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A-Rod Vs. Manny Ramirez
I prefer...
Manny Ram?rez...he seems more genuine than A-Rod (although he IS cuter!)...
For some reason I get a feeling that A-Rod somehow would rather forget he's Dominican...
Manny on the other hand is PROUD...says and does what he feels...and to me he PLAYS much better than A-Rod...
Go Sox!
Manny Ram?rez...he seems more genuine than A-Rod (although he IS cuter!)...
For some reason I get a feeling that A-Rod somehow would rather forget he's Dominican...
Manny on the other hand is PROUD...says and does what he feels...and to me he PLAYS much better than A-Rod...
Go Sox!
Apples and oranges, but...
For us baseball fans, it is much easier to compare players at similar positions: infielders vs. infielders, and so on.
But anyway, here IT is: The five tools used by scouts:
Power: They are both capable of hitting 40+ HRs. Edge: Even
Average: They both have won batting titles, but Manny is more consistent with high averages. Edge: Manny
Speed: A-Rod has almost 200 stolen bases; Manny has only 32.
Defense: No contest. A-Rod by far; as an outfielder, Manny is mediocre at best. This is not an opinion, you can look it up.
Arm: No contest. A-Rod by really mucho (According to a CNN report, the University of Miami contemplated offering A-Rod a scholarship with the promise to quaterback the 'Canes.)
So A-Rod edges Manny, but, BUT despite all his lapses in the outfield and the basepath, I'll take Manny for one important reason: situational hitting.
(If golo were here, he would say that "Manny is a Dom-York chopo and his English is poor," and that "A-Rod has better taste in clothes." Tony Clich? would say that neither Manny nor A-Rod can compare to Raffy Palmeiro, and that "ALL Dominicans are chopos")
Hey, A.J., Las Aguilas son Las Aguilas!
-The Kid
For us baseball fans, it is much easier to compare players at similar positions: infielders vs. infielders, and so on.
But anyway, here IT is: The five tools used by scouts:
Power: They are both capable of hitting 40+ HRs. Edge: Even
Average: They both have won batting titles, but Manny is more consistent with high averages. Edge: Manny
Speed: A-Rod has almost 200 stolen bases; Manny has only 32.
Defense: No contest. A-Rod by far; as an outfielder, Manny is mediocre at best. This is not an opinion, you can look it up.
Arm: No contest. A-Rod by really mucho (According to a CNN report, the University of Miami contemplated offering A-Rod a scholarship with the promise to quaterback the 'Canes.)
So A-Rod edges Manny, but, BUT despite all his lapses in the outfield and the basepath, I'll take Manny for one important reason: situational hitting.
(If golo were here, he would say that "Manny is a Dom-York chopo and his English is poor," and that "A-Rod has better taste in clothes." Tony Clich? would say that neither Manny nor A-Rod can compare to Raffy Palmeiro, and that "ALL Dominicans are chopos")
Hey, A.J., Las Aguilas son Las Aguilas!
-The Kid
Manny vs. A-Rod
Hi!!
MANNY!!!!! Love that man.. Even when he's being difficult, I love him.
He makes me laugh, he's SO cute, and OH, he can hit too!!
I just watched a clip from the Home Run Derby where they had him mic'd, and I laughed so hard.. And I love watching him, Pedro and Manny together in the dugout.. So, Manny all the way for me!!
Pam
Hi!!
MANNY!!!!! Love that man.. Even when he's being difficult, I love him.
He makes me laugh, he's SO cute, and OH, he can hit too!!
I just watched a clip from the Home Run Derby where they had him mic'd, and I laughed so hard.. And I love watching him, Pedro and Manny together in the dugout.. So, Manny all the way for me!!
Pam
Joseito, I agree with everything you said including the situational hitting category but I would take A-Rod over Manny because of his desire to win. This is an area where Manny is unfortunately lacking.
