Are Dominicans "Latino" or "Hispanic"?

[Criss Colon]

To:"India",and DR_"Offender"!

I used "Indie" becaause you are the one that said that most DOMINICANS are not "Black".Well,most Dominicans don't consider themselves "Black",THAT IS TRUE! Even Pena Gomes,and"Corporan" think that they are "Indios"!Besides,I am notthe one who thought up all the "Degrees" of color that Dominicans use to describe themselves,and eachother!! It was the Dominicans!You even call yourself "Indie"!
Pesonally I don't care,I like having sex with women of all colors!You might call me ,"An Equal Opportunit ****er!

Now on to "Offender",who wants to know where my grandparent,parents,and I were born.

I have NO PROBLEM with that! Although I feel it really has no bearing on this thred.

I am a "WASP"!....."Wonderbread"!, a "Marshmallow",almost "Albino,"Gringo,born In the "Heartland" of America,Streator,Illinois! The "favorite town of "Golo"!,as were my parents! My grandparents came fron "Jolly Olde England"!,and from Amsterdam.So as you can see,there "WAS" no "Black Behind The Ears" in my Family Tree"!!! Until now that is!!! I now have two children,and one more due in about 3 weeks,who DO have "Black" behind their ears! Not to mention my Dominican wife,who is "Black" all over!!!! Except for her palms,and the soles of her feet! What is THAT all about???

That "grinding sound" you hear is my grandparents rolling over in their graves!!!

By the way,where are you "Offending" the DR from,I know that "Indie" fights for a better Dominican Republic from Florida!!!!!

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[Jwb]

What's in a name

Shame, Shame Shame........:tired:

It seems that every couple of months we revisit this ever revolving thread questioning what does it mean do be a dominican, or in this case are Dominicans Latinos or Hispanics. Forgive me for lecturing... people, but instead of being concerned with what you are, why not concentrate your efforts on celebrating who you are.

Ecologically speaking , the DR is one most beautiful places on this earth.

Dominicanas are known to be one the most sexiest breed of women alive.

The DR is one of the few places on this planet were you dont have to worry about "Big brother" constantly looking over your shoulders.

This topic reminds of the old Abott and Castello routine of who's on first? and what's on second.

I think we should we end this thread and return to the more important subjects like, how many muchachas has AZB been with during his tenure in Santiago.:classic:

 

[Forbeca]

how about you? your ancestry? also wondering [/

Grandfather Italian, born in Argentina. Grandmother Argentinian. My mom was born there. Lebanese father born in the DR. Is it any wonder I'm so confused? Where do I fit in as a dominican? and don't anyone dare say I'm not, cause I am

 

[mondongo]

Personally speaking, no offense to the High Society white females in the crowd....its those gorgeous dark/tan skinned women who give ghe DR its well deserved reputation... if I want a "no black behind the ears" white woman, I certainly would not go to the DR to get one......Indie, I think we all would love to see your picture in the media gallery.

 

[Tony C]

TONY you are so lost kid! LATINOS are those that speak the languajes derivated from (LATIN).

So your saying that if you speak Spanish, Portuguese, Italian or French(among other languages) you are latin?
So if a Chinese woman has a baby with an Eskimo for a father and raise it speaking Spanish in Italy the kid is a Latin? I don't think so!

oh no and you were growing on me lol!

Kind of like Cancer huh?

 

[Forbeca]

very well said...

Personally speaking, no offense to the High Society white females in the crowd....its those gorgeous dark/tan skinned women who give ghe DR its well deserved reputation.

I agree, dark/tan skin is very attractive.

 

[AZB]

I have seen some girls from san jose de las matas and it seems they are 110% white, not a single drop of black blood. It seems they were the pure spaniard race well hidden in the mountians. These girls were from campo of san jose de las matas and seem european.
Now I have seen a white dominican male married to a black dominican female and the kids came out almost 100% white. I have a girlfriend from Juan lopez (moca) who looks german with green /blue eyes. Yet her mom is black and father is white. So the black genes are not all that dominant at all times.
I personally prefer women with darker shade of tan with straight dark hair down to their waistline. Slim with curves and long legs. I saw just that type with a chopo last night in ahi-bar. I was hoping the earthquake would cause the huge hanging plant pot to fall on her chopo boyfriends head and knock him out so I could be her savior and win her for myself. Too bad miracles don't happen as often as you would like them to occur.

