoff game.
Contestant #1: Who is Campy.
After Tony's post, I don't know what 'class' is.
If we were talking basketball, he would say that the good Doc, Dr. J., had class. But didn't he punch Larry Legend in the face while the Round Mound of rebound was holding Bird from behind?
And how come only the great ones are given the tag?
Was Dimaggio classy, or was he just a dumb and quiet player?
If Barry Bonds doesn't speak to the media, you people call him an arrogant SOB. But Vlad doesn't speak to the media; Ichiro doesn't speak to the media. Pete Rose ALWAYS spoke to the media, but he gambled, so he's not considered 'classy.' WTF.
I'm outta here - off to South Ranches to find the queen of my nights, whose b-day I didn't forget, but whose gift I'm personally delivering.
-Joseito
A-Rod or Manny?
This one's pretty easy. It's A-Rod.
Both are great, in the top 5 of active hitters. I say they are equally deadly hitters.
In the field, is there even a comparison? A-Rod was great at SS, now at 3B. Manny struggles in LF.
Clubhouse - both serve their teams well, and are likeable by their teammates. A-Rod gets much more media coverage however.
A-Rod's a Yankee, Manny's Red Sox. Who do you think the winner is and will be? But keep hope alive, Red Sox fans. No such thing as a curse, huh?
A-Rod's NOW a Yankee for life. He got sucker-punched by Varitek, and held his ground in the scrum. I wish next time they throw at him, he throws his bat at the mound in retaliation. Eye for an eye.
When A-Rod came off the field after, his teammates lined up and welcomed him as a Yankee. He'll win his 1st World Series in October. The Red Sox....how many years and counting.....?????
Meanwhile, the Red Sox won their version of the World Series in....July...again.
This one's pretty easy. It's A-Rod.
Both are great, in the top 5 of active hitters. I say they are equally deadly hitters.
In the field, is there even a comparison? A-Rod was great at SS, now at 3B. Manny struggles in LF.
Clubhouse - both serve their teams well, and are likeable by their teammates. A-Rod gets much more media coverage however.
A-Rod's a Yankee, Manny's Red Sox. Who do you think the winner is and will be? But keep hope alive, Red Sox fans. No such thing as a curse, huh?
A-Rod's NOW a Yankee for life. He got sucker-punched by Varitek, and held his ground in the scrum. I wish next time they throw at him, he throws his bat at the mound in retaliation. Eye for an eye.
When A-Rod came off the field after, his teammates lined up and welcomed him as a Yankee. He'll win his 1st World Series in October. The Red Sox....how many years and counting.....?????
Meanwhile, the Red Sox won their version of the World Series in....July...again.
toneloc24 said:
I hate the Yankees, but I love ARod. However, how was that a sucker punch? ARod, told Varitek to "bring it on." Was it Varitek's fault that ARod didn't expect the Boston catcher to take him up on his offer? Your Yankee rose-colored glasses have fogged up again.
If you were looking at the situation, A-Rod was screaming to the pitcher, not Varitek. A-Rod was yelling "F--- you's" at the pitcher (who of course was not coming anywhere near A-Rod). Varitek stepped in front of A-Rod down the 1st base line and mushed A-Rod in the face, while he was wearing a mask. A-Rod then tried to defend himself (again, remember they just threw at him...again). Now I ask you, is there a lie anywhere in what I just stated?
I understand Varitek's role is to protect the pitcher, but he threw the 1st blow, not matter what A-Rod was screaming. Varitek brought it to blows, not A-Rod.
Man to a man, the Red Sox are punks. They fight out of complete frustration, while the Yankees "just win baby." In a year or two, Pedro, Manny, and Nomar will all be elsewhere, Ortiz probably as well. One of them (Pedro) may end up with the Yankees to win a World Series. Remember Roger Clemens!!!! He'll go into the Hall of Fame as a Yankees.
Now I'm putting my rose-tinted Yankees shades back on, and ....what do I see???? Red Sox (damn perennial losers) in the rear-view again. And I look at the road ahead, what do I see.....Randy Johnson and another World Series for the Yankees.
