anyone have recent well pump experience

jrhartley

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need a submersable pump the water is 30 meters down a hole and is to be pumped to a large underground tank up a slight incline (not direct to the house)- any ideas about the size of pump needed, makes, cost etc would be interesting to know
 

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~This one will work wonders, however you still need an installer...this one runs about $520.00US...Meyers Submersible Well Pump 20 GPM 1.5 HP 230V with Control Box....make sure the tank can handle the pressure as well as the lines....I have seen people get higher HP pumps that the older pipes cannot handle and they blow all the pipes in the house....I know your going to a tank, but better to be safe then sorry....
 

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i dont need a control box I dont think, just a switch as i will just be pumping every few days I think
 

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~Is your holding tank pressurized? or will you just be filling it on demand as need and not pressure regulated??
 

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no not pressure regulated, there is already another pump to pump water to the house
 

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JR, is there some special reason that you specifically need a submersible type of pump? As you probably know, they are more expensive than regular water pumps plus you have to make sure that you access tube has no obstructions, etc. I would imagine that a Red Jacket type of pump with a check valve on the intake tube would work fine. You may have to investigate at Ochoa for example, as to what horsepower they would recommend given the distances and tube sizes.
 

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That may very well be, but I have seen irrigation type of systems pumping from a well with a surface pump, of course I don't know from what depth. I just checked quickly on amazon.com and they listed a 1/2 hp model that says it will pump from 90 feet (Amazon.com: Wayne Deep Well Jet Pump - 310 GPH, 1/2 HP, 1 1/4in., Model# JCU50: Home Improvement), so maybe a larger one would work in your application? Usually the guys at the plumbing dept of Ochoa are pretty knowledgeable, maybe worth asking. I will ask around tomorrow at work to see if anybody has any ideas about this as well.
 

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No surface pump exsists that that can pull water from below 33 feet it is an impossibility. (general depth limit is considered to be between 25 -29 feet but other facters may weigh in such as atmospheric pressure at the site amoungst others, temprature, specific water density etc..)

Now to push water up, you can to the moon with enough HP's!

To figure out what size submersible pump you will need you need to supply the following information:

1. Well Depth From the Surface?
2. Well Casing Diameter?
3. Amount of Water you want to pump per minute/hour or day?
4. Actuall Well effeciency, is a combination of casing diameter, casing depth and column replenishment.
5. Distance vertically between the well head to the tank you want to fill and if it a considerable distance that would need to be know.
6. If you are going to use piping that is all ready installed, its size and type needs to be known as well, other wise pipe size will be dictated by all the answers to the previous questions.

g'luck
 
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ssarkas

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deeper you go the slower they pump. surface pump very slow for 20ft or more.check northern tool website to learn more
 

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No surface pump exsists that that can pull water from below 33 feet it is an impossibility. (general depth limit is considered to be between 25 -29 feet but other facters may weigh in such as atmospheric pressure at the site amoungst others, temprature, specific water density etc..)
You are assuming that they don't have any way to keep the pump primed. As far as not having enough power to do that's balderdash. :)

To the OP: I recommend contacting Ochoa to see if they can do quick calcs and recommend a pump or you can contact Hillybilly as I believe his sons have a pump company.
 

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Well Chip

I am not assuming anything, you sir are assuming that I do not know what I state.....It Sir is an irrefutable Fact, it is IMPOSSIBLE to pump (pull) water up from 33 feet or below on the planet earth under natural atmospheric conditions. At about 25 feet or below there is a serious decrease in return or flow achieved for the efforts exerted to rise the water to the surface.

ANYBODY that states differently does not know what they are talking about.

But you can push water as high and as far as one wants only limited by available H.P.

Why in earth do you think submersible well pumps were developed?????

Why do you think Hand Well Pumps for use below 20 feet use a sucker rod?

The elusive answer is to push the water up because it is impossible to pull it up via suction below 33', as stated before the general limit is considered to be 25 - 29 feet, at 25 feet the difficulties begin to increase.

If you try to pull on water in a well through a tube or pipe that is at 33 feet, the water will not, will not rise to the top, it will however begin to bubble and toil and laugh at your foolish efforts.

g'luck

never assume, try learning something..........
 

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the water is 98 ft - 30 meters , so a little over 33 ft lol, strange that people higher up the hill dont have to drill as far
 

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JR, ok so 98 ft is to the top of the water? Do you have any idea how far down into the water you would need to draw the water from(ie does the well have a high flow rate to fill it)? Also, what is the approximate diameter of the well? I am heading off to work now and will ask some of the engineers there what they think.
 

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Well Chip

I am not assuming anything, you sir are assuming that I do not know what I state.....It Sir is an irrefutable Fact, it is IMPOSSIBLE to pump (pull) water up from 33 feet or below on the planet earth under natural atmospheric conditions. At about 25 feet or below there is a serious decrease in return or flow achieved for the efforts exerted to rise the water to the surface.

ANYBODY that states differently does not know what they are talking about.

But you can push water as high and as far as one wants only limited by available H.P.

Why in earth do you think submersible well pumps were developed?????

Why do you think Hand Well Pumps for use below 20 feet use a sucker rod?

The elusive answer is to push the water up because it is impossible to pull it up via suction below 33', as stated before the general limit is considered to be 25 - 29 feet, at 25 feet the difficulties begin to increase.

If you try to pull on water in a well through a tube or pipe that is at 33 feet, the water will not, will not rise to the top, it will however begin to bubble and toil and laugh at your foolish efforts.

g'luck

never assume, try learning something..........
You are right.
 

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Ok JR, from what I was able to find out today, you basically have two options, one the submersible pump that you mentioned or a surface mounted centrifugal jet pump. The jet pump is a centrifugal type of pump that also has a jet injector down in the water in the well to push the water to the surface. Here is a good website description:

Jet Pumps ? Part 1 - Columns - National Driller

So during lunch I stopped by the big Ochoa on Imbert to see what they had. They have a submersible pump and motor for a combined price of $22,463.53 RD before discount. That is a DAB pump, rated at 15-61 gpm, 220-50ft depth, coupled with a 2 hp Telsa motor.

Fortunately, they also had a Pedrollo .85 hp centrifugal jet pump for deep wells for $11,996.83 before discount. The guy checked the chart for the pump and it did indicate that it would pump from 30 meters, not with a lot of force, but probably suitable in your case to fill the cistern. Here is a photo of the Pedrollo with the associated jet:



Both setups use 220v.
 

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~JR have a read below this may help you......and the 7 inches is pushin it....lol


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