 

[TCIDR]

what a color/shade conscious place! hehe

It seem everyone there is so caught up in not wanting to be anything near to black that color or the residue of this conversation is in constant effective.

There is alot of people who can care less about color...as a matter of fact a lot of people are trying to get away from this being politically incorrect ofcourse, but that is the effort they are putting up with to discipline themselves away from the subject of color. It seem there need to be more interaction between the shade to have a better understanding of individual rather than ethnicity, nationalities or race.

People have their preferences and if their preference is in conflict with their denial then so let it be eh.

I knew a girl whom alway thought she was white until she was not accepted as white by other whites. She looked white and but her parents weren't....I guess that was a big disappointment for her.

There is not need to be disappointed if you are not white. So many people want to be white/Close to white. Just be who you are without the color consciousness.....because you wouldn't be able to be who you are if you want to be somebody else.


My take


tcidr

 

[TCIDR]

The dominican girls are very beautiful

Its no doubt that the average Dom Rep girls are beautiful. Nice Slim bodies. But what girls alot of characteristic feature to the average girl is the mulato feature. Many places you go in the Caribbean and in the Americas you see white and you see black ( but you don't see those mulato like figures many places....hehe)

Anywhere you go where there a not to many fat women you'd like it eh...hehe

 

[carlos]

how about you? your ancestry? also wondering [/

Grandfather Italian, born in Argentina. Grandmother Argentinian. My mom was born there. Lebanese father born in the DR. Is it any wonder I'm so confused? Where do I fit in as a dominican? and don't anyone dare say I'm not, cause I am

funny

you can be as Dominican as you want to be

 

[bob saunders]

who cares

I asked my wife which she prefered and she rep[lied "who cares" and that just about sumes it up. Most Dominicans I've talked to, regardless of colour, think of themselves as latinos.

 

[Chirimoya]

Great thread, pasha!

I take it we are examining the terms for defining people of Latin American origin in the US? Neither Hispanic nor Latino works as a definition if you are a purist. As some have pointed out, Latino implies all people of Latin nations which extends to Europe, as far east as Romania. But Dominicans (or Cubans for that matter, Tony C) would have as little in common with a Transylvanian gypsy as they do with a Quechua Indian from Peru.

I could (and have) defined myself as 100% Latin because my ancestors on both sides came from Spain, and Spanish was the mother tongue - or at least a close second - of my grandparents and parents. But the truth is not as simple as that. Only one of my grandparents was Latin American, the other three were born in Europe and Africa. The plot thickens!

Hispanic as a definition is inadequate because it excludes non-Spanish speaking Latin Americans like the Brazilians. It all comes down to what people feel comfortable with.

Chiri

 

[AZB]

If we are only talking about dominicans then I like Golo's definition better: chopo, dominican york, middle class and upper class.

Dominicans are 80% chopos who elected our burro ass hippo. These same people will relelect him again even if they have to steal the elections. No wonder they are still poor.

The dominican york are also chopos in a good number (not all) they keep our carwashes in business and help open up new cabanas turisticas which also feeds in to hooker industry.
Middle class dominicans work hard to keep this country afloat and the upper class is there to remind us that Dominicans are not all haitian mix but some dominicans can be white as well.

TCIDR, not all people want to be as close to white as they can but most people simply want straight hair and less notable african features. To be considered white in DR, you only need to have fair skin (even tanned) but you must have straight hair and non african facial features. I am from pakistan and tanned but I have straight hair so I am not considered a moreno. Get it? No one wants to be red lobster white, everyone wants a rich smooth clean skin (fair complexion, not red or transparent) and straight hair.

Dominicans spend hours in beauty salon to have their hair ironed straight and for that reason no one wants to get wet in rain. That is when your true testure becomes apparent (curly hair afterwards). Most dominicans don't want to associate themselves with blacks because the majority of blacks are either chopos or simply too poor and wouldn't be able to fit in to a decent crowd.

 

[ClippedWing]

This is a really interesting conversation. I think it depends on the person and each individual should decide what they want to be.

I have a friend Diana who looks like a white girl she was born in the states but her parents are Argentinan, I asked her what she considers herself and she said "hispanic" I never would have guessed she would say that. I thought she would have said white but hey whatever floats her boat.

