Airplane Crash Near Las Américas

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NALs said:
Btw, this the first commercial flight crash in the DR in about 30 years (could be longer or ever for a private commercial airplane), which is a good track record.
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FYI… As Gertrude Stein might have said a crash is a crash is a crash. I did not think your Btw was necessary to put some prettiness on this tragedy.
 
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Did I forgot to mention that the airplane arrived with problems an hour or two before it departed? What isn't determined is if the problems started in flight to the DR or was already present in the United States, which is from where the flight originated. That airplane havd have a DR code in its identity number, it had one from the USA. As far as I know, all Helidosa airplanes and helicopters start with the DR code.
 
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cavok said:
Very true. Two main issues are mentioned in the video - failure to follow mandatory duty and rest times, lax maintenance by the company, and failure to adequately monitor and enforce those by the civil aviation authorities here.

Landing at the nearest airport with malfunctioning flight controls is not always the best option. There have been many accidents where aircraft with flight control problems have made it to the airport only to crash on landing because you're not always going to be able to control it with the slower speeds required for landing. The United DC-10 that crashed in Sioux City years ago is a good example. There most likely were other small airports before that, however, without the emergency services available, many more people, if not all, would probably have died. The pilots were not able to control the aircraft at the slower speeds need for landing.

My take is that the reports we're hearing are an attempt to deflect blame to the tower controllers instead of where it really belongs - on the company and the civil aviation authorities. Consider who it is that owns this company.
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That Sioux City DC10 was five miles high when the shit hit the fan so they had some glide time to work with. It also gave them some time to slow the plane down to around 200 MPH without hydraulics. Which at the time they were crediting with saving a lot of lives. The pilots in last weeks crash probably didn't have the luxury of slowing the plane down after pushing it out to Las Americas at a few hundred feet. That flight track looks like they had to make a hard left to line it up with the runway once they got there. They were probably on a diagonal track with the runway when they landed.
 
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wuarhat said:
That Sioux City DC10 was five miles high when the shit hit the fan so they had some glide time to work with. It also gave them some time to slow the plane down to around 200 MPH without hydraulics. Which at the time they were crediting with saving a lot of lives. The pilots in last weeks crash probably didn't have the luxury of slowing the plane down after pushing it out to Las Americas at a few hundred feet. That flight track looks like they had to make a hard left to line it up with the runway once they got there. They were probably on a diagonal track with the runway when they landed.
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Yes, about 45 minutes flight time. The spot where the Gulfstream circled was almost 20 miles away. They could have slowed down if they wanted to, but there could be a good reason why they didn't.

Looks like a diagonal track to me, too, and they were on a very close-in base leg. I think they were having flight control problems. They might not have had enough control to turn and line up with the runway.
 
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There was a group of Gulfstar people at the Hampton last night. I was at the table next to theirs and I heard them talking about a large fluid leak one of their people found, I think in the wing. I don't think they were sure if it was fuel or hydraulic.
 
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I imagine the passengers knew they weren't going to make the runway in their final minute.
Knowing your death is near is a wake up call but most of us will have more time than this.
My 66-year old neighbor died last week. I spoke to her while she was working in her yard and we walked past with the dogs.
If I had only known.
 
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cavok said:
Yes, about 45 minutes flight time. The spot where the Gulfstream circled was almost 20 miles away. They could have slowed down if they wanted to, but there could be a good reason why they didn't.

Looks like a diagonal track to me, too, and they were on a very close-in base leg. I think they were having flight control problems. They might not have had enough control to turn and line up with the runway.
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That's my guess too. Lost most of the flight control functions, they were trying to maneuver using the engines. The length of that path cut through the brush makes me think they were coming in really hot trying to control the aircraft until the last second.
 
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The guy playing the background piano music drives me nuts.
 
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cavok said:
Very good commentary and explanation by the general.
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Very much agreed... I liked how he spoke... The three commenters sounded like a bad behaving elementary class, each one speaking on top of each other.... When they started speaking, the general simply stayed quiet... My full respect to him!
 
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