Trust me, I am not picking A-Rod because I am a Yankee fan either so don't even go there. I have praised Manny's hitting before. He is the best situational hitter, best breaking ball hitter and best 2 strike hitter in the game. He is a hitting savant.
Larry
Trust me, I am not picking A-Rod because I am a Yankee fan either so don't even go there. I have praised Manny's hitting before. He is the best situational hitter, best breaking ball hitter and best 2 strike hitter in the game. He is a hitting savant.
Larry
They are both are phenomenal potential Hall of Famers but I will take A-Rod any day based on Manny’s ghetto attitude. Remember last year in the Yankees-Redsox playoff game when Manny started jumping around and cursing after a pitch that was just a little high and inside and not even close to hitting him.
COmparing Manny to A.Rod is a joke. Manny is a hitter. AROD is the best player in Baseball!thick_neck said:
I don't know Manny personally but Alex is a fine upstanding "dude". Definatly not a "Chopo". I can go on and on about how he gives back to the community.
If he was to retire right now AROD would be a first ballot inductee into the Hall of fame. Manny? Talk to me in 6-9 years.
BTW I am a big Palmeiro fan but AROD is a better player hands down. At least Raffy gets to hold on to the Title of all-time Latin Homerun king for a little while.
Keep it real.
Bill Clinton has been in the Dominican more in the past few months than ARod and Manny (combined) in the last decade.
How about a real Dominican, Vlad Guerrero.
He, - more so than either Planet Manny or A-RodInc., typifies to me, a Dominican baseball player. He's the Jerry West of the Dominican Baseball Branding. He swings at everything and kills most of it. No batting gloves, no armbands, no elbow pads, no english, and not really much of a clue. He just hacks!
This is a guy, who at 28, still lives with his mom - how much more Dominican can you get?
I recently had the pleasure of seeing him (pre-game) take batting practice and it was as funny as it was impressive. He hit two balls that bounced in the dirt before the plate during his session (not out of the ordinary - "they" say).
He literally will swing at anything. I think he starts his swing in the dugout.
His first time facing a knuckleballer that night, he struck out on just a few pitches and looked horrible. Next time up he hits a 410 foot moonshot for a HR.
Just on a quick count (unofficial off ESPN) I come up with 90 players from the DR, 25 or so hailing from the capital. In one word: RIDICULOUS!
Is there any equal? A place in the world that can match that type of concentrated talent, in any sport.
Word is born. :speechles
(And be careful, if it's sports related and not about Robert's beloved Crickit and Futbol, then it will be tea-time for the thread and it will get tossed into the barrel full of monkeys. Jolly good mate!)
Bill Clinton has been in the Dominican more in the past few months than ARod and Manny (combined) in the last decade.
How about a real Dominican, Vlad Guerrero.
He, - more so than either Planet Manny or A-RodInc., typifies to me, a Dominican baseball player. He's the Jerry West of the Dominican Baseball Branding. He swings at everything and kills most of it. No batting gloves, no armbands, no elbow pads, no english, and not really much of a clue. He just hacks!
This is a guy, who at 28, still lives with his mom - how much more Dominican can you get?
I recently had the pleasure of seeing him (pre-game) take batting practice and it was as funny as it was impressive. He hit two balls that bounced in the dirt before the plate during his session (not out of the ordinary - "they" say).
He literally will swing at anything. I think he starts his swing in the dugout.
His first time facing a knuckleballer that night, he struck out on just a few pitches and looked horrible. Next time up he hits a 410 foot moonshot for a HR.
Just on a quick count (unofficial off ESPN) I come up with 90 players from the DR, 25 or so hailing from the capital. In one word: RIDICULOUS!
Is there any equal? A place in the world that can match that type of concentrated talent, in any sport.
Word is born. :speechles
(And be careful, if it's sports related and not about Robert's beloved Crickit and Futbol, then it will be tea-time for the thread and it will get tossed into the barrel full of monkeys. Jolly good mate!)