I'm black and I absolutely, positively hate the word African American- my skin itches whenever someone calls me that. That term trivializes the entire continent of Africa as if it's some monolithic entity. Where is it in Africa that my people are from? Oh that's right, no one can tell me because when my people were captured and brought to the US like animals, they were stripped of their rights, dignity, heritage, language, culture, religion and their history. At least Asian Americans, know if they're chinese, japenese, korean, etc, so I can see them accepting the title Asisan American because they know from whence they've come. But Blacks in America? We have no idea. I don't know if my people were from South AFrica, Sudan, Chad, Nigeria, Senegal, Egypt, Morroco, etc.. Oh but I'm supposed to accept the entire continent to define my race. Whatever.

The thing about the US you can be whatever you want to be. So as far as the word Hispanic or Latino goes, I say whatever floats your boat. Just like the term black or African American.. Hey whatever you want to be.. be it.

All I know is that I'm a Black American. I love being black and I love being an American.

Smooches...Clip

 

[ClippedWing]

TCIDR, not all people want to be as close to white as they can but most people simply want straight hair and less notable african features. To be considered white in DR, you only need to have fair skin (even tanned) but you must have straight hair and non african facial features. I am from pakistan and tanned but I have straight hair so I am not considered a moreno. Get it? No one wants to be red lobster white, everyone wants a rich smooth clean skin (fair complexion, not red or transparent) and straight hair.

Dominicans spend hours in beauty salon to have their hair ironed straight and for that reason no one wants to get wet in rain. That is when your true testure becomes apparent (curly hair afterwards).

Wow that's really sad that Dominicans try to straighten their hair to be closer to white. Is this a fact or another one of your ASSumptions? Could it be because it's easier to take care of straightened hair? I straighten my hair and trust me when I say it has nothing to do with trying to be white... Absolutely nothing.

If your theory is correct in that people change their physical attributes to be more like that of a particular race then White people tan, get collegen injected into their lips and get curly perms to become closer to blacks then right?

 

[bob saunders]

I'm black and I absolutely, positively hate the word African American- my skin itches whenever someone calls me that. That term trivializes the entire continent of Africa as if it's some monolithic entity. Where is it in Africa that my people are from? Oh that's right, no one can tell me because when my people were captured and brought to the US like animals, they were stripped of their rights, dignity, heritage, language, culture, religion and their history. At least Asian Americans, know if they're chinese, japenese, korean, etc, so I can see them accepting the title Asisan American because they know from whence they've come. But Blacks in America? We have no idea. I don't know if my people were from South AFrica, Sudan, Chad, Nigeria, Senegal, Egypt, Morroco, etc.. Oh but I'm supposed to accept the entire continent to define my race. Whatever.


Smooches...Clip

Yep, it was a terrible thing, that your fellow black african ancestors did ' selling your ancestors to white people"
My Dominican wife , with bad hair as she calls it, is amazed that anyone would want to curl their straight hair. Whatever the reason, Dominicans think of curly/kinky hair as "bad hair' And yes, here in Canada she is is defined as latino.

 

[AZB]

Clippedwings, you are black? Hahahaha. I had pictured you to be a bitchy fat miserable white woman who hadn't had sex in the last 6 months. So now I have this off my chest let me answer your question.

