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What nonsense!
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False claims about California abortion-related bill spread thousands of times on social media
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Disinformation about California’s AB 2223 has gone viral online. (Gregory Bull / Associated Press)
BY JUSTIN RAYSTAFF WRITER
MAY 5, 2022 6:30 AM PT
Good morning, and welcome to the Essential California newsletter. It’s Thursday, May 5. I’m Justin Ray.
As The Times has reported, California intends to become a haven for those seeking reproductive health care in America if the U.S. Supreme Court’s leaked draft opinion overturning Roe vs. Wade becomes the law of the land. This may make the state a target, as it has been in the past for its progressive laws on immigration, the environment and other policy areas.
One way that people can attack the state is through misinformation and disinformation. A misinterpretation of a California bill has already gone viral online.
The misinformation appears to have originated from multiple questionable websites that published stories claiming that California bill AB 2223 legalizes infanticide. One site said it would “legalize the murder of children up to nine months gestation and in the week(s) after birth.”
The false claims have been posted and reshared thousands of times on Twitter with language such as, “California introduces bill to legalize infanticide before and after birth”; “Killing babies up to 28 days old!”; and “An abortion bill that will essentially legalize a form of infanticide.” (When asked for a response to the tweets, Twitter said the posts were “not found to be in violation of the Twitter Rules,” adding that “our misinformation policies apply to COVID-19, civic integrity and synthetic and manipulated media.”)
What does the bill actually do?
The bill, which you can read here, removes the requirement that a coroner has to investigate “deaths related to or following known or suspected self-induced or criminal abortion.” The bill prohibits using a coroner’s statements on the certificate of fetal death “to establish, bring, or support a criminal prosecution or civil cause of damages against any person.”
“Basically the whole point is we want to make sure that if you do experience a miscarriage, if you experience a stillbirth, if you experience a self-induced abortion, you have a self-induced abortion, that you are not criminally prosecuted for that,” said Assemblywoman Buffy Wicks, the Democrat representing the East Bay and one of the bill’s sponsors. But it still allows authorities “to be able to investigate the facts of a newborn child’s death, including whether the child was born living and when and how the child died.”
She brought up two recent cases in the state that prompted the bill: Chelsea Becker, a Central Valley woman who was charged with murder after delivering a stillborn baby who tested positive for methamphetamine (a judge dismissed the charge last May); and Adora Perez, who was sentenced to 11 years in prison for “manslaughter of a fetus.” (The sentence was overturned in March.)
“Those are the types of things we’re trying to stop, especially when we now live in an era of ‘Handmaid’s Tale’ where, who knows what’s happening?” Wicks said. “You look at the examples of Chelsea and Adora in California in the year 2022. We actually do have to put in statutes to ensure that women are protected in these circumstances.”
The section that appears to have caused controversy states, “Notwithstanding any other law, a person shall not be subject to civil or criminal liability or penalty, or otherwise deprived of their rights, based on their actions or omissions with respect to their pregnancy or actual, potential, or alleged pregnancy outcome, including miscarriage, stillbirth, or abortion, or perinatal death.”
The word “perinatal” seems to have sparked the misinformation. The section was amended on April 6 to read “perinatal death due to a pregnancy-related cause.” Wicks says, “Anti-abortion activists are peddling an absurd and disingenuous argument that this bill is about killing newborns, when ironically, the part of the bill they’re pointing to is about protecting and supporting parents experiencing the grief of pregnancy loss.”
Wicks says this legislation is one of the ways the state is preparing to help women in America access reproductive care.
“What we will not do in California is sit back while the rest of the nation is experiencing what they’re experiencing,” Wicks said. “What we’re going to do is make sure that we’re ready for the 1.4 million women that we expect to come to California.”
False claims about California abortion-related bill spread thousands of times on social media
Social media users have made false claims about a California bill about reproductive health.
www.latimes.com
CALIFORNIA
False claims about California abortion-related bill spread thousands of times on social media
The Twitter logo on a digital device
Disinformation about California’s AB 2223 has gone viral online. (Gregory Bull / Associated Press)
BY JUSTIN RAYSTAFF WRITER
MAY 5, 2022 6:30 AM PT
Good morning, and welcome to the Essential California newsletter. It’s Thursday, May 5. I’m Justin Ray.
As The Times has reported, California intends to become a haven for those seeking reproductive health care in America if the U.S. Supreme Court’s leaked draft opinion overturning Roe vs. Wade becomes the law of the land. This may make the state a target, as it has been in the past for its progressive laws on immigration, the environment and other policy areas.
One way that people can attack the state is through misinformation and disinformation. A misinterpretation of a California bill has already gone viral online.
The misinformation appears to have originated from multiple questionable websites that published stories claiming that California bill AB 2223 legalizes infanticide. One site said it would “legalize the murder of children up to nine months gestation and in the week(s) after birth.”