In closing, I'll say this. The Red Sox had the opportunity to get A-Rod, and remember that he wanted to go there. They chose not to take him, then blame him for going to the Yankees. 26 World Series titles should tell you, you don't need to ask the Yankees twice. They make the deals that NEED to be done. I hate that Soriano's gone, but you get A-Rod. The Red Sox are just bitter for having a perennial loser's mentality. The Yankees do what needs to be done to win, bottom line. Hate them for it, or respect them for understanding the game.
I understand Varitek's role is to protect the pitcher, but he threw the 1st blow, not matter what A-Rod was screaming. Varitek brought it to blows, not A-Rod.
Man to a man, the Red Sox are punks. They fight out of complete frustration, while the Yankees "just win baby." In a year or two, Pedro, Manny, and Nomar will all be elsewhere, Ortiz probably as well. One of them (Pedro) may end up with the Yankees to win a World Series. Remember Roger Clemens!!!! He'll go into the Hall of Fame as a Yankees.
Now I'm putting my rose-tinted Yankees shades back on, and ....what do I see???? Red Sox (damn perennial losers) in the rear-view again. And I look at the road ahead, what do I see.....Randy Johnson and another World Series for the Yankees.
In closing, I'll say this. The Red Sox had the opportunity to get A-Rod, and remember that he wanted to go there. They chose not to take him, then blame him for going to the Yankees. 26 World Series titles should tell you, you don't need to ask the Yankees twice. They make the deals that NEED to be done. I hate that Soriano's gone, but you get A-Rod. The Red Sox are just bitter for having a perennial loser's mentality. The Yankees do what needs to be done to win, bottom line. Hate them for it, or respect them for understanding the game.
NY1 said:
The MLB Player Association did not accept the term$ under which A-Rod was to become a Red Sox.
Hey, Red Sox Nation, I'm rooting for you. It's more fun going for the underdog. And more thinking involved.
Bumper sticker seen around Roxbury, MA, circa 1976: I love New York, it's the Yankees that I hate.
Texas humor: What's the difference between a Yankee and a damn Yankee?
Answer: Damn Yankee stays.
-Joseito
A former Yankee fan, but then my glial multiplied
Hey, Red Sox Nation, I'm rooting for you. It's more fun going for the underdog. And more thinking involved.
Bumper sticker seen around Roxbury, MA, circa 1976: I love New York, it's the Yankees that I hate.
Texas humor: What's the difference between a Yankee and a damn Yankee?
Answer: Damn Yankee stays.
-Joseito
A former Yankee fan, but then my glial multiplied
toneloc24 said:
Still have the glasses on I see.
As you said, Varitek's job is to protect his pitcher, which is what he did when he got in front of ARod. You can watch the replay with any angle you wish, and clearly see that ARod motions to Varitek to bring it on. If ARod, didn't mean to back-up his invitation, then he shouldn't be inviting.
WTF???? Please take off your distorted Mets sunglasses. Those Canal street knock-offs aren't really clear.
Your link supports my argument. A-Rod's hands are down, Varitek's are in A-Rod's face. It's quite apparent that A-Rod's reacting, by trying to pulling Varitek's hands down. What are you looking at?
And again, A-Rod was talking to the pitcher, not Varitek. It was a cheap shot, a sucker punch. And the b---- that Varitek was, he kept his mask on.
Your link supports my argument. A-Rod's hands are down, Varitek's are in A-Rod's face. It's quite apparent that A-Rod's reacting, by trying to pulling Varitek's hands down. What are you looking at?
And again, A-Rod was talking to the pitcher, not Varitek. It was a cheap shot, a sucker punch. And the b---- that Varitek was, he kept his mask on.
NY1 said:Still have the glasses on I see.
As you said, Varitek's job is to protect his pitcher, which is what he did when he got in front of ARod. You can watch the replay with any angle you wish, and clearly see that ARod motions to Varitek to bring it on. If ARod, didn't mean to back-up his invitation, then he shouldn't be inviting.
A-Rod vs. Manny: Who would win?