First of all, when you chat with a dominican female on line ex: latinchat.com. She always says she is "India" when in reality she is a morena. Its the same way when a woman says, I am "llenita" or full bodied, it really means she is a 300 pound pig.
Dominicans are mixed race and they exibit all types of facial features. I have seen truely white looking girls with all white features but they have the most kinkiest hair that even a 70's fro wouldn't match. Then you have girls who are totally black and I mean blacker than black but with indian fine features and straight hair. But then the majority of folks are mixed black with curly hair. These people and I mean all all girls would go to salon to have their hair straightened. They would never exhibit their curly hair to anyone except if they have big curls which looks sexy and manageable. Kinky hair is called "pelo malo" or bad hair in DR. No one is proud to have bad hair in DR they would take extreme measures to make their hair straight. The girls who have indian features or white features would always have their hair straightened out 24/7 in order to hide their kinkiness from the public. They wouldn't even admit to having bad hair and would never dive in a swimming pool with strangers around. These girls are a pain in the arse as they would not want to get into the beach and bathe with us. We use them to watch our stuff while we dip in the ocean. The whites (european / american) only want to look indian tan color. they don't want to look african. Most whites are racist behind closed doors but have been taught to be politically correct in public. The dominican white is a different specie: they have straight dark hair or they could be blonds as well. their skin is fair but without freckles or marks. These girls have smooth rich skin with slim bodies. They have brown eyes and bubbly butts which they proudly exibit.
Then you have the dominican morena (black) which is also a very exotic specie: these girls have slim curvy bodies with rich hairless skin and fine to 50% african features and often brown eyes with long curly hair (salon straighten). These girls are exotic beauties and white men go crazy after them. I have had a few girlfriends like them and believe me its not fun walking around with them as all the guys secretly pass them signals. This pisses me off.
So what was my original train of thought? As always I have lost my original point .

 

[samiam]

Re: Great thread, pasha!

I take it we are examining the terms for defining people of Latin American origin in the US? Neither Hispanic nor Latino works as a definition if you are a purist.........
.....Hispanic as a definition is inadequate because it excludes non-Spanish speaking Latin Americans like the Brazilians. It all comes down to what people feel comfortable with.

Chiri

Couldnt agree more! As I said before, now a days the term Latin is reserved exclusively for Third World Citizens from the Americas.
Put a Mexican, a Colombian, a Dominican and a Spaniard in a room. All 4 are white (caucasian for those keeping track of pedigree) or black (whatever color but all the same is what I mean), ask the latinos to step forward and the spaniard will not move a bone. The term latin has a more geographical meaning nowdays.

As for eastern europeans, they got their own mess to sort out with the different races that influence the slavics. I mean, if the only thing that a Rumanian (with a mix of mongol or russian blood)would have in common with a Guatemalan (with a mix of French and Maya blood) is the root of a romantic language, is that a strong enough bond to classify them under one group? Using latin to describe people from eastern europe, despite the fact we share the same latin root in our language is in our days more romanticism than anything else. But I could be wrong, I admit a certain indifference to whether some customs officers considers me latino, hispanic or euro trash.

To end my participation in discussion, why dont all of those who belong to the 'new' world be called Latin Americans, that would distinct them from their european counterparts. tadaaaa!
Deep though:
Further yet, why arent all, from the canucks to the patagonians, called americans?

 

[Chopical]

Latina is hot! Hispanica well not as hot as Latina. I like Latina more-sounds better.

 

[ClippedWing]

Yep, it was a terrible thing, that your fellow black african ancestors did ' selling your ancestors to white people"
My Dominican wife , with bad hair as she calls it, is amazed that anyone would want to curl their straight hair. Whatever the reason, Dominicans think of curly/kinky hair as "bad hair' And yes, here in Canada she is is defined as latino.

I feel sorry for your Dominican wife that she hasn't been able to embrace who she is refers to her hair as bad. That's really sad.

And as far as your comment goes and trying to flip the script that blacks are responsible for slavery, you should really educate yourself first on the history of slavery before you go shooting off your yap. You sound as if you lack knowledge about the origins of slavery. If you educate yourself you will find that EVERY ethnic group had slaves, and people traded slaves with each other all the time. The problems began when blacks began selling their own slaves and captives of war to WHITES and whites instituted a RACE BASED SLAVERY. If slavery in the US had not been the barbaric, inhuman, humiliting, racist experience it was... To this day, I don't think it would have been a major deal in our history books but because, The WHITES of that era chose to associate it with race and only enslaving blacks and treating them as animals-2/3 of a human being, that is what changed the history books Bob.

And their doings has trickled down to todays society- Hence your Dominican wife thinking kinky hair is bad. She had to be taught that, she did not come out of the womb thinking that. She would not have had that line of thinking pre the Mid Atlantic Slave trade because before then, black, kinky hair, wide noses was not considered an inferiour attribute. It just was what it was. Slave owners stripped Blacks in the new world of their heritage, dignity, religion, language, history and made them into inferior beings.. They did not not do it to themselves.

I will agree with you that yes, Some blacks sold blacks into slavery but that's where I stop. They did not create the horrible institution that slavery became in the New World.