The false claims have been posted and reshared thousands of times on Twitter with language such as, “California introduces bill to legalize infanticide before and after birth”; “Killing babies up to 28 days old!”; and “An abortion bill that will essentially legalize a form of infanticide.” (When asked for a response to the tweets, Twitter said the posts were “not found to be in violation of the Twitter Rules,” adding that “our misinformation policies apply to COVID-19, civic integrity and synthetic and manipulated media.”)
What does the bill actually do?
The bill, which you can read here, removes the requirement that a coroner has to investigate “deaths related to or following known or suspected self-induced or criminal abortion.” The bill prohibits using a coroner’s statements on the certificate of fetal death “to establish, bring, or support a criminal prosecution or civil cause of damages against any person.”
“Basically the whole point is we want to make sure that if you do experience a miscarriage, if you experience a stillbirth, if you experience a self-induced abortion, you have a self-induced abortion, that you are not criminally prosecuted for that,” said Assemblywoman Buffy Wicks, the Democrat representing the East Bay and one of the bill’s sponsors. But it still allows authorities “to be able to investigate the facts of a newborn child’s death, including whether the child was born living and when and how the child died.”
She brought up two recent cases in the state that prompted the bill: Chelsea Becker, a Central Valley woman who was charged with murder after delivering a stillborn baby who tested positive for methamphetamine (a judge dismissed the charge last May); and Adora Perez, who was sentenced to 11 years in prison for “manslaughter of a fetus.” (The sentence was overturned in March.)
“Those are the types of things we’re trying to stop, especially when we now live in an era of ‘Handmaid’s Tale’ where, who knows what’s happening?” Wicks said. “You look at the examples of Chelsea and Adora in California in the year 2022. We actually do have to put in statutes to ensure that women are protected in these circumstances.”
The section that appears to have caused controversy states, “Notwithstanding any other law, a person shall not be subject to civil or criminal liability or penalty, or otherwise deprived of their rights, based on their actions or omissions with respect to their pregnancy or actual, potential, or alleged pregnancy outcome, including miscarriage, stillbirth, or abortion, or perinatal death.”
The word “perinatal” seems to have sparked the misinformation. The section was amended on April 6 to read “perinatal death due to a pregnancy-related cause.” Wicks says, “Anti-abortion activists are peddling an absurd and disingenuous argument that this bill is about killing newborns, when ironically, the part of the bill they’re pointing to is about protecting and supporting parents experiencing the grief of pregnancy loss.”
Wicks says this legislation is one of the ways the state is preparing to help women in America access reproductive care.
“What we will not do in California is sit back while the rest of the nation is experiencing what they’re experiencing,” Wicks said. “What we’re going to do is make sure that we’re ready for the 1.4 million women that we expect to come to California.”
As promised in Post#9, see you in a month.What nonsense!
False claims about California abortion-related bill spread thousands of times on social media
Social media users have made false claims about a California bill about reproductive health.
CALIFORNIA
False claims about California abortion-related bill spread thousands of times on social media
The Twitter logo on a digital device
Disinformation about California’s AB 2223 has gone viral online. (Gregory Bull / Associated Press)
BY JUSTIN RAYSTAFF WRITER
MAY 5, 2022 6:30 AM PT
Good morning, and welcome to the Essential California newsletter. It’s Thursday, May 5. I’m Justin Ray.
As The Times has reported, California intends to become a haven for those seeking reproductive health care in America if the U.S. Supreme Court’s leaked draft opinion overturning Roe vs. Wade becomes the law of the land. This may make the state a target, as it has been in the past for its progressive laws on immigration, the environment and other policy areas.
One way that people can attack the state is through misinformation and disinformation. A misinterpretation of a California bill has already gone viral online.
The misinformation appears to have originated from multiple questionable websites that published stories claiming that California bill AB 2223 legalizes infanticide. One site said it would “legalize the murder of children up to nine months gestation and in the week(s) after birth.”
The false claims have been posted and reshared thousands of times on Twitter with language such as, “California introduces bill to legalize infanticide before and after birth”; “Killing babies up to 28 days old!”; and “An abortion bill that will essentially legalize a form of infanticide.” (When asked for a response to the tweets, Twitter said the posts were “not found to be in violation of the Twitter Rules,” adding that “our misinformation policies apply to COVID-19, civic integrity and synthetic and manipulated media.”)
What does the bill actually do?
The bill, which you can read here, removes the requirement that a coroner has to investigate “deaths related to or following known or suspected self-induced or criminal abortion.” The bill prohibits using a coroner’s statements on the certificate of fetal death “to establish, bring, or support a criminal prosecution or civil cause of damages against any person.”
“Basically the whole point is we want to make sure that if you do experience a miscarriage, if you experience a stillbirth, if you experience a self-induced abortion, you have a self-induced abortion, that you are not criminally prosecuted for that,” said Assemblywoman Buffy Wicks, the Democrat representing the East Bay and one of the bill’s sponsors. But it still allows authorities “to be able to investigate the facts of a newborn child’s death, including whether the child was born living and when and how the child died.”