Brought to you by the same folks who brought you the "Thrilla in Manila" and the "Rumble in the Jungle," here it is:
"The Fight for the W. Heights"
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And wearing Yaz-red trunks: Tougher than Superman's kneecap, bad boy with a make-the-girls-purr careless attitude, Dominican gladiator: Manyyyy Rrrrram?rezzzz......Rrrrram?rezzzz.
Will A-Rod use his superior reach to keep Manny at bay? Or would Manny come out brawling, a la Smoking Joe?
Does A-Rod have a glass jaw? Does Manny pack a punch?
Can A-Rod stay away and conserve energy, then float like a butterfly and go for the kill when Manny tires out?
Brought to you by the same folks who brought you the "Thrilla in Manila" and the "Rumble in the Jungle," here it is:
"The Fight for the W. Heights"
In the pinstripe corner: Green-eyed, polished and Adonis-like, boy-next-door-bring-home-to-mama, American idol: Alex Rodrrrrrr?guez......Rrrrodrrrrrrr?guez.
And wearing Yaz-red trunks: Tougher than Superman's kneecap, bad boy with a make-the-girls-purr careless attitude, Dominican gladiator: Manyyyy Rrrrram?rezzzz......Rrrrram?rezzzz.
Will A-Rod use his superior reach to keep Manny at bay? Or would Manny come out brawling, a la Smoking Joe?
Does A-Rod have a glass jaw? Does Manny pack a punch?
Can A-Rod stay away and conserve energy, then float like a butterfly and go for the kill when Manny tires out?
Thick_Neck-
Funny enough, A-Rod apparently doesn't have a glass jaw. Even with Varitek's sucker-snuff, he didn't go down. Never touched the ground. He even managed to show me he had some fire in him.
Changed my opinion of who I used to consider baseball's version of Oscar de la Hoya. He actually showed he has backbone.
That being said, Manny would probably him in a fight.
Funny enough, A-Rod apparently doesn't have a glass jaw. Even with Varitek's sucker-snuff, he didn't go down. Never touched the ground. He even managed to show me he had some fire in him.
Changed my opinion of who I used to consider baseball's version of Oscar de la Hoya. He actually showed he has backbone.
That being said, Manny would probably him in a fight.
You need to understand the definition of sucker punch, and although I am a Mets fan, ARod is a fellow Dominican and that trumps everything.
He asked for it, and was shocked that he got decked. That wasn't a sucker punch, that was underestimation.
Just like Zimmer, if you're going to go to the other side of the field looking for a fight, don't complain when Pedro throws you to the ground.
As for ARod, unlike yourself, he never called it a cheap shot, rather just Red Sox/Yankees baseball. That I respect, not the excuses.
He asked for it, and was shocked that he got decked. That wasn't a sucker punch, that was underestimation.
Just like Zimmer, if you're going to go to the other side of the field looking for a fight, don't complain when Pedro throws you to the ground.
As for ARod, unlike yourself, he never called it a cheap shot, rather just Red Sox/Yankees baseball. That I respect, not the excuses.
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Sucker punch?
I don't know if it's in the dictionary, but if you're (ARod) baiting someone (Varitek) by telling him "let's go", I'm not sure how you could define the first "punch" as a sucker punch.
That's flat out wrong.
As per classy Latin players, my hunch is that the label was probably more applicable if the player(s) spoke english. Class, or the lack thereof, can be something worn or demonstrated (in baseball anyway), but without the language it's less likely to come to the surface - for the fan to see anyway.
If you've spent any time on the island you'd know that machismo is not only a way of life, it's highlighted on ESPN every night for the wishful youth to see and mimic.
Sammy's HR bounce, his two fingered heart tap to his grandma are not classless, but they are a tad macho. I'm fine with it. I'm not sure a scientific exploration is necessary, but (for the most part) the Dominicans are full of the showboating, certainly more so than your typical American ballplayer. As long as it isn't showing up the other team (i.e. football's pathetic endzone fiestas) I find no fault in it.