Tony C said:
Yeah for a while. A-Rod will eventually pass him. A-Rod will play until he is 40ish because of his love of the game. Manny wil leave earlier to be a big fat drunk millionare couch potato.
Twenty years from now, at least 5 out of the top 10 all time home run leaders will be latin players.
Larry
All-time Latin HR champ...
Larry,
What Tony is really saying is that Sosa, who leads Raffy and all other Latinos in HRs, is not Latin; he has said it before. It's a safe way to be anti-Dominican.
(Vlad, Soriano and Pujols are really good, but the question was on who you prefer: Manny or A-Rod.)
Larry,
What Tony is really saying is that Sosa, who leads Raffy and all other Latinos in HRs, is not Latin; he has said it before. It's a safe way to be anti-Dominican.
(Vlad, Soriano and Pujols are really good, but the question was on who you prefer: Manny or A-Rod.)
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Cleef said:Bill Clinton has been in the Dominican more in the past few months than ARod and Manny (combined) in the last decade.
How about a real Dominican, Vlad Guerrero.
He, - more so than either Planet Manny or A-RodInc., typifies to me, a Dominican baseball player. He's the Jerry West of the Dominican Baseball Branding. He swings at everything and kills most of it. No batting gloves, no armbands, no elbow pads, no english, and not really much of a clue. He just hacks!
This is a guy, who at 28, still lives with his mom - how much more Dominican can you get?
I recently had the pleasure of seeing him (pre-game) take batting practice and it was as funny as it was impressive. He hit two balls that bounced in the dirt before the plate during his session (not out of the ordinary - "they" say).
He literally will swing at anything. I think he starts his swing in the dugout.
His first time facing a knuckleballer that night, he struck out on just a few pitches and looked horrible. Next time up he hits a 410 foot moonshot for a HR.
Just on a quick count (unofficial off ESPN) I come up with 90 players from the DR, 25 or so hailing from the capital. In one word: RIDICULOUS!
Is there any equal? A place in the world that can match that type of concentrated talent, in any sport.
Word is born. :speechles
(And be careful, if it's sports related and not about Robert's beloved Crickit and Futbol, then it will be tea-time for the thread and it will get tossed into the barrel full of monkeys. Jolly good mate!)
Totally agreed, Vladimir Guerrero is the greatest...and really, how about that arm??? He can bullet them from right field to home, and be dead on target nearly every time. In baseball, he seems to be without flaw.
Back to the original question, I don't prefer either or. They are both awesome players and make all Dominicans proud.
I don't really agree with MQ's comment about Alex wanting to forget the DR, he talks about how grateful he is to the country all the time. The DR brought baseball into his life, and for that, he's always said he is eternally grateful. That, along with the comments that if there were a World Baseball Tournament, he would like to play for the DR, shows his pride and connection.
You know, I completely forgot about Sosa! I am an American League guy and Sammy slipped my mind. Anyway, I know what the question was and I have always preferred A-Rod to Manny.
Assume you are a GM and have to completely build a team from scratch. You are given the choice of A-Rod or Manny to be build your team around. Anyone who says they would pick Manny does not know baseball. Period.
As a long time follower of sports in general and baseball in particular, I look more deeply into the actual person and the image they project while I evaluate them as a "sports figure" ( in 1970, they were "athletes", today they are "sports figures"). As far as I am concerned, if a sports figure is making 20 million dollars per year, he has to do a heck of a lot more than hit a ball 400 feet or win 20 games. He has to carry himself with dignity and class. He has to aviod bad press ( Kobe Bryant). He has to be philantropic and be active in his community. He has to go out of his way to be a positive, visable role model for children. If you are doing all of these things, you are earning your paycheck. I see A-Rod as being way ahead of Manny in all of these areas.