She brought up two recent cases in the state that prompted the bill: Chelsea Becker, a Central Valley woman who was charged with murder after delivering a stillborn baby who tested positive for methamphetamine (a judge dismissed the charge last May); and Adora Perez, who was sentenced to 11 years in prison for “manslaughter of a fetus.” (The sentence was overturned in March.)
“Those are the types of things we’re trying to stop, especially when we now live in an era of ‘Handmaid’s Tale’ where, who knows what’s happening?” Wicks said. “You look at the examples of Chelsea and Adora in California in the year 2022. We actually do have to put in statutes to ensure that women are protected in these circumstances.”
The section that appears to have caused controversy states, “Notwithstanding any other law, a person shall not be subject to civil or criminal liability or penalty, or otherwise deprived of their rights, based on their actions or omissions with respect to their pregnancy or actual, potential, or alleged pregnancy outcome, including miscarriage, stillbirth, or abortion, or perinatal death.”
The word “perinatal” seems to have sparked the misinformation. The section was amended on April 6 to read “perinatal death due to a pregnancy-related cause.” Wicks says, “Anti-abortion activists are peddling an absurd and disingenuous argument that this bill is about killing newborns, when ironically, the part of the bill they’re pointing to is about protecting and supporting parents experiencing the grief of pregnancy loss.”
Wicks says this legislation is one of the ways the state is preparing to help women in America access reproductive care.
“What we will not do in California is sit back while the rest of the nation is experiencing what they’re experiencing,” Wicks said. “What we’re going to do is make sure that we’re ready for the 1.4 million women that we expect to come to California.”
Remember, topic is ABORTION RIGHTS IN ***DR***
..."Until October 2012, women could come forward for treatment without fear of being arrested.[3] Dr. Milton Cordero has been working since 1980 in the Republic's public hospitals, treating women who have abortions; he estimates that there are 90,000 illegal abortions per year. These illegal abortions are self-induced or done by a back-alley practitioner. Since the law was passed, abortion has risen to the third leading cause of maternal death in the country.[4][5]"...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_Dominican_Republic
If that indeed is the case, I would hope they change the law to hold the doctors liable, not the women. That's horrible to hold a scared woman liable for that.
The article is about illegal abortions performed by people not trained to do the procedures and the resulting increase in female deaths. It’s not about doctors performing abortions. Women are dying needlessly because of a lack of access to proper abortion procedures.
I understand that. What I am advocating for is not holding the women liable. They should hold the doctors liable for the illegal abortions.
No. You don’t understand. The doctors in the DR are not performing illegal abortions. Untrained people are performing back street abortions and women are self inducing their abortions. An average of 90,000 botched abortions annually resulting in an increase in the number of female deaths annually.
You can’t hold physicians legally responsible if they are abiding by the government laws. The government is responsible for the increase in female deaths due to botched abortions. Women turn to these desperate measures and risk their lives because of a lack of access to legal medical abortions.
Yeah. Sure.
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."
Then hold those untrained people accountable.
You do realize we are talking about Dominicans, right?
Got a quote of you own. Read the whole series, still own it. Lord of the Rings is entertainment, Rand's book are philosophical in nature. You should like Rand, she has a better command of the English language than most native speakers, by far.
The police can barely enforce traffic and criminal laws in the country. It’s unrealistic to think they will spend the resources to pursue and charge back street abortionists. The problem is self perpetuating. Many pregnant women with no access to legal abortion will continue to resort to life threatening desperate means to end their pregnancies. Back room abortionists will always be there to meet the demand.
Yes but apparently not as much as they should as 'Maternidad de Los Mina' is chuck full of birthing people (I don't want to offend pregnant men) couple that with the 90k abortions mentioned in an article referenced in this thread and clearly more of 1 & 2 of my previous post must be practiced and much less illegal boutique birth control.
Abortion is like everything in life, a choice. In some cases a difficult but illegal choice here in DR that has consequences of which one is the death penalty of an unsuspecting life and on occasion the death by choice of the pregnant person. Make no mistake what we are discussing here is death with no joyous outcome at least for the one given the death penalty in violation of Article 37 of the Dominican constitution which clearly states:
There are only a handful of countries that allow unrestricted abortion, even though some here have claimed it to be unfettered in Europe - they were wrong.
The countries are Canada, North Korea, China and certain states in the US (Alaska, Colorado, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont an DC).
So it seems the first trimester is the most accepted norm and I would think if a law were ever passed in DR it would come with such restrictions.
This allows a woman alone, or her & mate (or paramour) to decide early. 3 months should be time to decide which path to take.
After that it seems most countries agree, at least by regulation, it is infanticide.
Are murders in DR which also takes the life of a pregnant woman's child prosecuted as double homicide ?
The countries are Canada, North Korea, China and certain states in the US (Alaska, Colorado, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Vermont an DC).
So it seems the first trimester is the most accepted norm and I would think if a law were ever passed in DR it would come with such restrictions.
This allows a woman alone, or her & mate (or paramour) to decide early. 3 months should be time to decide which path to take.
After that it seems most countries agree, at least by regulation, it is infanticide.
Are murders in DR which also takes the life of a pregnant woman's child prosecuted as double homicide ?
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