That's not put out there to draw a line in the sand, it's right in front of our eyes, that's my take on it.
I think Vlad Guerrero is an interesting example, he appears to be a very classy ballplayer in every phase of the game, but he doesn't speak a lick of english. I've never heard him referred to as classy, and that probably has everything to do with the language barrier.
One thing is for sure, without Dominicans, MLB wouldn't offer nearly the excitement and pleasure for me. I love the Sox and I love being an underdog. I also love having the Yankees as our nemisis. Can you imagine being a Royals or Rangers fan? That's worse than warm Presidente, it may make you sick, but at least you'll get high.
I don't know if it's in the dictionary, but if you're (ARod) baiting someone (Varitek) by telling him "let's go", I'm not sure how you could define the first "punch" as a sucker punch.
That's flat out wrong.
As per classy Latin players, my hunch is that the label was probably more applicable if the player(s) spoke english. Class, or the lack thereof, can be something worn or demonstrated (in baseball anyway), but without the language it's less likely to come to the surface - for the fan to see anyway.
If you've spent any time on the island you'd know that machismo is not only a way of life, it's highlighted on ESPN every night for the wishful youth to see and mimic.
Sammy's HR bounce, his two fingered heart tap to his grandma are not classless, but they are a tad macho. I'm fine with it. I'm not sure a scientific exploration is necessary, but (for the most part) the Dominicans are full of the showboating, certainly more so than your typical American ballplayer. As long as it isn't showing up the other team (i.e. football's pathetic endzone fiestas) I find no fault in it.
That's not put out there to draw a line in the sand, it's right in front of our eyes, that's my take on it.
I think Vlad Guerrero is an interesting example, he appears to be a very classy ballplayer in every phase of the game, but he doesn't speak a lick of english. I've never heard him referred to as classy, and that probably has everything to do with the language barrier.
One thing is for sure, without Dominicans, MLB wouldn't offer nearly the excitement and pleasure for me. I love the Sox and I love being an underdog. I also love having the Yankees as our nemisis. Can you imagine being a Royals or Rangers fan? That's worse than warm Presidente, it may make you sick, but at least you'll get high.
Macho Dominican Sports figures
Are any of these so called "MAcho" Dominicans involved in any contact sports such as NFL Football, Hockey, Boxing (Other than the poor girl Laila Ali is going to pound Friday night) or even "Non Contact Contact sports such as Basketball
Just curious, really don't know
Cleef said:
Are any of these so called "MAcho" Dominicans involved in any contact sports such as NFL Football, Hockey, Boxing (Other than the poor girl Laila Ali is going to pound Friday night) or even "Non Contact Contact sports such as Basketball
Just curious, really don't know
There was no real punch that I saw. First of all, I thought the pitch was intentional. Second of all, A-Rod, realizing that it WAS intentional had every right to curse at Arroyo and should have charged the mound. I say this because he has been hit alot this year and I think the word around the league is that he is a little soft. Charging the mound would have done wonders for his image. Third of all, Varitek properly got in between A-Rod to protect his pitcher. He ( Varitek) then told A-Rod to get the phuck to first base. That was a challenge to A-Rods manhood and A-Rod properly responded by saying, "come on" and motioning to Varitek and the rest is history. I don't think there were any "sucker punches" or "cheap shots". Nor do I think anyone "overreacted". It was just two men settling things like men somethimes do. It was a fight. Fights happen. It is over and done with. I respect both A-Rod and Varitek for the way they handled themselves.
Larry
Larry
A-Rod vs. Manny, who would win the fight? I think Manny. A-Rod is not a street guy and in this match-up, that's where it begins and thats where it ends. Perfect example of this is the fight with Varitek. A-Rod yelled "come on!" and stuck his face out like a punching bag, then was surprised when Varitek came at him. If he knew how to fight, he would have either gotten nose to nose with Varitek thereby taking a more agressive posture or he would have pulled Varitek's mask off and started swinging ( the correct thing to do). Never invite the other guy to make the first move. If you do, you are really hoping that he dosen't. Hit first and hit hard.
Larry
Larry