Larry
Assume you are a GM and have to completely build a team from scratch. You are given the choice of A-Rod or Manny to be build your team around. Anyone who says they would pick Manny does not know baseball. Period.
As a long time follower of sports in general and baseball in particular, I look more deeply into the actual person and the image they project while I evaluate them as a "sports figure" ( in 1970, they were "athletes", today they are "sports figures"). As far as I am concerned, if a sports figure is making 20 million dollars per year, he has to do a heck of a lot more than hit a ball 400 feet or win 20 games. He has to carry himself with dignity and class. He has to aviod bad press ( Kobe Bryant). He has to be philantropic and be active in his community. He has to go out of his way to be a positive, visable role model for children. If you are doing all of these things, you are earning your paycheck. I see A-Rod as being way ahead of Manny in all of these areas.
Larry
It's not even worth comparing.
Manny is an amazing hitter, one of the best our generation has seen. He's so fundamentally sound with the bat; stance, hands, head, hips, everything.
He's a hitting demonstration video every time he comes to bat.
However, ARod is extremely talented in all phases of the game and is 200x the baseball player - and teammate.
Manny not only could care less about wins and losses, he quite honestly couldn't tell you how his team has done in the past week. He'd sincerely have to think very hard about it, then ask you to repeat the question.
He just doesn't care about anything. So the comparison really isn't fair.
If you brought both to the circus, Manny would be standing in front of the funny mirrors making contorted faces .
ARod would be selling tickets and making sure you had a good time.
Manny is an amazing hitter, one of the best our generation has seen. He's so fundamentally sound with the bat; stance, hands, head, hips, everything.
He's a hitting demonstration video every time he comes to bat.
However, ARod is extremely talented in all phases of the game and is 200x the baseball player - and teammate.
Manny not only could care less about wins and losses, he quite honestly couldn't tell you how his team has done in the past week. He'd sincerely have to think very hard about it, then ask you to repeat the question.
He just doesn't care about anything. So the comparison really isn't fair.
If you brought both to the circus, Manny would be standing in front of the funny mirrors making contorted faces
. ARod would be selling tickets and making sure you had a good time.
Class, huh?
Have you noticed that the word 'class' is always attached to players who lack Spanish accents? With a few exceptions, that is.
PRican great Roberto Clemente was called "classy" after his death; Tony P?rez and Tony Pe?a after their playing days were over; and PRican phenom Carlos Beltr?n was called 'classy' by the Houston press after he hit a pair of HRs last week. But what if he had struck out three times, and with the bases loaded?
Rarely has the word 'class' been associated with Latin players while they were active.
Beginning with Ju?n Marichal, and continuing with Manny, Dominican ballplayers have always been called "hot dogs" by the press, but never "classy."
Okay, Tony Clich?, you can chime in now.
Go Reds!!
Have you noticed that the word 'class' is always attached to players who lack Spanish accents? With a few exceptions, that is.
PRican great Roberto Clemente was called "classy" after his death; Tony P?rez and Tony Pe?a after their playing days were over; and PRican phenom Carlos Beltr?n was called 'classy' by the Houston press after he hit a pair of HRs last week. But what if he had struck out three times, and with the bases loaded?
Rarely has the word 'class' been associated with Latin players while they were active.
Beginning with Ju?n Marichal, and continuing with Manny, Dominican ballplayers have always been called "hot dogs" by the press, but never "classy."
Okay, Tony Clich?, you can chime in now.
Go Reds!!
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Joseito, there are plenty of white and black American players who get slammed by the press for one reason or another. For either being selfish, difficult to get along with, premadonnas or what have you. Let's face it, a lot of latin ballplayers are "flashy". They like to admire their home runs ( Soriano, Ruben Sierra, Sosa, the list goes on). And that stupid way or blowing kisses up to the sky that so many latin players like to do.... what the hell is that anyway? Twenty years ago, it was a guarantee that if you did something like that you were getting drilled your next time up. The last couple of years, when Soriano was on the Yankees, Joe Torre and staff had to sit him down several times to tell him to stop admiring his home runs. Jeter, who hit behind him, kept getting drilled beacuse Soriano was pissing the pitchers off. He didn't seem to understand that what he was doing was "flashy" and "disrespectful". He even got drilled right in the center of the back in the 9th inning of a playoff game against Anaheim because he had hit a home run in his previous at bat and blew kisses to the crowd during his curtain call.
The press labels players and whatever term they may stick on you early in your career usually lasts. Guys who work hard and go about their buisness in a quiet and professional manner are labeled as "classy". Guys who play the game in a flashy way are considered "hot dogs". That is just the way it is. You can whine that they are being "rasists against Dominicans" but that just isn't true. Actually, it's getting really weak that you continue to inject the same accusations into every topic you can. Drop the "victum" mode and live a little. It must really suck living life on that crutch.
Larry
The press labels players and whatever term they may stick on you early in your career usually lasts. Guys who work hard and go about their buisness in a quiet and professional manner are labeled as "classy". Guys who play the game in a flashy way are considered "hot dogs". That is just the way it is. You can whine that they are being "rasists against Dominicans" but that just isn't true. Actually, it's getting really weak that you continue to inject the same accusations into every topic you can. Drop the "victum" mode and live a little. It must really suck living life on that crutch.
Larry
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They are totally different!
There is a reason why many hispanic ball players are not called "classy". We can go back to the days of the Alou brother(Felipe, Mateo and Jesus), "Marty" and Felipe were, somewhat, classy but Jesus was a "hot dog" and a troublemaker. Juan Marichal was EXCELLENT but there are many that only "remember" that he hit a catcher with a bat. Lets not forget the 4 biggest "hot doggies" that ever played the game: Pedro Borbon, Joaquin Andujar, George Bell and Jose Mesa (not to mention many others).
There are some "classy" acts like Ricardo Carty and Cesar Geronimo and a very few more.
Granted, some latinos players DO showboat when they hit a homer but I believe that Barry Bonds and Ken Griffey, Jr are not latinos. It seems that Bonds needs to see the ball get out of the ballpark in order for him to start running. Many players are doing it but with all honesty, much more latinos are guilty of such "low class" act. Nobody can have the passion of Pete Rose and, for sure, nobody can be as classy as Joe Dimaggio. Different eras, same game!!
Manuel and Alex are totally different, Manny cares only about his numbers and himself, Alex cares about him, his teamates and his ballclub on and off the field. Which one sells more tickets?, no question, Alex because he is just a fan favorite and because the way he is (and it helps alot that the man can carry a inteligent conversation). I can care less that Manny is dominican. I am a baseball fan and just because he is dominican does not mean that I HAVE to root for him. I rather root for John Olerud (a nice guy). Great ball player but could be much better accepted by his peers and fans if he would just lose THAT attitude.thick_neck said:
There is a reason why many hispanic ball players are not called "classy". We can go back to the days of the Alou brother(Felipe, Mateo and Jesus), "Marty" and Felipe were, somewhat, classy but Jesus was a "hot dog" and a troublemaker. Juan Marichal was EXCELLENT but there are many that only "remember" that he hit a catcher with a bat. Lets not forget the 4 biggest "hot doggies" that ever played the game: Pedro Borbon, Joaquin Andujar, George Bell and Jose Mesa (not to mention many others).
There are some "classy" acts like Ricardo Carty and Cesar Geronimo and a very few more.
Granted, some latinos players DO showboat when they hit a homer but I believe that Barry Bonds and Ken Griffey, Jr are not latinos. It seems that Bonds needs to see the ball get out of the ballpark in order for him to start running. Many players are doing it but with all honesty, much more latinos are guilty of such "low class" act. Nobody can have the passion of Pete Rose and, for sure, nobody can be as classy as Joe Dimaggio. Different eras, same game!!